Quote from: dror on 03/02/2017 06:12 pmQuote from: Rocket Science on 03/02/2017 06:02 pmPut Dragon under a fairing on FH and get two tests for the price of one...Quote from: Jim on 03/02/2017 03:26 amDragon in a fairing is not a good idea. Too much one off work would have to be doneThanks, I was playing "catch-up" and must have missed Jim's comment...
Quote from: Rocket Science on 03/02/2017 06:02 pmPut Dragon under a fairing on FH and get two tests for the price of one...Quote from: Jim on 03/02/2017 03:26 amDragon in a fairing is not a good idea. Too much one off work would have to be done
Put Dragon under a fairing on FH and get two tests for the price of one...
Dragon in a fairing is not a good idea. Too much one off work would have to be done
Quote from: Lee Jay on 03/02/2017 04:57 pmInterplanetary spacecraft and scientific exploration.Not tourism and colonization.The problem is that only governments and very affluent companies can fund true science without a commercial return.
Interplanetary spacecraft and scientific exploration.Not tourism and colonization.
Tourism can be funded by the public. Currently, it is limited to very affluent members of the public. This mission will fund progress toward Red Dragon and other scientific mission accelerating projects.
Since it is not government funded, it is not an either or proposition.
You should be cheering them on with a silly grin on your face.
Quote from: jcliving on 03/02/2017 06:54 pmQuote from: Lee Jay on 03/02/2017 04:57 pmInterplanetary spacecraft and scientific exploration.Not tourism and colonization.The problem is that only governments and very affluent companies can fund true science without a commercial return. Right. I'm disappointed that the government is not funding this.
Quote from: Lee Jay on 03/02/2017 07:10 pmQuote from: jcliving on 03/02/2017 06:54 pmQuote from: Lee Jay on 03/02/2017 04:57 pmInterplanetary spacecraft and scientific exploration.Not tourism and colonization.The problem is that only governments and very affluent companies can fund true science without a commercial return. Right. I'm disappointed that the government is not funding this.Can you clarify what "this" is?
"Having another customer for Dragon 2 besides CC is very important as a business."I agree. There is a place where tourists could go in the near future, called "LEO". There is probably enough LEO tourism market to support SpaceX for a long time to come.
Does anyone see any value in this tweet by @nasawatch:https://twitter.com/NASAWatch/status/836781408823742464Informed speculation as to who one of @ElonMusk's passengers *might* be on @SpaceX moon trip: investor Steve Jurvetson @dfjsteve
Quote from: as58 on 03/02/2017 07:18 pmQuote from: Lee Jay on 03/02/2017 07:10 pmRight. I'm disappointed that the government is not funding this.Can you clarify what "this" is?The next steps - all the steps that are between what we are doing now, and colonization of another planet. There's probably a century or more of that - if we try. And we aren't. And neither is SpaceX.
Quote from: Lee Jay on 03/02/2017 07:10 pmRight. I'm disappointed that the government is not funding this.Can you clarify what "this" is?
Right. I'm disappointed that the government is not funding this.
Quote from: manoweb on 03/02/2017 07:07 pmDoes anyone see any value in this tweet by @nasawatch:https://twitter.com/NASAWatch/status/836781408823742464Informed speculation as to who one of @ElonMusk's passengers *might* be on @SpaceX moon trip: investor Steve Jurvetson @dfjstevePretty good resume for some joy seeking tourist without a clue.
Jurvetson, a board member of both SpaceX and Tesla, talked about why he invested in Musk's companies when the entrepreneur was out of money and the rest of the world thought Musk was crazy.The answer: Jurvetson wants to fly to the moon.
Quote from: Lee Jay on 03/02/2017 07:20 pmQuote from: as58 on 03/02/2017 07:18 pmQuote from: Lee Jay on 03/02/2017 07:10 pmRight. I'm disappointed that the government is not funding this.Can you clarify what "this" is?The next steps - all the steps that are between what we are doing now, and colonization of another planet. There's probably a century or more of that - if we try. And we aren't. And neither is SpaceX.Uh-huh. I'm glad you can speak so authoritatively on their steps. So it all boils down to dismissing other ideas just because they don't follow your master plan? Of course their colonization plan is wildly optimistic and ambitious. But... even if it fails, we will learn a lot.
Lots of "steps" will be explored. And without any tax dollars being spent on it (so far), that's a good return on investment for humanity no matter the outcome. If it is a failure, the pieces of that failure will be a leap forward that would otherwise not have happened.Try seeing the glass as half full instead. ITS and New Glenn would allow someone to build that slightly movable research space station of yours in years/months instead of decades.
Quote from: as58 on 03/02/2017 07:18 pmQuote from: Lee Jay on 03/02/2017 07:10 pmQuote from: jcliving on 03/02/2017 06:54 pmQuote from: Lee Jay on 03/02/2017 04:57 pmInterplanetary spacecraft and scientific exploration.Not tourism and colonization.The problem is that only governments and very affluent companies can fund true science without a commercial return. Right. I'm disappointed that the government is not funding this.Can you clarify what "this" is?The next steps - all the steps that are between what we are doing now, and colonization of another planet. There's probably a century or more of that - if we try. And we aren't. And neither is SpaceX.
Uh-huh. I'm glad you can speak so authoritatively on their steps. So it all boils down to dismissing other ideas just because they don't follow your master plan? Of course their colonization plan is wildly optimistic and ambitious. But... even if it fails, we will learn a lot. Lots of "steps" will be explored. And without any tax dollars being spent on it (so far), that's a good return on investment for humanity no matter the outcome. If it is a failure, the pieces of that failure will be a leap forward that would otherwise not have happened.Try seeing the glass as half full instead. ITS and New Glenn would allow someone to build that slightly movable research space station of yours in years/months instead of decades.
Quote from: Lars-J on 03/02/2017 07:37 pmQuote from: Lee Jay on 03/02/2017 07:20 pmQuote from: as58 on 03/02/2017 07:18 pmQuote from: Lee Jay on 03/02/2017 07:10 pmRight. I'm disappointed that the government is not funding this.Can you clarify what "this" is?The next steps - all the steps that are between what we are doing now, and colonization of another planet. There's probably a century or more of that - if we try. And we aren't. And neither is SpaceX.Uh-huh. I'm glad you can speak so authoritatively on their steps. So it all boils down to dismissing other ideas just because they don't follow your master plan? Of course their colonization plan is wildly optimistic and ambitious. But... even if it fails, we will learn a lot.And waste a lot of time, and possibly kill a lot of people, and possibly put a black eye on space exploration for decades.
QuoteLots of "steps" will be explored. And without any tax dollars being spent on it (so far), that's a good return on investment for humanity no matter the outcome. If it is a failure, the pieces of that failure will be a leap forward that would otherwise not have happened.Try seeing the glass as half full instead. ITS and New Glenn would allow someone to build that slightly movable research space station of yours in years/months instead of decades.That slightly moveable station was supposed to go to Mars. And seven SLS launches need not take any longer than 7 STS launches.
Quote from: meberbs on 03/02/2017 06:55 amThat trimmed portion is really, truly not relevant. It can be summarized as: SpaceX found that launching a Falcon Heavy is a bit more complicated than just strapping boosters together, which combined with the lack of reason to prioritize it (few launches, and other priorities) has led to it being pushed back a few years, with unrelated issues (launch failures) being major drivers of the most recent delays.Let me prequote you from a few years from now:"SpaceX found that flying beyond Earth orbit" was a bit more complicated than just pushing an object deeper into space".Note that I am not saying that SpaceX won't do all sorts of great things in the future (fingers crossed), I am saying that this particular announcement is not likely to result in a flown mission anywhere close to 2018, or that the mission as announced is likely to morph into something else as time passes.
That trimmed portion is really, truly not relevant. It can be summarized as: SpaceX found that launching a Falcon Heavy is a bit more complicated than just strapping boosters together, which combined with the lack of reason to prioritize it (few launches, and other priorities) has led to it being pushed back a few years, with unrelated issues (launch failures) being major drivers of the most recent delays.
Quote from: jcliving on 03/02/2017 06:54 pmYou should be cheering them on with a silly grin on your face.I'll watch the mission, but this sort of thing benefits a very small number of people, and only for a short time.
Ill take this bet! SpaceX will send people at least to lunar distance by the end of 2020. Deal?
Quote from: meekGee on 03/02/2017 03:17 pmSo you don't like the Mars plan since it is too far-reaching, and you don't like this plan since it is too near sighted.Hard man to please.What is it that you want them to aim at?Interplanetary spacecraft and scientific exploration.Not tourism and colonization.
So you don't like the Mars plan since it is too far-reaching, and you don't like this plan since it is too near sighted.Hard man to please.What is it that you want them to aim at?
We are excited to announce that SpaceX has been approached to fly two private citizens on a trip around the moon late next year. They have already paid a significant deposit to do a moon mission.
Once operational Crew Dragon missions are underway for NASA, SpaceX will launch the private mission on a journey to circumnavigate the moon and return to Earth.