Nice, thanks!That does make propene look good when subcooled. Is there any word that Vector is subcooling though? As far as I can tell they use pressurized room-temp propene.It's interesting that methalox is so far down the chart, even when subcooled. This illustrates the other reasons SpaceX is choosing it for Raptor, including low bulk cost (as LNG), coking issues with RP-1, and temperature similarity with subcooled LOX
Nice, thanks!That does make propene look good when subcooled. Is there any word that Vector is subcooling though? As far as I can tell they use pressurized room-temp propene.
It's interesting that methalox is so far down the chart, even when subcooled. This illustrates the other reasons SpaceX is choosing it for Raptor, including low bulk cost (as LNG), coking issues with RP-1, and temperature similarity with subcooled LOX
Ox.Cond Fuel Cond Temp O.F RelMix Isp Dens Ctemp DenExp MechEff mProp mEng mTank mFluid mOther1 MP+10 propylene MP+16 104 2.79 0.251 349 1069 3926 0.230 0.486 17.6 0.156 0.164 0.0878 0.5922 MP+10 ethylene MP+10 114 2.74 0.250 354 1002 3977 0.236 0.493 16.8 0.158 0.168 0.0841 0.5903 MP+10 propane MP+17 102 3.13 0.250 347 1064 3804 0.230 0.483 17.8 0.160 0.168 0.0892 0.5834 MP+10 pentane MP+10 153 3.03 0.244 346 1080 3827 0.228 0.481 18.1 0.161 0.167 0.0904 0.5815 MP+10 butane MP+10 146 3.07 0.254 346 1067 3818 0.229 0.482 18.0 0.162 0.169 0.0900 0.5806 MP+10 hexane MP+10 188 3.01 0.259 345 1079 3832 0.228 0.480 18.2 0.162 0.168 0.0909 0.5797 MP+10 JP-10 MP+97 291 2.71 0.241 340 1153 3910 0.222 0.472 19.1 0.161 0.166 0.0955 0.5788 MP+10 octane MP+10 226 2.98 0.252 345 1080 3838 0.228 0.479 18.3 0.163 0.169 0.0914 0.5769 MP+10 ethane MP+10 111 3.25 0.261 349 1020 3781 0.233 0.486 17.6 0.164 0.172 0.0878 0.57610 BP syntin <NA> 295 2.59 0.250 347 1042 3987 0.231 0.483 17.8 0.163 0.171 0.0892 0.57611 MP+10 RP-1 MP+43 266 2.87 0.241 342 1109 3862 0.225 0.475 18.7 0.163 0.169 0.0936 0.57412 BP boctane MP+52 295 2.68 0.249 347 1035 3952 0.231 0.483 17.9 0.165 0.173 0.0894 0.57313 BP propylene MP+16 104 2.78 0.256 349 1003 3926 0.233 0.486 17.5 0.166 0.175 0.0877 0.57114 BP ethylene MP+10 114 2.72 0.268 354 944 3976 0.238 0.493 16.8 0.167 0.178 0.0841 0.57015 BP propane MP+17 102 3.12 0.249 347 997 3803 0.233 0.483 17.8 0.171 0.179 0.0892 0.56116 BP pentane MP+10 153 3.02 0.243 346 1011 3826 0.231 0.481 18.1 0.171 0.179 0.0904 0.55917 BP butane MP+10 146 3.06 0.255 346 1000 3818 0.232 0.482 18.0 0.172 0.180 0.0900 0.55818 BP hexane MP+10 188 3.00 0.262 345 1011 3831 0.231 0.480 18.2 0.173 0.180 0.0908 0.55719 BP JP-10 MP+97 291 2.70 0.238 340 1078 3909 0.225 0.472 19.1 0.172 0.177 0.0954 0.55520 BP JP-10 MP+101 295 2.70 0.238 340 1077 3909 0.226 0.472 19.1 0.173 0.177 0.0954 0.55521 BP ethane MP+10 111 3.24 0.266 349 957 3781 0.235 0.486 17.6 0.174 0.183 0.0878 0.55422 BP octane MP+10 226 2.97 0.254 345 1011 3838 0.231 0.479 18.3 0.174 0.181 0.0914 0.55423 BP ethylene BP 169 2.74 0.250 354 899 3977 0.240 0.493 16.8 0.176 0.187 0.0841 0.55324 BP RP-1 MP+43 266 2.86 0.240 342 1038 3862 0.228 0.475 18.7 0.175 0.180 0.0936 0.55125 BP RP-1 MP+72 295 2.86 0.241 342 1029 3862 0.229 0.475 18.7 0.176 0.182 0.0936 0.54826 BP octane MP+79 295 2.98 0.256 345 985 3838 0.232 0.479 18.3 0.178 0.186 0.0914 0.54527 MP+10 methane MP+10 96 3.62 0.245 352 903 3708 0.239 0.490 17.2 0.180 0.190 0.0859 0.54428 BP propylene BP 225 2.81 0.247 349 928 3928 0.236 0.486 17.6 0.180 0.189 0.0878 0.54329 BP hexane MP+117 295 3.02 0.263 345 965 3833 0.233 0.480 18.2 0.181 0.188 0.0909 0.54030 BP pentane MP+152 295 3.04 0.248 346 947 3828 0.234 0.481 18.1 0.183 0.191 0.0905 0.53531 BP ethane BP 185 3.26 0.262 349 907 3782 0.237 0.486 17.6 0.184 0.194 0.0878 0.53432 BP propane BP 231 3.14 0.251 347 926 3805 0.236 0.483 17.9 0.184 0.193 0.0893 0.53333 BP butane BP 273 3.08 0.256 346 935 3819 0.235 0.482 18.0 0.184 0.192 0.0900 0.53334 MP+10 hydrogen MP+2 16 7.44 0.280 421 440 3734 0.301 0.571 10.3 0.192 0.234 0.0515 0.52335 BP methane MP+10 96 3.61 0.272 352 852 3708 0.241 0.490 17.2 0.191 0.201 0.0858 0.52236 BP methane BP 112 3.62 0.261 352 834 3708 0.242 0.490 17.2 0.195 0.206 0.0859 0.51337 BP hydrogen BP 20 7.43 0.290 421 409 3734 0.303 0.571 10.3 0.206 0.252 0.0514 0.491
Quote from: envy887 on 02/14/2017 07:00 pmNice, thanks!That does make propene look good when subcooled. Is there any word that Vector is subcooling though? As far as I can tell they use pressurized room-temp propene.It's interesting that methalox is so far down the chart, even when subcooled. This illustrates the other reasons SpaceX is choosing it for Raptor, including low bulk cost (as LNG), coking issues with RP-1, and temperature similarity with subcooled LOXAnother factor may be that Methane has an exceptionally low viscosity.
Also does the lower viscosity of liquid methane increase the efficiency of the turbopump?
Also with respect to the propene -- wouldn't that C=C double bond increase the chance of carbon deposits as well?