Author Topic: SpaceX F9 : Bangabandhu-1 : KSC 39A : May 11, 2018 : Discussion  (Read 166625 times)

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Congratulations SpaceX. I feel like it was yesterday when i saw the first F9 fly. It's been 8 years since that day.

Great thing they recovered the booster too. I bet NASA is going to have a lot of interest in seeing how the different components performed (specially the COPV and the turbo blades).
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Congratulations SpaceX and Bangladesh!  :)

We are now in the "block 5 era".

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Looks like less soot on the RP-1 tank compared with previous landings. Maybe a consequence of a paint change, or the passive water cooling system.
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Not a super-synchronous GTO.  It cut off at 34832 k/hr = 9676 m/s.  Add in about 400 m/s (Earth rotation) to get 10076 m/s. compared to the normal GTO speed at this altitude of 10148 m/s.  Assuming this is due to inclination reduction, the change in inclination would be about cos-1(10076/10148), or about 6.5 degrees.

So I'd expect a GTO orbit something like 300x36000, inclination 21o. If so about 1670 m/s to GEO.
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Maybe it was the lighting, but it seemed like the on-board cameras were providing much-better-than-usual video quality.  New cams to go with Block 5, maybe?  Loved the drone view of the launch as well.  And, as noted above, they probably need to tighten the bracket holding the 1st stage camera.  Otherwise, everything looked great so far.
I had exactly opposite impression. Quality of camera on stage and barge was abysmal.

Similar impression as well. My thoughts are that these were SD cameras instead of HD cameras (maybe to get around the NOAA restrictions my opinion).  Was not impressed at all at the clarity and video transmission. I'm sure they will improve.
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Can I ask why Bangladesh is having to lease an orbital slot from Russia for this satellite?

Bumping this question so it doesn't get lost in the "old pages" of this thread.

Speculation: Did the ITU assign them a slot, and they lost it through non-use?  Or they leased said slot in the past to another entity?
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Maybe it was the lighting, but it seemed like the on-board cameras were providing much-better-than-usual video quality.  New cams to go with Block 5, maybe?  Loved the drone view of the launch as well.  And, as noted above, they probably need to tighten the bracket holding the 1st stage camera.  Otherwise, everything looked great so far.
I had exactly opposite impression. Quality of camera on stage and barge was abysmal.

Similar impression as well. My thoughts are that these were SD cameras instead of HD cameras (maybe to get around the NOAA restrictions my opinion).  Was not impressed at all at the clarity and video transmission. I'm sure they will improve.

They never were HD in the first place. What has changed is apparently they switched from CCD based to CMOS based cameras which show that (annoying) rolling shutter effect, also apparently don't have an IR filter judging by the prolonged MVac glow after shutdown and they appear to be even more wide-angle lens than before.

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I'm presuming the illumination at PL sep was natural sunlight. So the burn should have made a spectacular plume in the evening sky over the South Atlantic. Does anybody have approx. lat/long of the ground track at start and stop of the GTO burn?

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Was it only me or did the cameras/first stage shake more than in previous launches whenever the cold gas thrusters fired. Maybe they got an upgrade too?

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That thing jumped off the pad noticeably faster than previous F9s, I didn't expect the thrust increase to be that noticeable especially when taking into consideration that more LOX mass was loaded than before and the overall vehicle structure is likely heavier. Looked more like the inaugural FH than single stick launches.
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That thing jumped off the pad noticeably faster than previous F9s, I didn't expect the thrust increase to be that noticeable especially when taking into consideration that more LOX mass was loaded than before and the overall vehicle structure is likely heavier.

Do we have Thrust/Weight at lift-off ratios for the various versions of Falcon 9?
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I'm presuming the illumination at PL sep was natural sunlight. So the burn should have made a spectacular plume in the evening sky over the South Atlantic. Does anybody have approx. lat/long of the ground track at start and stop of the GTO burn?

No, it was illuminated from the stage, as far as I can tell. Both the downfacing and upfacing stage 2 cameras now have built in lights.

Note in the video how there is no sunlight on the MVac, but in the shot of the satellite departing the light is from below - where the MVac should in that case have been seen some illumination. No, it was a strong light, it seems.


And the SpaceX GTO burns are always made over the same spot... where the ground track for the most optimal launch from KSC crosses the equator, over the coast of Gabon.
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Congratulations to SpaceX & Bangladesh!

Thank you to all at NASASpaceFlight for doing your thing so well!

This all makes me very happy! :-)

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Maybe it was the lighting, but it seemed like the on-board cameras were providing much-better-than-usual video quality.  New cams to go with Block 5, maybe?  Loved the drone view of the launch as well.  And, as noted above, they probably need to tighten the bracket holding the 1st stage camera.  Otherwise, everything looked great so far.
I had exactly opposite impression. Quality of camera on stage and barge was abysmal.

Similar impression as well. My thoughts are that these were SD cameras instead of HD cameras (maybe to get around the NOAA restrictions my opinion).  Was not impressed at all at the clarity and video transmission. I'm sure they will improve.

NOAA has nothing to do with Stage 1 cameras.  They seemed to be having transmission problems.

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I'm presuming the illumination at PL sep was natural sunlight. So the burn should have made a spectacular plume in the evening sky over the South Atlantic. Does anybody have approx. lat/long of the ground track at start and stop of the GTO burn?

No, it was illuminated from the stage, as far as I can tell. Both the downfacing and upfacing stage 2 cameras now have built in lights. 

Excellent insights, thank you. I've been collecting ground observations of Falcon 2nd stage pluming events to compare with the bizarre spinning double-plume from Zuma.

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I just rewatched the second stage cut off and if you notice, the purple coloring on the bell only really comes from one of the cameras. The other one has a much more pinkish view.

Maybe the vibrations shook the IR filter off one of the cameras?

Eta: watch from 46:01 on the SpaceX feed onwards to see what I mean
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What an amazing step forward again!
Not only for SpaceX and space tech, but also for the country of Bangladesh!

Now bring the rocket home, take it apart and hopefully confirm all would have been good for immediate reflight!
Then put it back together and return it to the active fleet.

Congratulations to all who have been working so hard to make this all possible!
Amazing work and so inspiring to see such progress being made every launch!
Keep up the good work!

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Was this a new procedure on the use of the rainbirds for Block 5?

It appears to me that, although the two sets of four rainbirds on each side of the rocket (in the launch webcast camera) began flowing a small volume of water at ~T-0:52, and the two end rainbirds came on at high volume at T-0:08,...

... all eight of the side rainbirds seem to have stayed at low-medium volume all the way through ignition and liftoff.

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What do others recall from previous F9 launches at LC-39A?
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