"Stabilization fins (not shown) reduce range requirements and associated fees per launch", ehh?Lox/methane aerospike first stage, warm gas pressurization, image shows a tank on top of the two main tanks, so maybe warm helium rather than autogenous. 1426 Kg seems very light.
They then list their key people and have a blurb about each. Not a single one of them seems to have any experience whatsoever working for any launch vehicle company. The head of the propulsion department's main experience is designing electronics and vacuum chambers. In fact, every single person on their list seems to have more professional experience in electronics, computers, or "STEM outreach" than designing rockets, except for one about whom they list no professional experience at all in any area. Even the first person listed, who is presumably the leader, only seems to have academic experience in anything aerospace-related, with his professional experience working for a datacenter company. It says he's been building rocket engines and other aerospace components "independently", not professionally.It certainly has the looks of some amateur rocket enthusiasts more than serious professionals.
Ha. This is precisely what I was postulating about Relativity yesterday in terms of an ultra light, single payload nano-launcher. Even my pricing wasn't far off at $350K a shot - I guess if you add range fees you get to $550K in heartbeat.It's an interesting model. The issue with this is you still need to build a 9mx1m 10 ton rocket - and get 35 tons of paperwork completed to actually launch it, which is a much bugger hurdle than the tech in my opinion. What's this, US smallsat launcher #15?
The very first sentence is "Aphelion orbitals was founded with the vision for space is open for all." That's not grammatical and it's not clear exactly what it means. Did they mean "that" instead of "for", so their vision is "space is open for all"? Usually, a vision is something that isn't already true, so are they saying their vision is to open space for everyone?
Then they have "This is not to say, individuals and small companies who require a dedicated launch for their nanosatellites." There's no verb in that sentence, and that makes it unclear what their point even is.
Then they talk about the launch of the first satellites and claim "as technology progressed, the availability of an orbital launch vehicle has not improved". That's another claim that's clearly patently false.
Later, after more problematic text, they get to what seems to be their central claim: "We are uniquely positioned to change something about the whole space industry that they cannot: a rocket is, fundamentally, no more complex to design and build than a large car." What? Do they mean that it's a pre-existing fact that a rocket is that simple to design and build and they are going to take advantage of it? Or do they mean that today it's not true but they are going to make it true?
Either way, why are they uniquely positioned for that? Why can their competitors not do the same thing?
Not a single one of them seems to have any experience whatsoever working for any launch vehicle company. The head of the propulsion department's main experience is designing electronics and vacuum chambers. In fact, every single person on their list seems to have more professional experience in electronics, computers, or "STEM outreach" than designing rockets
Quote from: ChrisWilson68 on 01/12/2017 01:12 pmThe very first sentence is "Aphelion orbitals was founded with the vision for space is open for all." That's not grammatical and it's not clear exactly what it means. Did they mean "that" instead of "for", so their vision is "space is open for all"? Usually, a vision is something that isn't already true, so are they saying their vision is to open space for everyone?I think that's what is meant. Their motto is 'Ianuas Caelorum Aperiemus' which means 'we will open the doors of the heavens'.QuoteThen they have "This is not to say, individuals and small companies who require a dedicated launch for their nanosatellites." There's no verb in that sentence, and that makes it unclear what their point even is. I'm pretty sure they mean "not to mention". Quote Then they talk about the launch of the first satellites and claim "as technology progressed, the availability of an orbital launch vehicle has not improved". That's another claim that's clearly patently false.Eh - it's somewhat of an exaggeration, but they're comparing the advancement of computer technology vs rocket technology over the last few decades. From that perspective, the cost/availability of launch hasn't changed that much.QuoteLater, after more problematic text, they get to what seems to be their central claim: "We are uniquely positioned to change something about the whole space industry that they cannot: a rocket is, fundamentally, no more complex to design and build than a large car." What? Do they mean that it's a pre-existing fact that a rocket is that simple to design and build and they are going to take advantage of it? Or do they mean that today it's not true but they are going to make it true? I think it means that fundamentally rockets don't have to be more complex than a car but they intend to be the first to build one that actually is no more complex.I think it's the same way of speaking as when Elon Musk says things like 'the propellant for Falcon 9 is only $200,000 so theoretically we could get something like two orders of magnitude cost reduction' (not an exact quote).Quote Either way, why are they uniquely positioned for that? Why can their competitors not do the same thing?Quote Not a single one of them seems to have any experience whatsoever working for any launch vehicle company. The head of the propulsion department's main experience is designing electronics and vacuum chambers. In fact, every single person on their list seems to have more professional experience in electronics, computers, or "STEM outreach" than designing rocketsI think that's exactly it. They seem to be talking about transferring 'electronics industry thinking' to rockets.
Quote from: ChrisWilson68 on 01/12/2017 01:12 pmThe very first sentence is "Aphelion orbitals was founded with the vision for space is open for all." That's not grammatical and it's not clear exactly what it means. Did they mean "that" instead of "for", so their vision is "space is open for all"? Usually, a vision is something that isn't already true, so are they saying their vision is to open space for everyone?I think that's what is meant. Their motto is 'Ianuas Caelorum Aperiemus' which means 'we will open the doors of the heavens'.
Quote Then they talk about the launch of the first satellites and claim "as technology progressed, the availability of an orbital launch vehicle has not improved". That's another claim that's clearly patently false.Eh - it's somewhat of an exaggeration, but they're comparing the advancement of computer technology vs rocket technology over the last few decades. From that perspective, the cost/availability of launch hasn't changed that much.
QuoteEither way, why are they uniquely positioned for that? Why can their competitors not do the same thing?Quote Not a single one of them seems to have any experience whatsoever working for any launch vehicle company. The head of the propulsion department's main experience is designing electronics and vacuum chambers. In fact, every single person on their list seems to have more professional experience in electronics, computers, or "STEM outreach" than designing rocketsI think that's exactly it. They seem to be talking about transferring 'electronics industry thinking' to rockets.
Quote from: Vultur on 01/14/2017 04:45 amQuote Not a single one of them seems to have any experience whatsoever working for any launch vehicle company. The head of the propulsion department's main experience is designing electronics and vacuum chambers. In fact, every single person on their list seems to have more professional experience in electronics, computers, or "STEM outreach" than designing rocketsI think that's exactly it. They seem to be talking about transferring 'electronics industry thinking' to rockets.And attract investors from electronics industry?It is quite doubtful how much does investors from electronics industry knows about rocktary.
Quote Not a single one of them seems to have any experience whatsoever working for any launch vehicle company. The head of the propulsion department's main experience is designing electronics and vacuum chambers. In fact, every single person on their list seems to have more professional experience in electronics, computers, or "STEM outreach" than designing rocketsI think that's exactly it. They seem to be talking about transferring 'electronics industry thinking' to rockets.
Quote from: Katana on 01/14/2017 09:04 amQuote from: Vultur on 01/14/2017 04:45 amQuote Not a single one of them seems to have any experience whatsoever working for any launch vehicle company. The head of the propulsion department's main experience is designing electronics and vacuum chambers. In fact, every single person on their list seems to have more professional experience in electronics, computers, or "STEM outreach" than designing rocketsI think that's exactly it. They seem to be talking about transferring 'electronics industry thinking' to rockets.And attract investors from electronics industry?It is quite doubtful how much does investors from electronics industry knows about rocktary.I think their only hope of getting funded is to find investors who don't know much about rocketry. And who don't know much about business in general, actually. Even investors who know nothing about rocketry should be able to see this crew is among the weakest in an overcrowded field. They need to find people with a lot of money, a romantic desire to own a rocket company, and no investment sense.Excalibur Almaz was able to find some such investors, so it's not impossible.
Quote from: Nomic on 01/12/2017 01:28 pm"Stabilization fins (not shown) reduce range requirements and associated fees per launch", ehh?Lox/methane aerospike first stage, warm gas pressurization, image shows a tank on top of the two main tanks, so maybe warm helium rather than autogenous. 1426 Kg seems very light.The Trailblazer is totally different, LOX Alcohol , aluminium tank, conventional nozzle.This launcher is more likely a fiction added over real buisness projects. Similar buisness PR may become ubiqous in the world after SpaceX claimed ITS.
Firefly switched to RP1 because they couldn't make pressure fed Methane work.
Quote from: Katana on 01/15/2017 05:24 amQuote from: Nomic on 01/12/2017 01:28 pm"Stabilization fins (not shown) reduce range requirements and associated fees per launch", ehh?Lox/methane aerospike first stage, warm gas pressurization, image shows a tank on top of the two main tanks, so maybe warm helium rather than autogenous. 1426 Kg seems very light.The Trailblazer is totally different, LOX Alcohol , aluminium tank, conventional nozzle.This launcher is more likely a fiction added over real buisness projects. Similar buisness PR may become ubiqous in the world after SpaceX claimed ITS.There's no evidence that ITS is fiction over real business projects, and lots of evidence it is not fiction at all.I also see no evidence that this company's real business is radiation testing. Is that just speculation because some of the key people have experience in that area or is there any actual evidence?
Quote from: Katana on 01/13/2017 06:21 amNote the Japanese JAXA SS-520-4 Cubesat launcher, 4kg/2.6t, $250k, even not a commercial one. http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40509.0There may be 5~10 more tiny launchers emerging in this category, since the average success rate of VC is around 10%, suppose 1 success.http://www.spaceflightinider.com/organizations/jaxa/smallest-orbital-class-rocket-launch-ends-failure/
Note the Japanese JAXA SS-520-4 Cubesat launcher, 4kg/2.6t, $250k, even not a commercial one. http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40509.0There may be 5~10 more tiny launchers emerging in this category, since the average success rate of VC is around 10%, suppose 1 success.
Quote from: TrevorMonty on 01/14/2017 02:42 pmFirefly switched to RP1 because they couldn't make pressure fed Methane work.To nuance this a bit, I believe the issue it wasn't that pressure-fed methane flat out couldn't be made to work, but rather that . it was going to analyzing the cooling was going to be a research project all by itself.
Anyone have an idea what they could be burning to get that bright yellow flame? Their website only says they're using green, high density hypergolic propellants'.
Quote from: Kryten on 11/13/2018 09:02 amAnyone have an idea what they could be burning to get that bright yellow flame? Their website only says they're using green, high density hypergolic propellants'.Hydrogen peroxide and ethanolamine, along with a special additive. The fireball has a green tint, so I'm guessing the additive has copper in it, possibly CuCl2.
Quote from: Gliderflyer on 11/13/2018 11:46 amQuote from: Kryten on 11/13/2018 09:02 amAnyone have an idea what they could be burning to get that bright yellow flame? Their website only says they're using green, high density hypergolic propellants'.Hydrogen peroxide and ethanolamine, along with a special additive. The fireball has a green tint, so I'm guessing the additive has copper in it, possibly CuCl2.What do we know about the density and Isp of that combination? How green is it (figuratively, not literally!) if it is spewing copper compounds into the atmosphere?
Here are the slides from Aphelion Orbitals' last pitch deck before winding down operations. We had a good plan, ambitious yet competent. It's so sad we just ran out of time.
From the tank volumes, looks like they are using HTP. Also looks like there is a third kick stage, like on Electron.
So what went wrong? The last update I can find is his "Aphelion Orbitals Journey" post also on LinkedIn, from only about 2 weeks earlier, and it seems pretty optimistic still, no mention of any trouble or of any contracts/grants/investment rounds that could have been at risk. Were they expecting some investment contingent on that static fire, and the investor wasn't satisfied with "it blew up, but look how easy the cleanup was!"?
More information on this former founder's GoFundMe page. Also shows the ugly, but more common than not, side of "startups".https://www.gofundme.com/i-lost-everything-when-my-business-closed
Quote from: eeergo on 01/24/2019 11:13 amMore information on this former founder's GoFundMe page. Also shows the ugly, but more common than not, side of "startups".https://www.gofundme.com/i-lost-everything-when-my-business-closedUgly indeed! The building flooding problems made made me think this was some third-world country. My condolences.
David Nagy is a founder and shareholder at Aphelion Orbitals, a small launcher company he helped found in early 2016, during his sophomore year of high school. They currently have their offices in Union City, New Jersey, and have carried out successful liquid and solid propulsion testing campaigns, as well as qualifying for the DARPA launch challenge. Alongside his corporate experience, he is also a member of multiple rocketry organizations, and has had many successful high powered rocket flights.