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Re: Ursa Major Technologies
« Reply #140 on: 03/23/2023 12:57 pm »
https://twitter.com/ursamajortech/status/1638892515502989312

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Re: Ursa Major Technologies
« Reply #141 on: 03/23/2023 01:24 pm »
Genuine question: what's the possible market for their Ripley engine? The only company interested in using Reaver-class engines to make a small launch vehicle decided to just licence Reavers directly. And any other company trying to say "we've got a plan to build a rocket using 1-4 Ripleys on the first stage and one Hadley on the second stage" needs to explain to VCs why they shouldn't just buy up the corpse of Astra instead -- which would include a free Hall-effect thruster company as a bonus!

While Hadley itself may have a future for certain hypersonics applications (although I have my doubts about Stratolaunch, and their Talon-A is supposed to be reusable so that's a limited number of Hadley sales anyway), it seems like Ripley is depending on a third wave of small launch companies, which seems unlikely if only two or three of the second wave will still be launching small vehicles in three years.

And that doesn't even get into Arroway. On the plus side, it does seem correctly sized for medium to heavy lift vehicles. On the minus side, we know this because everyone who's working on a medium to heavy lift vehicle is deep into building their own in-house engine of this size...meaning they're not in the market for outsourcing. So unless ABL's as-yet-unannounced larger vehicle uses Arroway (and if it does, I'm calling that I predicted it), I'm not sure who that's for either.

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Re: Ursa Major Technologies
« Reply #142 on: 04/24/2023 01:35 pm »
As previously rumored, the Astra Rocket 4.0's upper stage engine is Hadley.
Many rockets that use Ursa Major engines are far from the launch pad, but I hope they get to flight as soon as possible!

https://twitter.com/Astra/status/1650485884373078022?s=20

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Re: Ursa Major Technologies
« Reply #143 on: 04/25/2023 08:02 pm »
https://techcrunch.com/2023/04/25/rocket-engine-startup-ursa-major-quietly-closed-100m-in-new-funding/
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Ursa Major has quietly closed $100 million in new funding, according to documents viewed by TechCrunch and multiple sources.

Funders to the Series D include BlackRock and Space Capital. The funding was reportedly closed last October.

The new capital came less than a year after the company closed an $85 million Series C. All told, the company has now raised around $234 million. The company sought the funding at a $400 million pre-money valuation.

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Re: Ursa Major Technologies
« Reply #144 on: 05/17/2023 06:09 am »
https://twitter.com/ursamajortech/status/1658608214043394048

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Re: Ursa Major Technologies
« Reply #145 on: 05/18/2023 09:48 pm »
ENGINE TEST ROUNDUP FOR Q1 2023

Ursa Major completed 60 engine tests in 14 days;
https://www.ursamajor.com/blog/engine-test-roundup-for-q1-2023


« Last Edit: 05/18/2023 09:49 pm by Daniels30 »
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Re: Ursa Major Technologies
« Reply #146 on: 05/18/2023 10:19 pm »
What LV is Ripley  being used it?.

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Re: Ursa Major Technologies
« Reply #147 on: 05/18/2023 11:38 pm »
What LV is Ripley  being used it?.
None that I've heard of, but I have to imagine that if Ripley came out a few years earlier, it would have been picked for Rocket 4 (and maybe for Phantom Space's Daytona).

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Re: Ursa Major Technologies
« Reply #148 on: 05/19/2023 06:26 am »
What LV is Ripley  being used it?.
phantom space is going to use it in a later iteration of their Daytona rocket (replacing the 9 Hadley engines for a single Ripley) and it'll also be used on the first stage of their bigger rocket "Laguna"
« Last Edit: 05/19/2023 06:32 am by the_big_boot »

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Re: Ursa Major Technologies
« Reply #149 on: 05/23/2023 01:18 pm »
AIR FORCE RESEARCH LABORATORY SELECTS LEADING U.S. ROCKET PROPULSION COMPANY URSA MAJOR TO PROVIDE HYPERSONICS AND SPACE LAUNCH CAPABILITIES:
https://www.ursamajor.com/media/press-release/air-force-research-laboratory-selects-leading-ursa-major-for-hypersonics-and-launch-capabilities?utm_source=social&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=ongoing

"Contract funds development of storable “Draper” engine for hypersonic defense and 200,000-pound thrust “Arroway” engine as an RD-series replacement
DENVER - May 18, 2023 - Ursa Major, America's leading privately funded company focused solely on rocket propulsion, today announced a contract with the Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL) to advance U.S. hypersonics defense programs and space launch capabilities. 

Under the contract, Ursa Major will build and test a prototype of its new Draper engine for hypersonics, and further develop its 200,000-pound thrust Arroway engine for space launch.

“Ursa Major continues to be an important partner to AFRL as we build hypersonics capabilities and remove America’s dependence on foreign propulsion systems for launch,” said Shawn Phillips, Chief of AFRL’s Rocket Propulsion Division.

About Draper

The Draper engine is a 4,000-pound-thrust closed cycle hydrogen peroxide engine designed for hypersonic applications. Because its propellant is storable, the engine can provide rapid-response capabilities. Ursa Major will also build a dedicated test stand for Draper and plans to hotfire the engine within 12 months.

The United States faces a gap in hypersonic capabilities, and Draper will help to address this, bearing storable characteristics of a solid motor but with the higher performance and maneuverability of a liquid engine. Those qualities allow it to better simulate hypersonic threats as a target vehicle.

“Draper will become the foundation of America’s counter-hypersonic capabilities,” said Joe Laurienti, founder and CEO of Ursa Major. “Its on-demand launch capability and increased maneuverability make it an ideal hypersonic interceptor and allow it to better simulate hypersonic threats as a target vehicle.”

Applicable for both space access and hypersonic applications, the Draper engine aligns with AFRL's efforts in enhancing technical capabilities to deliver assets rapidly and effectively to “high-energy orbits" or "military-relevant orbits." Draper’s safe handling and storability leads to applications and maturation of responsive launch operations, including, point-to-point delivery, quick mission planning, on-orbit servicing, fuel depots, global range and mobility, hypersonic systems, and survivable and responsive launches. Learn more about Draper here.

About Arroway

Arroway is a reusable liquid oxygen and methane staged combustion engine for medium and heavy launch vehicles, expected to hotfire in 2025. Introduced in August 2022, Arroway, when clustered together, will be one of very few commercially available American engines capable of supporting next-generation heavy launch.

Ursa Major designs, tests, and manufactures its engines from its state-of-the-art facility in Berthoud, Colorado, using market-leading technology in analysis and simulation, 3D printing, and proprietary alloys. Its customers get to launch many years faster, without the development cost of building engines in-house.

Last August, Ursa Major and AFRL announced a contract under the U.S. Air Force Tactical Funding Increase (TACFI) program to qualify the 5,000-pound thrust, oxygen-rich staged combustion “Hadley” rocket engine for future Department of Defense missions."

https://www.ursamajor.com/engines/draper
« Last Edit: 05/23/2023 01:19 pm by Daniels30 »
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Re: Ursa Major Technologies
« Reply #150 on: 05/23/2023 02:04 pm »
This is a pleasant surprise. It's good to see that Ursa Major is making more engines, and the versatility of this one, especially because it is a variant of Hadley is great.

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Re: Ursa Major Technologies
« Reply #151 on: 05/23/2023 02:47 pm »
I believe the "closed catalyst cycle" Ursa Major describes for Draper is the same that Skyrora uses on their Skyforce engine. I think they once called it "staged uncombustion," but they seem to have abandoned that phrasing.

Re: Ursa Major Technologies
« Reply #152 on: 05/23/2023 03:47 pm »
Do we consider High-Test Peroxide storable? I mean sure it's relatively storable, in the sense that it's not boiling off constantly, but it is slowly decomposing constantly. It can't just sit in the tank for actual years like nitrogen tetraoxide or the hydrazines, can it?

This is of course ultimately just a terminology quibble, since it's apparently storable enough for the Air Force. This is gonna be a super cool little engine.
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Re: Ursa Major Technologies
« Reply #153 on: 05/23/2023 06:08 pm »
Who are they building Arroway for and why is DoD funding it. Only potential customer I can think of is ULA and follow on RLV to Vulcan.
« Last Edit: 05/23/2023 11:06 pm by zubenelgenubi »

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Re: Ursa Major Technologies
« Reply #154 on: 05/23/2023 07:38 pm »
Who are they building Arroway for and why is DoD funding it. Only potential customer I can think of is ULA and follow on RLV to Vulcan.
Arroway is around 1/3 the thrust of BE-4 (890kN vs. 2.45MN). So unless a Vulcan follow-up wants to move from two large engines to nine small ones (to facilitate first-stage recovery?), I don't see the point.

It's kind of unfortunate for Ursa Major, Arroway happens to be almost the same size as Aeon R, Archimedes, Miranda, and Prometheus. I imagine that Rocket Lab at least would have considered outsourcing the engines if they were commercially available, but they're coming online too late for Neutron.

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Re: Ursa Major Technologies
« Reply #155 on: 05/23/2023 08:00 pm »
Do we consider High-Test Peroxide storable? I mean sure it's relatively storable, in the sense that it's not boiling off constantly, but it is slowly decomposing constantly. It can't just sit in the tank for actual years like nitrogen tetraoxide or the hydrazines, can it?

At high concentrations, like 95% and above, and when kept cool, close to its freezing point (or even actually frozen), then, yes, you can keep it for many years or even decades with basically no decomposition at all.  This paper (also attached) mentions on page 8 a set of drums with 90% peroxide kept at 5°C for 17 years, with essentially no decomposition at all; and one drum kept outdoors in Texas for 17 years, where concentration dropped from 90% to 84%.

There are of course other considerations, like making the tanks of compatible materials, and before filling the tanks you need to make sure they are clean from various contaminants that can act as catalyzers or reactants.  But those are not more onerous than for many other common industrial chemicals.

Re: Ursa Major Technologies
« Reply #156 on: 05/23/2023 08:05 pm »
Do we consider High-Test Peroxide storable? I mean sure it's relatively storable, in the sense that it's not boiling off constantly, but it is slowly decomposing constantly. It can't just sit in the tank for actual years like nitrogen tetraoxide or the hydrazines, can it?

At high concentrations, like 95% and above, and when kept cool, close to its freezing point (or even actually frozen), then, yes, you can keep it for many years or even decades with basically no decomposition at all.  This paper (also attached) mentions on page 8 a set of drums with 90% peroxide kept at 5°C for 17 years, with essentially no decomposition at all; and one drum kept outdoors in Texas for 17 years, where concentration dropped from 90% to 84%.

There are of course other considerations, like making the tanks of compatible materials, and before filling the tanks you need to make sure they are clean from various contaminants that can act as catalyzers or reactants.  But those are not more onerous than for many other common industrial chemicals.

Good to know, thanks!
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Re: Ursa Major Technologies
« Reply #157 on: 05/23/2023 08:34 pm »
Who are they building Arroway for and why is DoD funding it. Only potential customer I can think of is ULA and follow on RLV to Vulcan.
Arroway is around 1/3 the thrust of BE-4 (890kN vs. 2.45MN). So unless a Vulcan follow-up wants to move from two large engines to nine small ones (to facilitate first-stage recovery?), I don't see the point.

It's kind of unfortunate for Ursa Major, Arroway happens to be almost the same size as Aeon R, Archimedes, Miranda, and Prometheus. I imagine that Rocket Lab at least would have considered outsourcing the engines if they were commercially available, but they're coming online too late for Neutron.
They must have customer to justify development cost of this engine.
For ULA it would need to be new RLV but don't assume another F9R clone. There were slides of LV with 2 engine pods attached to a booster tank.
« Last Edit: 05/23/2023 11:07 pm by zubenelgenubi »

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Re: Ursa Major Technologies
« Reply #158 on: 05/23/2023 08:37 pm »
Who are they building Arroway for and why is DoD funding it. Only potential customer I can think of is ULA and follow on RLV to Vulcan.
Arroway is around 1/3 the thrust of BE-4 (890kN vs. 2.45MN). So unless a Vulcan follow-up wants to move from two large engines to nine small ones (to facilitate first-stage recovery?), I don't see the point.

It's kind of unfortunate for Ursa Major, Arroway happens to be almost the same size as Aeon R, Archimedes, Miranda, and Prometheus. I imagine that Rocket Lab at least would have considered outsourcing the engines if they were commercially available, but they're coming online too late for Neutron.
They must have customer to justify development cost of this engine.
For ULA it would need to be new RLV but don't assume another F9R clone. There were slides of LV with 2 engine pods attached to a booster tank.
Show me those slides. I’ve seen this idea hinted at as an idea by someone not at ULA, but I didn’t know ULA was looking at it. It would be very good news!
« Last Edit: 05/23/2023 11:07 pm by zubenelgenubi »
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Re: Ursa Major Technologies
« Reply #159 on: 05/23/2023 08:44 pm »
Who are they building Arroway for and why is DoD funding it. Only potential customer I can think of is ULA and follow on RLV to Vulcan.
Arroway is around 1/3 the thrust of BE-4 (890kN vs. 2.45MN). So unless a Vulcan follow-up wants to move from two large engines to nine small ones (to facilitate first-stage recovery?), I don't see the point.

It's kind of unfortunate for Ursa Major, Arroway happens to be almost the same size as Aeon R, Archimedes, Miranda, and Prometheus. I imagine that Rocket Lab at least would have considered outsourcing the engines if they were commercially available, but they're coming online too late for Neutron.
They must have customer to justify development cost of this engine.
For ULA it would need to be new RLV but don't assume another F9R clone. There were slides of LV with 2 engine pods attached to a booster tank.
If ULA wants a launch vehicle in the medium or heavy lift range, they can't make it with just two Arroways. We know exactly how many engines that size are needed for a medium-lift vehicle: nine, because that's how many Neutron has (and Archimedes is almost identical to Arroway in terms of thrust; Miranda and Aeon R are actually 14% and 28% more, respectively).

I guess they could be thinking of liquid side boosters (maybe even flyback boosters), but for comparison the GEM 63XL has just over 2MN of thrust, putting it much closer to BE-4 than Arroway. Of course, there are other significant differences between solid rocket boosters and liquid side boosters, IANARS so I can't speculate, but Arroway doesn't seem particularly suited to this role either.

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