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Re: What can WE do to make Elon's Mars dream a reality?
« Reply #60 on: 09/30/2016 08:58 am »
Buy a bunch of Teslas.
Are the current reservation numbers for the Model 3 online? Would be interesting to see whether there is a sudden jump.

Tesla lost 5 dollars from the stock price immediately after Musk made the presentation.

Which should be a given, most financial inverstors care about their bottom line, not audacious, extremely expensive and imporbable plans.

...which is a reason that Musk doesn't want to make SpaceX public btw..
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Re: What can WE do to make Elon's Mars dream a reality?
« Reply #61 on: 09/30/2016 10:15 am »

Theoretically, ITS could bring back 25 tons of Mars rocks or so. 40 kg for every donor if there are 1 million of them... (realistically, it will be less, but you get the point).


And it will have no value in those quantities.  It is no longer rare

you are not taking it because it's valuable. You are willing to donate, so you are not doing it for a profit. however, getting something back, even if only symbolic, makes a big difference from the donor's standpoint.

Sure, kickstarter doesn't sobstitute for actual funding. It simply complements it.

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Re: What can WE do to make Elon's Mars dream a reality?
« Reply #62 on: 09/30/2016 12:58 pm »
Lobby NASA to get SLS cancelled and then use funds to fund ITS dev.

NASA has no need for ITS

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Re: What can WE do to make Elon's Mars dream a reality?
« Reply #63 on: 09/30/2016 01:02 pm »
Partnership with SpaceX and the best video game developers on the planet.

Create the most realistic and ambitious Mars solar system colonization simulation ever - featuring all of the components existing/in development/in planning/hypothesized in the Falcon Heavy/Red Dragon/ICT architecture.

Realistic orbital mechanics a la Children of a Dead Earth + Sims-level social interaction (for the long voyages and those cold, dark nights on Mars) + PlanetBase-esque on steroids colonization logistics + KSP-level kabloomy goodness.... Am I missing something?  Bueler?

Point is, a FUN and imaginative way for working-class people who cannot now afford a ticket on ICT or a Tesla to imagine the real possibility of this endeavor and become EXCITED about taking part in it...  By paying for a video game that ends in the colonization of other worlds the way THEY imagine!

Total revenues for the video game industry in the U.S. hit $23.5 billion last year according to Fortune...

Can't afford a Tesla.... But I would pay $$$$ for this. So would others.

How can it fail?

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Re: What can WE do to make Elon's Mars dream a reality?
« Reply #64 on: 09/30/2016 01:04 pm »

Military budgets are outrageous ...
A typical Aircraft Carrier today:
" Our newest aircraft carrier requires a smaller crew but still takes big bucks to build. Its total cost, including personnel, is $26.8 billion. Now under construction, the Gerald R. Ford-class carrier is due to enter service in 2015 with a crew of 4,660 500 fewer than older carriers thanks to technology improvements.Nov 4, 2012
New Aircraft Carriers Less Crew More Cost - Face the Facts USA"

http://www.facethefactsusa.org/facts/New-Aircraft-Carrier-Does-More-with-Less-Crew


Don't need a colony but need a military

In deference, and with the utmost respect to Jim, I wasn't saying we need to not have a military, only that budgeting for a $10 Billion project is quite doable if priorities were perceived as high. It is viable commercially and or via a shared government stake. The highway system was originally considered a defense project. So too can a rocket that can deliver "payloads" in 25 minutes anywhere on the planet.
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Re: What can WE do to make Elon's Mars dream a reality?
« Reply #65 on: 09/30/2016 01:17 pm »

In deference, and with the utmost respect to Jim, I wasn't saying we need to not have a military, only that budgeting for a $10 Billion project is quite doable if priorities were perceived as high. It is viable commercially and or via a shared government stake. The highway system was originally considered a defense project. So too can a rocket that can deliver "payloads" in 25 minutes anywhere on the planet.

the government has no need for such a project

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Re: What can WE do to make Elon's Mars dream a reality?
« Reply #66 on: 09/30/2016 01:18 pm »
Don't forget, SpaceX will start launching internet sats in the near future... I wouldn't mind getting a subscription to SpaceNet(TM)
Comparing SpaceX and SLS is like comparing paying people to plant fruit trees with merely digging holes and filling them.  - Robotbeat

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Re: What can WE do to make Elon's Mars dream a reality?
« Reply #67 on: 09/30/2016 01:19 pm »
... That is not to say some of these companies could not fork over investments into space development, in fact some already have....

Exactly this was my point! Companies can choose to invest and have deep enough pockets to do so possibly in exchange for a stake, exclusive rights or sponsorship potential.

Google, Apple, Microsoft, or possibly NBC/Universal (NBC/Solar System?)  ;)
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Re: What can WE do to make Elon's Mars dream a reality?
« Reply #68 on: 09/30/2016 01:33 pm »
Also in that vain get several Powerwall tm units for your house along with a SolarRoof tm from Tesla Energy and Solar City.

If the best profit margin for Powerwall units is selling them to underwater drug-running submarine makers (they don't waste the sales staff time asking lots of questions), then you can support the Mars effort just by buying drugs.  :-\

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Re: What can WE do to make Elon's Mars dream a reality?
« Reply #69 on: 09/30/2016 02:09 pm »

In deference, and with the utmost respect to Jim, I wasn't saying we need to not have a military, only that budgeting for a $10 Billion project is quite doable if priorities were perceived as high. It is viable commercially and or via a shared government stake. The highway system was originally considered a defense project. So too can a rocket that can deliver "payloads" in 25 minutes anywhere on the planet.

the government has no need for such a project

By the same criteria, it also has no 'need' for SLS, or any research project, that doesn't, apparently, have military benefits.

In the same way, the human population has no need for a new iPhone, or a new series of Game of Thrones, or a better mouse trap.

Sometimes, you just have to do something because you can.

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Re: What can WE do to make Elon's Mars dream a reality?
« Reply #70 on: 09/30/2016 02:20 pm »

By the same criteria, it also has no 'need' for SLS, or any research project, that doesn't, apparently, have military benefits.

In the same way, the human population has no need for a new iPhone, or a new series of Game of Thrones, or a better mouse trap.

Sometimes, you just have to do something because you can.

No, not on order of this

SLS produces jobs and votes. 

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Re: What can WE do to make Elon's Mars dream a reality?
« Reply #71 on: 09/30/2016 02:20 pm »
... That is not to say some of these companies could not fork over investments into space development, in fact some already have....

Exactly this was my point! Companies can choose to invest and have deep enough pockets to do so possibly in exchange for a stake, exclusive rights or sponsorship potential.

Google, Apple, Microsoft, or possibly NBC/Universal (NBC/Solar System?)  ;)

There has to be an ROI

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Re: What can WE do to make Elon's Mars dream a reality?
« Reply #72 on: 09/30/2016 02:41 pm »

By the same criteria, it also has no 'need' for SLS, or any research project, that doesn't, apparently, have military benefits.

In the same way, the human population has no need for a new iPhone, or a new series of Game of Thrones, or a better mouse trap.

Sometimes, you just have to do something because you can.

No, not on order of this

SLS produces jobs and votes.

Practically all government expenditure produce jobs and votes.  Tax cuts also produce jobs and votes.  It is a fallacy that government programs like SLS produce jobs.  If that money was not spent on SLS it is not like that money would disappear.  It would simply go into something else and produce jobs there.   

The question is where is the money best spent. 

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Re: What can WE do to make Elon's Mars dream a reality?
« Reply #73 on: 09/30/2016 02:50 pm »


Practically all government expenditure produce jobs and votes.  Tax cuts also produce jobs and votes.  It is a fallacy that government programs like SLS produce jobs.

It produces jobs and votes in key states.  I am just stating reality.  I do not support SLS. 

   

The question is where is the money best spent. 

Where the most votes are
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Re: What can WE do to make Elon's Mars dream a reality?
« Reply #74 on: 09/30/2016 03:27 pm »
Buy a bunch of Teslas.

A little too light on cash to entertain that possibility? Then, how about an Elon Musk Bobblehead phone dock, at only $69.95? https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/elon-musk-bobblehead-phone-dock.73932/

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Re: What can WE do to make Elon's Mars dream a reality?
« Reply #75 on: 09/30/2016 04:24 pm »


Practically all government expenditure produce jobs and votes.  Tax cuts also produce jobs and votes.  It is a fallacy that government programs like SLS produce jobs.

It produces jobs and votes in key states.  I am just stating reality.  I do not support SLS. 

   

The question is where is the money best spent. 

Where the most votes are

If Elon wants to make his dream a reality, he should start playing the political game. It wouldn't hurt to put a factory on the Alabama coast and setup engineers in Huntsville.

SpaceX will assemble ITS at KSC, so he's got Florida covered.

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Re: What can WE do to make Elon's Mars dream a reality?
« Reply #76 on: 09/30/2016 05:52 pm »
There are some mundane little technical details that underlie Elon's big vision. Deeply cryogenic propellant transfer, for example. NASA could -- and probably should -- fund the advancement of that kind of technology. And probably has.

http://www.nasa.gov/offices/oct/home/roadmaps/index.html

The level at which OCT presents the ideas in those roadmaps make them approachable even for non-technical readers.

As for what you can do? Next time someone is loudly bragging about how BIG their SLS rocket will be, quietly ask them, "Can it do propellant transfer of any sort?"
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Re: What can WE do to make Elon's Mars dream a reality?
« Reply #77 on: 09/30/2016 06:08 pm »
The likelihood of the US govt or any govt stepping in to pursue Mars colonization started by private efforts would depend on how successful and useful the private efforts are, how useful they show Mars to be, and whether rival govts are seen to be stepping in. While the US govt may have started the internet, its cyber-security efforts were primarily directed at protecting its own assets, while private operators were left to take care of themselves, turning to the private sector for solutions. But eventually the US govt and other govts have become involved in policing or investigating malicious cyber-attacks. If Mars colonization takes off, and there are rivalries and disputes, then it increases the odds of govts stepping in.

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Re: What can WE do to make Elon's Mars dream a reality?
« Reply #78 on: 09/30/2016 07:01 pm »
Some thoughts/ideas:

. Remember that this is an interplanetary transport. Maybe a bit too much focus on just Mars so far, more selling of the potential versatility.
. SpaceX issued credit card? I would sign up and use it. PayPal experience might pay off with this one too.
. Kickstarter is a great idea.
. Pre-sell tickets like Virgin did, but make good on it!
. Volunteer at SpaceX?
. Hold a raffle? Tickets should be expensive, like $100 or more. Winner gets two free tickets to Mars!
. Get sponsors to put their name and/or logo on the booster and/or the ship. (I keep seeing Viagra painted down the side of that monster and it makes me chuckle)
. At the supermarket checkout lanes we have those pull off scannable tags to donate $1, $3, or $5 to various things. How about a SpaceX one? I would put in $5 every time I purchase groceries.
. Ask the new PayPal owners if they would straight up donate a penny per transaction to the cause, for old-time sake and possibly the future of humanity.
. Get one of the various fuel companies to supply the methane for free, maybe for a logo on the side.
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Re: What can WE do to make Elon's Mars dream a reality?
« Reply #79 on: 09/30/2016 07:58 pm »
Some thoughts/ideas:

. Remember that this is an interplanetary transport. Maybe a bit too much focus on just Mars so far, more selling of the potential versatility.
. SpaceX issued credit card? I would sign up and use it. PayPal experience might pay off with this one too.
. Kickstarter is a great idea.
. Pre-sell tickets like Virgin did, but make good on it!
. Volunteer at SpaceX?
. Hold a raffle? Tickets should be expensive, like $100 or more. Winner gets two free tickets to Mars!
. Get sponsors to put their name and/or logo on the booster and/or the ship. (I keep seeing Viagra painted down the side of that monster and it makes me chuckle)
. At the supermarket checkout lanes we have those pull off scannable tags to donate $1, $3, or $5 to various things. How about a SpaceX one? I would put in $5 every time I purchase groceries.
. Ask the new PayPal owners if they would straight up donate a penny per transaction to the cause, for old-time sake and possibly the future of humanity.

The rest of the US would rather spend their money more wisely on other things. 

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