SpaceX Falcon 9 - AMOS-6 - (Pad Failure) - DISCUSSION THREAD (2)

[Stranger]

Okay SpaceX and why NASA is silent about the progress of the investigation? NASA is involved in the investigation?

[Jim]

Okay SpaceX and why NASA is silent about the progress of the investigation? NASA is involved in the investigation?

It is Spacex's task and they are responsible for releasing information

[Herb Schaltegger]

Okay SpaceX and why NASA is silent about the progress of the investigation? NASA is involved in the investigation?

NASA wasn't a customer on this mission, and it wasn't launchd from a NASA facility.

[Stranger]

Okay SpaceX and why NASA is silent about the progress of the investigation? NASA is involved in the investigation?

NASA wasn't a customer on this mission, and it wasn't launchd from a NASA facility.

OK,
but this damage is caused by NASA's interests and affect the timing of NASA

[Space Ghost 1962]

Okay SpaceX and why NASA is silent about the progress of the investigation? NASA is involved in the investigation?

NASA wasn't a customer on this mission, and it wasn't launchd from a NASA facility.

OK,
but this damage is caused by NASA's interests and affect the timing of NASA

Government missions rely on the LV. They insist on insight into all aspects of vehicle operation/anomalies. So yes they must be aware of the problem. Even members of Congress have insisted on further investigation, possibly for own agenda, but none the less, like with Atlas and its engine anomaly, yes, many parties have an eye on things.

How could they not?

[Stranger]

Government missions rely on the LV. They insist on insight into all aspects of vehicle operation/anomalies. So yes they must be aware of the problem. Even members of Congress have insisted on further investigation, possibly for own agenda, but none the less, like with Atlas and its engine anomaly, yes, many parties have an eye on things.

How could they not?

I'm sorry, that is LV?

[Space Ghost 1962]

Government missions rely on the LV. They insist on insight into all aspects of vehicle operation/anomalies. So yes they must be aware of the problem. Even members of Congress have insisted on further investigation, possibly for own agenda, but none the less, like with Atlas and its engine anomaly, yes, many parties have an eye on things.

How could they not?

I'm sorry, that is LV?

LV means Launch Vehicle. In this case Falcon 9. If it goes "boom" others need to know "why" specifically.

[DaveS]

Government missions rely on the LV. They insist on insight into all aspects of vehicle operation/anomalies. So yes they must be aware of the problem. Even members of Congress have insisted on further investigation, possibly for own agenda, but none the less, like with Atlas and its engine anomaly, yes, many parties have an eye on things.

How could they not?

I'm sorry, that is LV?

LV = Launch Vehicle, AKA the rocket.

[Stranger]

Thank you. Now it is clear 
I'm from Russia. We call it "Ракета-носитель"

[DaveS]

Okay SpaceX and why NASA is silent about the progress of the investigation? NASA is involved in the investigation?

NASA wasn't a customer on this mission, and it wasn't launchd from a NASA facility.

OK,
but this damage is caused by NASA's interests and affect the timing of NASA

Government missions rely on the LV. They insist on insight into all aspects of vehicle operation/anomalies. So yes they must be aware of the problem. Even members of Congress have insisted on further investigation, possibly for own agenda, but none the less, like with Atlas and its engine anomaly, yes, many parties have an eye on things.

How could they not?

Well, they could have a point here. Isn't Congress the real top-level for federal money? In that case, they might be feeling a bit of unease considering two catastrophic failures that destroyed the payload in 16 months. See Wayne Hale's latest blog post, Rule#3: https://waynehale.wordpress.com/2016/10/01/accident-investigations/

Does anyone know if SpaceX did have a disinterested third party check their conclusions re: CRS-7? AFAIK, there was no totally independent third party involved in that investigation, just the FAA, NASA and the USAF. All of them connected to SpaceX in some form or another.

[Space Ghost 1962]

Okay SpaceX and why NASA is silent about the progress of the investigation? NASA is involved in the investigation?

NASA wasn't a customer on this mission, and it wasn't launchd from a NASA facility.

OK,
but this damage is caused by NASA's interests and affect the timing of NASA

Government missions rely on the LV. They insist on insight into all aspects of vehicle operation/anomalies. So yes they must be aware of the problem. Even members of Congress have insisted on further investigation, possibly for own agenda, but none the less, like with Atlas and its engine anomaly, yes, many parties have an eye on things.

How could they not?

Well, they could have a point here.

"They" meaning AF and NASA certainly have a point as the post states.

Isn't Congress the real top-level for federal money?

Congress however doesn't have a point.

Congress oversights AF and NASA. It expects them to do their jobs, which include making sure that a LV is up to the task of handling a government launch contract.

If it thinks this is not being done well, its supposed to be  the case that it investigates then the AF and the NASA.

That's how government is supposed to work. As your civics class in high school should have done.

Congress can also be used as a political "tool". With a highly polarized country, just about everything is being used as a tool.

But that is not how things are designed to work.

[Stranger]

whether held next start SpaceX without the final report on the accident on September 1?

[mfck]

Does anyone know if SpaceX did have a disinterested third party check their conclusions re: CRS-7? AFAIK, there was no totally independent third party involved in that investigation, just the FAA, NASA and the USAF. All of them connected to SpaceX in some form or another.

ISTM there is no party possessing such authority and competence while being completely clear of any conflict of interest.

[SLC17A5]

whether held next start SpaceX without the final report on the accident on September 1?

My understanding of your question is: "Will SpaceX launch their next mission without the final report on the accident of September 1?" (I am not making fun: your English is much better than my Russian, but I want to make sure we have the right understanding of your question.)

There is an essential thread covering the US launch schedule at http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=8184.1140 -- this thread updates very rapidly with any form of real news on launch dates.

Iridium is the next scheduled launch and they have tweeted that they do not want to launch until SpaceX has made a root cause determination. See http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=35112.msg1583414#msg1583414

[CameronD]

Since the ASDS Bingo thread for AMOS-6 didn't exactly get off the ground (excuse the pun), how about this for an idea:  Whoever is first to correctly guess the cause of this incident, wins the prize.

[Stranger]

whether held next start SpaceX without the final report on the accident on September 1?

My understanding of your question is: "Will SpaceX launch their next mission without the final report on the accident of September 1?" (I am not making fun: your English is much better than my Russian, but I want to make sure we have the right understanding of your question.)

absolutely right    Thank you

[Stranger]

Iridium is the next scheduled launch and they have tweeted that they do not want to launch until SpaceX has made a root cause determination. See http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=35112.msg1583414#msg1583414

OK,
and if Iridium say - go / "поехали", the launch of "Iridium Next Flight 1 (x10), MicroSat-1a, MicroSat-1b" can take place even in "Vandenberg December" without a final report on the accident on September 1?
And NASA will not object?

"NET  December - Iridium Next Flight 1 (x10), MicroSat-1a, MicroSat-1b - Falcon 9-030 - Vandenberg SLC-4E"

[woods170]

Grasping for straws comes to mind

More likely explanation is bad journalism.

That was in response to Spacex asking to look on top of the SMARF.

More likely working a very extensive fault-tree.

[jgoldader]

Grasping for straws comes to mind

More likely explanation is bad journalism.

That was in response to Spacex asking to look on top of the SMARF.

More likely working a very extensive fault-tree.

If they go looking into the "sabotage" box on the fault tree, people laugh and call them paranoid.  If they don't go looking into the "sabotage" box, they would be called incompetent. 

Personally, I expect that even if the sabotage box is empty (which is probably most likely) they'll learn some way to improve their procedures.  I've been trying to manage two small (big for us, small for everybody else) IT projects at work, and the problems all came from people not following procedures.  BTW, and it's not off-thread, I do trust we all read Wayne Hale's latest blog post.

[rsdavis9]

BTW, and it's not off-thread, I do trust we all read Wayne Hale's latest blog post.

Yes very good post about accident investigation.