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Offline MissionControl

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With the continual success of commercial crew program in the USA.

Why can't the model be emulated by other space agencies worldwide and drive costs down. It seems to work well and SpaceX might indeed make it to Mars first.

But of course this is a us government only program.

Why not have programs from other countries?

Also why not say in my country Australia or Canada can't we have say I don't know a Mitsubishi rocket space plant for our engineers to play with launching commercial rockets?

Why not gather resources to build a commercial rocketry from around the world than just the USA.

Sure there is a few others like Virgin Galactic and Rocketdyne but it is very minimal compared to what could be done with the help of other major powers in the world.

So yeah my question is when do we get our Russian, Indian, Japanese, Korean, Brazillian and Chinese SpaceX/Blue Origins/ Sierra Nevada Corporations/ULAs?

Imagine how quickly we could get back to sending humans to the moon and mars this way?
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With the continual success of commercial crew program in the USA.



What success?
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Offline Jim

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Why not gather resources to build a commercial rocketry from around the world than just the USA.



It means the somebody other than governments have to provide the funding.
Commercial means that governments are not involved.
Commercial means that somebody thinks that money can be made.

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So yeah my question is when do we get our Russian, Indian, Japanese, Korean, Brazillian and Chinese SpaceX/Blue Origins/ Sierra Nevada Corporations/ULAs?
There are many new rocket startups around the world on almost every continent. You gotta walk before you can run though.
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Offline Toast

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First, we should mention that Commercial Crew is still a few years out from launch, and that when you add up all the costs of the program, it won't be saving NASA all that much (if any) money as compared to launching with the Russians on Soyuz.
Commercial Cargo is further along, and we've got ATK and SpaceX launching to the ISS currently. That's been significantly more successful, but it's had a few very prominent setbacks (both companies have had a launch vehicle failure). As far as cargo, though, Japan, Europe, and Russia all have vehicles going to the ISS currently. There's not much incentive for them to fund the development of competitors to products their government already paid to develop.

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Welcome to the forum!


Thanks!

I guess for ATK and SpaceX the best thing to come out of the Comercial Crew Development Program so far is a highly effective reusable rocket (Falcon 9) and finally some actual US Cargo Launchers.

There is also the question of NASA's funding structure. After all NASA have had plans in the past for reusable Saturn V's and originally the space shuttle was not intended to involve expendable launch vehicles.

And you have to say private contractors have been involved since NASA's formation and Apollo program was manufactured by private contractors.

I guess in a sense a startup seems to be able to provide a unique company structure to do things a normal public company wouldn't be willing to do and has some separation from government.

As for current ones around the world. Yeah surprisingly there are quite a few startups almost everywhere.

Sometimes they can have sources of government funding.

E.g.
http://bloostar.com/


This rockoon launch system has funding from the EU's European Commission. I understand that rockoon's have some significant downsides but it is an example of public investment in space startups.

And certainly a lot of these rocket startups involve ex-NASA engineers which in  a way is government funded investment in personnel to create such startups.

And there is also of course with Google Lunar XPrize maybe not startups but publicly funded university projects such as the Israeli team creating a lunar rover similair to what NASA has been doing but through the university structure they have to compete for funds and the projects are not being dictated by a congress/parliamentary legislature . Every step of the way.

These startups might be a fair way off super heavy lift launch vehicles like SLS's, Saturn V's, Long March 9's or even Big Falcon Rocket/Heavy and Angara A5 at the moment but I guess it is a start and if the technology improves exponentially we will start to see some interesting things happen quite dramatically much like with computers.

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The fact that you seem surprised about the number of startups and the current status of GLXP makes me think you have a lot of catching up to do on this forum. Also, don't confuse commercial crew, commercial cargo and SpaceX' own ambitions, which have very different goals.

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