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#160
by
Monomorphic
on 31 Aug, 2016 20:37
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I also performed another 5-minute unpowered run with magnetic tap tests in both directions. This is the first time I have been able to monitor vertical beam displacement (what would be thermal lifting during powered tests). The second image is zoomed into the vertical beam displacement so you can see just how sensitive these Laser Displacement Sensors (LDS) are - able to detect minute vibrations.
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#161
by
spupeng7
on 31 Aug, 2016 22:11
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Well there is the problem:
Thrust without exhaust is of course impossible.
So lets avoid consideration that the EmDrive gained momentum is at the expense of EM wave lost momentum as the internal EM wave experiences red shift from lost EM wave momentum.
Debate this all you wish as I will not engage until my data is ready to be published.
Why would that be?
Momentum can be conserved without thrust.
When I fall towards Earth, there's no exhaust, but Earth compensates by falling just a little bit towards me.
If this magic drive somehow make the entire mass in the universe accelerate opposite of the ship, then it's fine. Or maybe every particle in the universe, in some proportion to its distance, so nearer particles get more "tug".
I'm not attempting to explain the EM drive, just to say that "exhaust-less" is not the same as "reaction-less".
Thank you meekGee,
if all charges interact, and it is hard to imagine that they do not, then there is a mechanism of action for the emdrive which would be easy to define. The problem with this explanation is that the instant reaction of inertia requires the propulsive action of the emdrive to be instant at cosmic distances. This is only possible if time is complex, which it must be if physics is ever to be resolved as a seamless explanation for our observations.
John Newell..
Link to previously posted amateur paper on the subject.
http://www.bloomfieldeducation.com/resources/PDF38.pdf
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#162
by
keithpickering
on 31 Aug, 2016 22:31
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Whereas 100KW sounds like a lot of power. In the grand scheme it really isn't. We've created wind turbines and diesel generators that create more power than that. 1 mechanical horsepower is about 734 Watts, so a 100hp engine (like your car, except most cars produce more) creates 73,400 Watts of power.
On earth, 100KW isn't much. In space, it's enormous. You would be hard pressed to find any satellite that generates even 2 KW. Only the ISS, the largest spacecraft in history, can manage 100 KW.
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#163
by
Elmar Moelzer
on 31 Aug, 2016 22:50
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On earth, 100KW isn't much. In space, it's enormous. You would be hard pressed to find any satellite that generates even 2 KW. Only the ISS, the largest spacecraft in history, can manage 100 KW.
About 500 kg worth of solar panels, I would estimate. Of course it would be more if you are planning to go to mars and beyond.
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#164
by
SeeShells
on 31 Aug, 2016 23:07
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The concave-convex optical cavity setup yields the strongest E-fields.
NICE WORK Monomorfic!
Would you please do one more with a flat Small End and a curved Big End? Please please please. 
Best,
Shell
Surprisingly, a little better with small end flat.
Super!! Thanks so very much for that run monomorfic, you nailed it. It's what I've been seeing and wasn't sure if it was a measure fluke or my numbers were off.
My Very Best,
Shell
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#165
by
D_Dom
on 31 Aug, 2016 23:27
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Shell, Don't keep us guessing!
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#166
by
Slyver
on 31 Aug, 2016 23:38
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Shell, Don't keep us guessing!
^This
While I appreciate your discretion, man, are you killing us (me)! At the same time, these little hints are appreciated.
Keep up the good work!
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#167
by
Stan-1967
on 31 Aug, 2016 23:41
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On earth, 100KW isn't much. In space, it's enormous. You would be hard pressed to find any satellite that generates even 2 KW. Only the ISS, the largest spacecraft in history, can manage 100 KW.
About 500 kg worth of solar panels, I would estimate. Of course it would be more if you are planning to go to mars and beyond.
ATK puts a 100kW space based system at just under 1000kg.
https://www.orbitalatk.com/space-systems/space-components/solar-arrays/docs/FS007_15_OA_3862%20UltraFlex.pdfThat's with state of the art triple junction cells. I think I recall GEO sats have power capability well in excess of 2kw for at least couple decades.
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#168
by
SeeShells
on 31 Aug, 2016 23:53
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Shell, Don't keep us guessing!
OK I Understand. Does it help if I say, "It works." Although that statement needs to be backed up at a high level.
Truthfully, I'm not ready to release data yet, although it is good data I still have more testing and configurations to do. I will say I am chasing a very different theory or a mix of theories and it's all good.
Hang in there, please. I'm working as hard as I can with what I have.
Best,
Shell
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#169
by
FattyLumpkin
on 01 Sep, 2016 01:03
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Shell, right along with what you've been saying about the flat small diameter and spherical large diameter! Kudos to both you and Monomorphic!!!!
I see TT was on several pages back, I did inquire (asked Traveller) about the construction of his frustums, He told me was having difficultly with the professionals getting the exact specs down on his builds, and that there would be a delay until early 2017. His builds are elaborate, and I can see why there might be difficulties in fabrication. I do have some experience in this.
****Does anyone know what Journal and when we might finally see the paper?****
This report, that the paper will soon be published, flies in the face of many claims made here at NSF. Don't know who to believe now. Does anyone know what the source is?
Perhaps Dr. Rodal is laying low because of the imminent publication of the paper (This would make sense in many ways). Cheers
FL
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#170
by
JBF
on 01 Sep, 2016 01:58
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Shell, right along with what you've been saying about the flat small diameter and spherical large diameter! Kudos to both you and Monomorphic!!!!
I see TT was on several pages back, I did inquire (asked Traveller) about the construction of his frustums, He told me was having difficultly with the professionals getting the exact specs down on his builds, and that there would be a delay until early 2017. His builds are elaborate, and I can see why there might be difficulties in fabrication. I do have some experience in this.
****Does anyone know what Journal and when we might finally see the paper?****
This report, that the paper will soon be published, flies in the face of many claims made here at NSF. Don't know who to believe now. Does anyone know what the source is?
Perhaps Dr. Rodal is laying low because of the imminent publication of the paper (This would make sense in many ways). Cheers FL
According to
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/emdrive-nasa-eagleworks-paper-has-finally-passed-peer-review-says-scientist-know-1578716 American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA).
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#171
by
SeeShells
on 01 Sep, 2016 02:29
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Shell, right along with what you've been saying about the flat small diameter and spherical large diameter! Kudos to both you and Monomorphic!!!!
I see TT was on several pages back, I did inquire (asked Traveller) about the construction of his frustums, He told me was having difficultly with the professionals getting the exact specs down on his builds, and that there would be a delay until early 2017. His builds are elaborate, and I can see why there might be difficulties in fabrication. I do have some experience in this.
****Does anyone know what Journal and when we might finally see the paper?****
This report, that the paper will soon be published, flies in the face of many claims made here at NSF. Don't know who to believe now. Does anyone know what the source is?
Perhaps Dr. Rodal is laying low because of the imminent publication of the paper (This would make sense in many ways). Cheers FL
The flat end was more a "gut" feeling from 50 years of smelling soldering flux.
If you're just a little past cutoff in the small end it forms its own spherical wall in the way it rounds off the cutoff. Also, it's a platform for other hardware I'm including in my build.
I can't speak for TT as I know he has faced some severe challenges in health and build. I wish him luck in both endeavors.
No, I have no idea of who will be publishing NASA's EW data. Dr. Rodal never wrote anything here that wasn't spot on or incorrect information, he's very detailed in that way. Personally, I believe his post that EagleWork's has seen something and is publishing it carries a lot of weight.
If it's above a Photon Rocket as he posted it is indeed great news fo the team at NASA and EagleWorks and the rest of us.
Comparison to a Photon Rocket...
http://emdrive.wiki/Experimental_Results
For a perfectly-collimated beam photon rocket, for example, a military searchlight acting as a photon rocket, the force per power input is as follows:
Photon Rocket Force / PowerInput = 1/c = 0.003336 mN/kW
This represents the force/PowerInput exerted by the radiation pressure of light in free space, which is not the same as the forces and momentum imparted to a massive object. If the results above are validated, the EM Drive would greatly exceed that ratio. However, this does not imply that an EM Drive could achieve steady constant acceleration for constant power input, as this is prevented by energy conservation.
It might mean new physics or a better understanding of physics is needed.
My Best,
Shell
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#172
by
SeeShells
on 01 Sep, 2016 02:33
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Shell, right along with what you've been saying about the flat small diameter and spherical large diameter! Kudos to both you and Monomorphic!!!!
I see TT was on several pages back, I did inquire (asked Traveller) about the construction of his frustums, He told me was having difficultly with the professionals getting the exact specs down on his builds, and that there would be a delay until early 2017. His builds are elaborate, and I can see why there might be difficulties in fabrication. I do have some experience in this.
****Does anyone know what Journal and when we might finally see the paper?****
This report, that the paper will soon be published, flies in the face of many claims made here at NSF. Don't know who to believe now. Does anyone know what the source is?
Perhaps Dr. Rodal is laying low because of the imminent publication of the paper (This would make sense in many ways). Cheers FL
According to http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/emdrive-nasa-eagleworks-paper-has-finally-passed-peer-review-says-scientist-know-1578716 American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA).
From their web page....
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#173
by
Elmar Moelzer
on 01 Sep, 2016 03:19
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#174
by
FattyLumpkin
on 01 Sep, 2016 04:24
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Does anyone know why the report of the paper being published was redacted/removed from this site? (and by whom?) : (
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#175
by
Bob Woods
on 01 Sep, 2016 04:35
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Does anyone know why the report of the paper being published was redacted? (and by whom?) : (
What are you talking about?
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#176
by
OnlyMe
on 01 Sep, 2016 05:06
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Does anyone know why the report of the paper being published was redacted? (and by whom?) : (
What report are your referring to? The original post here remains unchanged.., and it appears to be the source of all current speculation. As Shell pointed out Dr. Rodal's information in the past has been reliable... So perhaps the speculation is more when it will hit the street, than if...
It is my understanding that Eaglework's new paper has been today accepted for publication in a peer-review journal, where it will be published. I expect that Eagleworks should receive notification momentarily (it should be in the mail). Note: I have not heard this from anybody employed by NASA.
Congratulations to the Eagleworks team !!!!!!!!
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#177
by
DIYFAN
on 01 Sep, 2016 05:41
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Shell, looks like you are getting some love over on the "other" forum. Not sure if you even visit there anymore, but thought I'd give you a heads up.
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#178
by
FattyLumpkin
on 01 Sep, 2016 06:33
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Not off my game, just getting conflicting reports about Dr. Rodal's report re the EWL paper soon to be published...that is was redacted or removed from this site. I did not know where is post was located, but y'all have straitened me out...it's still there, and I did locate it.
I 'spect nay-sayers are making false claims and surmise they believe that there are positive findings in the paper for the EM effect. (Will just have to wait for publication to see)
Thank you all for the info.
FL
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#179
by
Flyby
on 01 Sep, 2016 07:28
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Just bumped into this one...
published yesterday...
FL
If you're just a little past cutoff in the small end it forms its own spherical wall in the way it rounds off the cutoff. Also, it's a platform for other hardware I'm including in my build.