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#1380 by as58 on 11 Oct, 2016 10:38
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I truly don't understand. For my (and probably many other's) benefit, can you answer the following question? Suppose EMDrive can provide thrust/power of 10^6/c and it is powered by a battery with energy content of 1 GJ. If the spacecraft (EMDrive+power supply) weighs 1000 kg, how fast will it be travelling after the battery is empty in the (inertial) frame where it starts at rest?
This question as stated makes no sense. The speed is not defined by the spent energy, but by the COM. You have to specify the speed of the reaction mass and calculate the speed of the rocket so that the overall mass center remains fixed.
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#1381 by Chrochne on 11 Oct, 2016 10:56
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http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/11/health/interstellar-travel-space-physics/index.html
and CNN still only mentions the Warp Drive concept of Dr. White back from 2014...I guess they still see EmDrive only as controversial drive. They actually never ever mentioned EmDrive. It can be kind of a shocker to the wide public and I presume it will only start more wild speculation when the paper is out...
I wonder if that paper coming out in December may change it.
Also an update to Mr. Traveller email from Mr. Shawyer. My sources are telling me that we should be checking IBTimes tomorrow. IBTimes reports on EmDrive are one of the best around.
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#1382 by Monomorphic on 11 Oct, 2016 13:14
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http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/11/health/interstellar-travel-space-physics/index.html
and CNN still only mentions the Warp Drive concept of Dr. White back from 2014...I guess they still see EmDrive only as controversial drive. They actually never ever mentioned EmDrive. It can be kind of a shocker to the wide public and I presume it will only start more wild speculation when the paper is out...
I wonder if that paper coming out in December may change it.
Also an update to Mr. Traveller email from Mr. Shawyer. My sources are telling me that we should be checking IBTimes tomorrow. IBTimes reports on EmDrive are one of the best around.
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#1383 by Flyby on 11 Oct, 2016 13:22
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For a moment I thought you were joking and referring to the StarTrek character...http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/11/health/interstellar-travel-space-physics/index.html
and CNN still only mentions the Warp Drive concept of Dr. White back from 2014...I guess they still see EmDrive only as controversial drive. They actually never ever mentioned EmDrive. It can be kind of a shocker to the wide public and I presume it will only start more wild speculation when the paper is out...
I wonder if that paper coming out in December may change it.
Also an update to Mr. Traveller email from Mr. Shawyer. My sources are telling me that we should be checking IBTimes tomorrow. IBTimes reports on EmDrive are one of the best around.
CNN's space science reporting has been crap ever since they got rid of Miles O'Brien.
But it turns out there is indeed a science journalist that has worked for CNN with that name....
Lost an arm due to a (silly) accident...damn...
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#1384 by TheTraveller on 11 Oct, 2016 13:43
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Bread crumb 1:
Interesting video:
Bread crumb 2:
GiloIndustriesGroup was founded by Giles/Gilo Cardozo.
They build flying machines, flying cars plus do work for aerospace companies like Boeing, etc
Bread crumb 3:
Giles Cardozo owns 60 shares of Universal Propulsion Ltd and SPR owns 40.
Roger Shawyer and Michael Sheridan are the directors of Universal Propulsion Ltd.
Question:
Will Giles/Gilo Cardozo be the 1st human to fly an EmDrive powered flying machine over Everest and maybe redo the Everest Quest that was denied him?
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#1385 by Rodal on 11 Oct, 2016 14:06
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Bread crumb 3:
Giles Cardozo owns 60 shares of Universal Propulsion Ltd and SPR owns 40.
Roger Shawyer and Michael Sheridan are the directors of Universal Propulsion Ltd....
Universal Propulsion incorporated 29th June 2016
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10257752/filing-history
pdf attached
Bread crumb 2:
GiloIndustriesGroup was founded by Giles/Gilo Cardozo.
They build flying machines, flying cars
Giles Cardozo "parajet skycar"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parajet_Skycar
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#1386 by Monomorphic on 11 Oct, 2016 14:08
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For a moment I thought you were joking and referring to the StarTrek character...http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/11/health/interstellar-travel-space-physics/index.html
and CNN still only mentions the Warp Drive concept of Dr. White back from 2014...I guess they still see EmDrive only as controversial drive. They actually never ever mentioned EmDrive. It can be kind of a shocker to the wide public and I presume it will only start more wild speculation when the paper is out...
I wonder if that paper coming out in December may change it.
Also an update to Mr. Traveller email from Mr. Shawyer. My sources are telling me that we should be checking IBTimes tomorrow. IBTimes reports on EmDrive are one of the best around.
CNN's space science reporting has been crap ever since they got rid of Miles O'Brien.
But it turns out there is indeed a science journalist that has worked for CNN with that name....
Lost an arm due to a (silly) accident...damn...
He was one of my favorite CNN correspondents until CNN got rid of their space science division some years ago. I see him every once in a while here in Atlanta. He has a metal pincher prosthetic. He now consults for them when there are aviation questions.
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#1387 by TheTraveller on 11 Oct, 2016 14:54
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Interesting recent interview with Gilo Cardozo:
"I do believe we will revolutionize personal transportation".
Maybe part Elon Musk, part Richard Branson and part Gilo Cardozo?
Now owner of 60% of Universal Propulsion Ltd and 40% via Roger Shawyer's SPR. Could be a very interesting Joint Venture. -
#1388 by flux_capacitor on 11 Oct, 2016 15:09
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Very interesting finding. The Gilo Industries Group (http://www.giloindustriesgroup.com) owns 4 Companies. Besides their flying motorized paragliders (https://www.parajet.com) and motoracing company (http://www.crightonracing.com), they also own Rotron Power Ltd. (http://www.rotronuav.com) which sells a range of advanced rotary engines especially made to power their vehicles as well as other UAV, drones and VTOL. Exactly like Moller International with the Rotapower engine for his Skycar (http://www.moller.com and http://freedom-motors.com). Rotary engines are classical combustion engines but are very compact and offer a high thrust/power ratio.
This conventional technology is however quite noisy and still uses fossil fuel.
Even more interesting, the 4th company is Gilo Industries Research Ltd. No public web site this time, but that description on its parent company page:QuoteThe pace of change is exponential, creating an imperative for Gilo Industries Group to build core competencies in envisioning the future and developing technology for long-term competitive advantage. Gilo Industries Research is the dedicated technology research and development (R&D) lab within the Gilo Group. Our R&D team explores new and emerging technologies to create a vision of how the Group will shape the future and invent the next wave of cutting-edge aerospace solutions.
Within Gilo Industries Research, innovation is not just a philosophy - it is how the team operates every day. Gilo Industries Research are a critical part of a life-cycle designed to continuously generate innovation, and scale it to improve the Group's service offerings and bring new ideas and opportunities to clients. Gilo Industries Research have an R&D process that provides structure and repeatability, taking pioneering technologies from a mere concept to a fully scalable solution.
If the EmDrive could work at least like ion thrusters it would revolutionise deep space travel allowing the colonisation of our solar system, but if it could also work as a 1g lift engine it would also revolutionise life here on Earth (and elsewhere) replacing all conventional vehicles with clean and silent VTOLs. Well, I need to stop dreaming for now…
Anyway, that lab seems to be a very good candidate for the manufacturing of EmDrive prototypes (phase 1-2) on behalf of SPR Ltd. And Universal Propulsion Inc. seems a very good candidate to produce and test working devices further.
Last but not least, the two companies, Gilo Industries and Universal Propulsion, are both located in the middle of nowhere at the exact same address, about 120 miles from London:
Lawn Farm Barns, Shaftesbury Road
Gillingham, Dorset SP8 5QP
England
http://www.datalog.co.uk/browse/detail.php/CompanyNumber/09431248/
http://www.datalog.co.uk/browse/detail.php/CompanyNumber/10257752/ -
#1389 by TheTraveller on 11 Oct, 2016 15:38
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Very interesting finding. The Gilo Industries Group (http://www.giloindustriesgroup.com) owns 4 Companies. Besides their flying motorized paragliders (https://www.parajet.com) and motoracing company (http://www.crightonracing.com), they also own Rotron Power Ltd. (http://www.rotronuav.com) which sells a range of advanced rotary engines especially made to power their vehicles as well as other UAV, drones and VTOL. Exactly like Moller International with the Rotapower engine for his Skycar (http://www.moller.com and http://freedom-motors.com). Rotary engines are classical combustion engines but are very compact and offer a high thrust/power ratio.
This conventional technology is however quite noisy and still uses fossil fuel.
Even more interesting, the 4th company is Gilo Industries Research Ltd. No public web site this time, but that description on its parent company page:QuoteThe pace of change is exponential, creating an imperative for Gilo Industries Group to build core competencies in envisioning the future and developing technology for long-term competitive advantage. Gilo Industries Research is the dedicated technology research and development (R&D) lab within the Gilo Group. Our R&D team explores new and emerging technologies to create a vision of how the Group will shape the future and invent the next wave of cutting-edge aerospace solutions.
Within Gilo Industries Research, innovation is not just a philosophy - it is how the team operates every day. Gilo Industries Research are a critical part of a life-cycle designed to continuously generate innovation, and scale it to improve the Group's service offerings and bring new ideas and opportunities to clients. Gilo Industries Research have an R&D process that provides structure and repeatability, taking pioneering technologies from a mere concept to a fully scalable solution.
If the EmDrive could work at least like ion thrusters it would revolutionise deep space travel allowing the colonisation of our solar system, but if it could also work as a 1g lift engine it would also revolutionise life here on Earth (and elsewhere) replacing all conventional vehicles with clean and silent VTOLs. Well, I need to stop dreaming for now…
Anyway, that lab seems to be a very good candidate for the manufacturing of EmDrive prototypes (phase 1-2) on behalf of SPR Ltd. And Universal Propulsion Inc. seems a very good candidate to produce and test working devices further.
Last but not least, the two companies, Gilo Industries and Universal Propulsion, are both located in the middle of nowhere at the exact same address, about 120 miles from London:
Lawn Farm Barns, Shaftesbury Road
Gillingham, Dorset SP8 5QP
England
http://www.datalog.co.uk/browse/detail.php/CompanyNumber/09431248/
http://www.datalog.co.uk/browse/detail.php/CompanyNumber/10257752/
Add SkyBike Technologies Ltd
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/06455570
Nature of business (SIC)
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#1390 by Monomorphic on 11 Oct, 2016 15:45
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"I do believe we will revolutionize personal transportation".
Maybe part Elon Musk, part Richard Branson and part Gilo Cardozo?
Now owner of 60% of Universal Propulsion Ltd and 40% via Roger Shawyer's SPR. Could be a very interesting Joint Venture.
I'll say it. Sounds like they could be working on a flying car. Though the name "Universal Propulsion Limited" implies that perhaps they will be working on an emdrive engine framework that can be used in various applications. -
#1391 by TheTraveller on 11 Oct, 2016 15:49
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"I do believe we will revolutionize personal transportation".
Maybe part Elon Musk, part Richard Branson and part Gilo Cardozo?
Now owner of 60% of Universal Propulsion Ltd and 40% via Roger Shawyer's SPR. Could be a very interesting Joint Venture.
I'll say it. Sounds like they could be working on a flying car. Though the name "Universal Propulsion Limited" implies that perhaps they will be working on an emdrive engine framework that can be used in various applications.
Wonder if Gilo is the UK aerospace company Roger said he was working with on the cryo EmDrive? They claim to do aerospace work with companies like Boeing.
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#1392 by TheTraveller on 11 Oct, 2016 15:51
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Last but not least, the two companies, Gilo Industries and Universal Propulsion, are both located in the middle of nowhere at the exact same address, about 120 miles from London:
Lawn Farm Barns, Shaftesbury Road
Gillingham, Dorset SP8 5QP
England
That address is the home of Michael Kenneth Sheridan. He is a director and Secretary of SPR and now also Universal Propulsion.
Several of the Gilo group companies have that registered address.
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/xX8x4BZGbu2SpXiTyF-2wl5fr_w/appointments
GILO TECHNOLOGIES LIMITED (09431248)
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09431248
GILO INDUSTRIES RESEARCH LIMITED (07278024)
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/07278024
SKYBIKE INTERNATIONAL LTD (06599124)
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/06599124
SKYBIKE LTD (06619374)
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/06619374
SKYBIKE TECHNOLOGIES LIMITED (06455570)
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/06455570
Registered as a Manufacture of air and spacecraft and related machinery.
Which would make SkyBike Technologies Ltd a UK Aerospace company
With the same registered office as Universal Propulsion Ltd.
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#1393 by Monomorphic on 11 Oct, 2016 15:56
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Last but not least, the two companies, Gilo Industries and Universal Propulsion, are both located in the middle of nowhere at the exact same address, about 120 miles from London:
Lawn Farm Barns, Shaftesbury Road
Gillingham, Dorset SP8 5QP
England
That address is the home of Michael Kenneth Sheridan. He is a director and Secretary of SPR and now also Universal Propulsion.
Several of the Gilo group companies have that registered address.
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/xX8x4BZGbu2SpXiTyF-2wl5fr_w/appointments
I had it wrong, so I deleted that post. It was the SPR address that we found on google earth a while back that I believe is Michael Kenneth Sheridan's: Oakways, Tubbs Lane, Highclere, Newbury, Berkshire, RG20 9PQ -
#1394 by dustinthewind on 11 Oct, 2016 15:56
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Nice reference post! You make a lot of very good points.
Regarding points 1) and 3) above. The model is only considering the Vacuum Electromagnetic ZPF, not the Dirac ZPF or the Quark/Gluon field. However, all of them may be applicable in certain regions of interest, the physics that results in gravity is the same.
The point is, inside the frustum is an EM field, in addition to the EM ZPF. How can you say that "one" is defined as the Quantum Vacuum and the other is not? The EM field stored inside the frustum is more part of the vacuum than it is part of the frustum. The frustum has the currents and charge densities, but the field belongs to the vacuum side of the equations.
If you pour some water out of a pitcher and it falls on bare ground. We can say the Earth is also falling towards the water. This is how we consider conservation of momentum and energy. We say the water had potential energy above the surface of the Earth and that energy was lost when it fell, and converted to kinetic energy. Eventually, all the water is absorbed by the ground.
In my EM Drive Theory, the "empty" frustum has a CM, the field inside changes the CM. If more power is being dissipated at the big end, the field inside accelerates toward the big end. The frustum falls the other way until all the energy is dissipated at the big end.
If this were a change in the refractive index, how would you tell them apart?
Power = h*(f2s - f2b) Depicts a frequency shift due to refractive index.
Power = h*f2s(1 - Z2) Depicts a power loss due to an impedance Z.
I was criticized over on reddit, a place I rarely visit, because what I did is based on "similarity". This is absolutely true! If the Math equations are the same, then the behavior is the same. If the physics can be described by those equations and is indistinguishable from what is measured, then it's a perfectly good description of what's going on. Space-time curvature, Variable refractive index (VSL), Variable impedance or Variable damping, are ALL the same thing. They are just different interpretations of the same physics, using a simplified set of variables that are applicable to the problem at hand.
Todd
Thanks. So what your saying is that you think that it is the heat loss that is causing the variation of the index of the vacuum in the cavity which would make concept 3) not operate efficiently in a 100% superconducting cavity 1) and make both concepts be joined?
Or are we talking that the thermal gradient is the energy being lost via the accelerating vacuum instead?
Well, "heat loss" could be "any" loss of power from the field that encourages the CM of the field to propagate toward the big end. Another possibility could be mode shifting. Who knows? It could be energy dropping from TE-013, to TE-012, to TE-011 as it decays. That could also be considered a loss of power that would propagate the CM toward the rear.
I just had a thought! If the frustum is continuously charged with MW's such that the input and the losses are balanced at equilibrium, then the CM of the field should be stable. If that happens, then the CM of the frustum is not going to move either. To have thrust and not violate CoM, we need the CM of the field inside falling toward the rear, so that the CM of the copper will fall forward. If this conjecture holds, then the frustum should be pulsed. Charged to it's maximum capacity and then allowed to discharge.
Didn't some of rfmwguy's results show the thrust peaking after the RF was shut off? This needs to be correlated with a port reading of what is going on inside after the RF is shut off.
Ok so I guess your equation accepts the possibility that the cavity could be interacting with and losing energy to the Quantum Vacuum which may be possible even in a 100% superconducting cavity. As long as there is energy being lost via some medium. So you would agree if it was "energy being lost to the vacuum" that suspending the device in an insulated heat bath and comparing energy in, to the rise in temperature of the water, may result in a discrepancy in energy accumulated in the heat bath?
One of the reasons I lean towards this is because of the measurement of the pill shaped cavity with no asymmetry and their picking up space time distortions from it suggest that maybe it was the energy density inside the cavity that was inducing some change in the vacuum. -
#1395 by TheTraveller on 11 Oct, 2016 16:18
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Last but not least, the two companies, Gilo Industries and Universal Propulsion, are both located in the middle of nowhere at the exact same address, about 120 miles from London:
Lawn Farm Barns, Shaftesbury Road
Gillingham, Dorset SP8 5QP
England
That address is the home of Michael Kenneth Sheridan. He is a director and Secretary of SPR and now also Universal Propulsion.
Several of the Gilo group companies have that registered address.
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/xX8x4BZGbu2SpXiTyF-2wl5fr_w/appointments
I had it wrong, so I deleted that post. It was the SPR address that we found on google earth a while back that I believe is Michael Kenneth Sheridan's: Oakways, Tubbs Lane, Highclere, Newbury, Berkshire, RG20 9PQ
There seems to be 7 companies at that address. All with Giles, aka Gilo Cardozo as director or the major shareholder:
http://www.endole.co.uk/explorer/company/postcode/sp8-5qp -
#1396 by Monomorphic on 11 Oct, 2016 16:21
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Last but not least, the two companies, Gilo Industries and Universal Propulsion, are both located in the middle of nowhere at the exact same address, about 120 miles from London:
Lawn Farm Barns, Shaftesbury Road
Gillingham, Dorset SP8 5QP
England
That address is the home of Michael Kenneth Sheridan. He is a director and Secretary of SPR and now also Universal Propulsion.
Several of the Gilo group companies have that registered address.
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/xX8x4BZGbu2SpXiTyF-2wl5fr_w/appointments
I had it wrong, so I deleted that post. It was the SPR address that we found on google earth a while back that I believe is Michael Kenneth Sheridan's: Oakways, Tubbs Lane, Highclere, Newbury, Berkshire, RG20 9PQ
There seems to be 7 companies at that address. All with Giles, aka Gilo Cardozo as director or the major shareholder:
http://www.endole.co.uk/explorer/company/postcode/sp8-5qp
"Lawn Farm Barns, Shaftesbury Road Gillingham, Dorset SP8 5QP" is a large house in the country with a large workshop. Has to be Gilo's home.
"Oakways, Tubbs Lane, Highclere, Newbury, Berkshire, RG20 9PQ" is Michael Kenneth Sheridan. I found this address for the first time listed as Roger's: 31 The Drive, Emsworth, Hampshire, PO10 8JP
They are using their home addresses and keeping the location of the lab secret as far as I can tell.
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#1397 by WarpTech on 11 Oct, 2016 16:30
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Well, "heat loss" could be "any" loss of power from the field that encourages the CM of the field to propagate toward the big end. Another possibility could be mode shifting. Who knows? It could be energy dropping from TE-013, to TE-012, to TE-011 as it decays. That could also be considered a loss of power that would propagate the CM toward the rear.
I just had a thought! If the frustum is continuously charged with MW's such that the input and the losses are balanced at equilibrium, then the CM of the field should be stable. If that happens, then the CM of the frustum is not going to move either. To have thrust and not violate CoM, we need the CM of the field inside falling toward the rear, so that the CM of the copper will fall forward. If this conjecture holds, then the frustum should be pulsed. Charged to it's maximum capacity and then allowed to discharge.
Didn't some of rfmwguy's results show the thrust peaking after the RF was shut off? This needs to be correlated with a port reading of what is going on inside after the RF is shut off.
Ok so I guess your equation accepts the possibility that the cavity could be interacting with and losing energy to the Quantum Vacuum which may be possible even in a 100% superconducting cavity. As long as there is energy being lost via some medium. So you would agree if it was "energy being lost to the vacuum" that suspending the device in an insulated heat bath and comparing energy in, to the rise in temperature of the water, may result in a discrepancy in energy accumulated in the heat bath?
One of the reasons I lean towards this is because of the measurement of the pill shaped cavity with no asymmetry and their picking up space time distortions from it suggest that maybe it was the energy density inside the cavity that was inducing some change in the vacuum.
I don't know of any mechanism that would allow the vacuum to dissipate power at MW frequencies, unless those waves are doing work on the vacuum. So far, I have not seen any evidence of this. IMO the EM field is doing work on the frustum.
Regarding the laser and the pill box, I would not put too much stock into this experiment until it's been replicated and verified. The effect is so small, it could simply be refractive index distortion from hot air, like you see on a highway on a hot day. It was not done in a vacuum.
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#1398 by Bob Woods on 11 Oct, 2016 16:33
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Miles still works and can be seen reporting on PBS News Hour and I think also is doing stories for Nova.
He was one of my favorite CNN correspondents until CNN got rid of their space science division some years ago. I see him every once in a while here in Atlanta. He has a metal pincher prosthetic. He now consults for them when there are aviation questions.
He is very good.
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#1399 by Notsosureofit on 11 Oct, 2016 18:04
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Just a memory jog here:
Some 60's sounding rockets measured the impedance of the atmosphere as they traveled upward. Perhaps there may exist some free space data of antenna impedance change under acceleration, or at least a calculation of same.
Edit: complex impedance, the match included a discreet element delay line
