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Offline Blackjax

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Neumann Space
« on: 08/13/2016 07:56 pm »
I was listening to a Space Show interview
http://www.thespaceshow.com/show/02-aug-2016/broadcast-2749-patrick-paddy-neumann

with the founder of Neumann Space
http://www.neumannspace.com/

They seem really interesting.  The basic idea is that they are working on an approach to electric propulsion that is different from Ion Drives or Hall Thrusters that has the benefit of systems simplicity, long life, solid inexpensive fuel which can be easily derived via ISRU, and good ISP.  Looks really intriguing, I hope it works out.

As an aside, the blog on their site is fun to read because there is a lot of humor running through it.

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Re: Neumann Space
« Reply #1 on: 08/13/2016 11:45 pm »
Thanks for posting, I hadn't heard of this effort.

Cliff notes: they are still doing fairly basic research at TRL 4. It works by triggering pulsed arcs of electricity into the cathode (the 'fuel'), which ejects small amounts of material from the cathode at high velocity as plasma, which is the reaction mass. Not fully clear how they direct the plasma to maximize impulse.
They appear to be getting medium to very high Isp in the lab, but have much higher electrical power requirements than Hall or gridded and also need sizable capacitor banks to drive the arcs.
They are billing the cheap / robust / easy to ISRU fuel as the main selling point; e.g send up a space furnace to melt down some human space junk. This doesn't seem super compelling to me as a near term benefit.
They have numerous issues to work through to bring it to reality but it is potentially very interesting.

overview: http://www.neumannspace.com/p/science.html

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Re: Neumann Space
« Reply #2 on: 08/26/2016 06:57 pm »
Thanks for posting, I hadn't heard of this effort.

Cliff notes: they are still doing fairly basic research at TRL 4. It works by triggering pulsed arcs of electricity into the cathode (the 'fuel'), which ejects small amounts of material from the cathode at high velocity as plasma, which is the reaction mass. Not fully clear how they direct the plasma to maximize impulse.
They appear to be getting medium to very high Isp in the lab, but have much higher electrical power requirements than Hall or gridded and also need sizable capacitor banks to drive the arcs.
They are billing the cheap / robust / easy to ISRU fuel as the main selling point; e.g send up a space furnace to melt down some human space junk. This doesn't seem super compelling to me as a near term benefit.
They have numerous issues to work through to bring it to reality but it is potentially very interesting.

overview: http://www.neumannspace.com/p/science.html

did you hear the interview at SpaceShow? Very good interview.

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Re: Neumann Space
« Reply #3 on: 10/02/2016 01:54 pm »
Seems like this effort is actually going somewhere, they just signed on with Airbus to fly a test version of their drive to the ISS

http://www.parabolicarc.com/2016/09/30/airbus/

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Re: Neumann Space
« Reply #4 on: 10/03/2016 11:35 am »
Micro carthode arc thruster, this type of thruster have been studied in lab for years, and on Phonesat Cubesat in 2013.

It enables small cubesats to have large orbit manuver capabilities, and eventually launching a large constellation in one rocket.

Congratulations it have been put into commercial development.

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Re: Neumann Space
« Reply #5 on: 08/08/2019 01:56 pm »
Some fresh news about Neumann Space:

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Neumann Space moved to Lot Fourteen to join the rich ecosystem of key industry players made of Primes, SMEs and start-ups alongside Inovor Technologies and Myriota for example but also the SmartSatCRC and the Australian Space Agency set to move in later this year. Neumann Space looks forward to capitalising on the collaborative opportunities that such close proximity to a variety of valuable space stakeholders brings.

Neumann Space also raised $2,000,000 in seed funding this year with $850,000 sourced through the South Australian Department for Innovation and Skills’ Research, Commercialisation and Startup Fund available under the new model for entrepreneurship in South Australia called FIXE – the Future Industries Exchange for Entrepreneurship. The matched investment has been provided by Earth Space Robotics.

Finally Neumann Space signed a Memorandum of Understanding with Inovor Technologies to work together on an experimental mission that will demonstrate our respective capabilities allowing us to offer a turnkey cubesat solutions (inclusive of a propulsion system) for our customers.

https://neumannspace.com/huge-week-at-neumann-space/

https://spacewatch.global/2019/08/australias-neumann-space-boosts-adelaides-new-space-hub-at-lot-fourteen/

Well expecting more frequently news about this startups, now with the collaboration of the Australian Space Agency...
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Re: Neumann Space
« Reply #6 on: 05/19/2023 07:57 am »
21 April 2023 Neumann Space signs first commercial deal

Neumann Space will join a project which aims to use space junk as a fuel source

The first sale of the Neumann Drive®, joining Colorado-based CisLunar Industries to help progress a $US1.7M project funded by the US Space Force – America’s military arm tasked with operating in space. See article by Cameron England, in the Australian Business Review

https://neumannspace.com/neumann_space_signs_first_commercial_deal/
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Re: Neumann Space
« Reply #7 on: 10/19/2023 04:07 am »
Adelaide company Neumann Space is working with SpinLaunch to harden their Neuman Drive thruster! Paddy Neumann (who I know well) is the large guy with the beard.

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Re: Neumann Space
« Reply #8 on: 10/22/2023 02:29 pm »
Micro carthode arc thruster, this type of thruster have been studied in lab for years, and on Phonesat Cubesat in 2013.

It enables small cubesats to have large orbit manuver capabilities, and eventually launching a large constellation in one rocket.

Congratulations it have been put into commercial development.
First heard of this concept from Fairchild and IIRC a prototype flew on one of the Earth Resources Survey  satellites.

It's been around a loong time.  :(
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