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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #340 on: 09/10/2018 09:48 am »
An explanation on YouTube of the decisions made on Discovery and the new Picard series:



What a horrible mess... They should just collapse the whole post-Nemesis-crap into a transdimensional black hole of shame and never speak of it again. Then, start from scratch with Prime - and Prime only. The Picard series could (should!) be the beginning of that.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #341 on: 09/10/2018 02:02 pm »
I see some have been touting Joshua Jackson to replace Chris Pine as Kirk.

Jackson was one of the main contenders for the role in 2008 (he got Fringe instead). But I really think this is all just contract negotiation and Pine will probably sign on for both Star Trek 14 and Star Trek 15 (the Tarantino movie) when all is said and done.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #342 on: 09/10/2018 10:16 pm »
An explanation on YouTube of the decisions made on Discovery and the new Picard series:



Ah yes the great conspiracy to kill Star Trek.  ::) The video makes some interesting points, but it is all too steeped in "CBS hates fans" and other bizarre theorizing.

At this point adherence to Star Trek canon (specifically Star Trek 'prime') is what put Star Trek where it is now, running it into the ground. An ever shrinking fan base that cares more about canon than story and character is not what you can build something new on. The course correction for Star Trek should have happened 15-20 years ago. Any Star Trek set in the post-Nemesis universe if fundamentally uninteresting, since the baggage of canon and ever increasing God level technology makes dramatic storytelling a far more difficult thing to accomplish.

Star Trek Discovery sure isn't perfect - FAR from it - but at least it is trying something new. Sadly trying to tie it closer to canon in season 2 (Enterprise! Captain Pike!) is not what the show needs.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #343 on: 09/18/2018 10:18 am »
There's a guy at my work who thinks the only way Discovery makes sense, is to say its a simulation on a holodeck. I think that's simplistic and a cop-out, but I don't see any other way to explain its connection with the rest of the previously stated Star Trek universe.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #344 on: 09/18/2018 10:03 pm »
There's a guy at my work who thinks the only way Discovery makes sense, is to say its a simulation on a holodeck. I think that's simplistic and a cop-out, but I don't see any other way to explain its connection with the rest of the previously stated Star Trek universe.

Your friend overthinks it. It is just a dramatic show that is a bit different than previous treks. It stands on its own just like the previous shows did. They have all had issues with continuity with previous shows, this grand "star trek universe" primarily exists in the minds of its fans.

Just think of it as a different take on Star Trek. Similar ingredients, different outcome. That a fanbase which is so in tune with the possibilities of parallel realities/universes cannot accept this blows my mind.

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Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #345 on: 10/07/2018 08:56 pm »
New season two trailer. Looks like there has been some revamps since season one.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #346 on: 11/08/2018 06:10 pm »
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #347 on: 11/23/2018 07:58 pm »
I love self-contained story universes and consistent continuity, and at first I scoffed at Discovery as yet another unnecessary remake ruining the continuity that was built in TOS/Film/TNG/DS9/VOY. I loved how DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations" tied into TOS and addressed the different Klingons (can't say the same for how they further developed it in Enterprise, though) and it even treated the low-budget 60's design as simply different designs and fashions from a different decade (like Dax admiring the 23rd century design of her tricorder).

But I gave Discovery a chance at one point and it won me over. I just had to concede that it's not Roddenberry trek at all, and separate it from what I loved about other Trek. I feel that utopianism and Roddenberry's commandment that there be no interpersonal conflict are core aspects of traditional Trek, and Discovery is a sharp departure from that. Otherwise, it's smart and enjoyable, and very well-made.

I really loved the old Worf-style Klingons, and the grotesque baroque Klingons of DIS put me off at first, but they were well fleshed out over the course of the season (at least one aspect of them) and then we see on Q'onos it's actually almost cosmopolitan, with other aliens walking around, nobody seemed concerned that there were humans walking around.

I love the production design as well, something lacking even from the recent Trek movies (like using a brewery with concrete floors and massive I-beams as their engine room???) and just enough nods to old Trek mixed in.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #348 on: 11/24/2018 07:03 am »
I saw a trailer for season 2 today.  Looks interesting.  I'll be watching it.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #349 on: 12/15/2018 06:40 pm »
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #350 on: 01/15/2019 03:35 am »
1) Star Trek: Discovery Season 2 January 17.

2) Star Trek : Discovery spinoff, based on Michelle Yeoh's Capt. Phillipa Georgiou's adventures in Section 31.

3) Star Trek 4 (Abrams Kelvin-verse) cancelled.

https://deadline.com/2019/01/star-trek-spinoff-michelle-yeoh-philippa-georgiou-series-development-1202534747/

https://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/star-trek/278518/star-trek-4-canceled
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #351 on: 01/18/2019 11:31 pm »
Star Trek: Discovery's second season began last night with the episode "Brother".

Those of you who did not like (or worse) the first season might be very surprised. It seems like an entirely different show.

Picking up immediately from the end of Season 1 with the USS Enterprise in distress, "Brother" is fast-paced, has an interesting plot and is not as dark with a welcome injection of humor now and then. Two new series regulars (Anson Mount's Captain Pike and Tig Notaro's Engineer Reno) are introduced to replace those lost in Season 1. The 61-minute premiere episode had some of the highest production values I've ever seen on a TV series, setting up the two main plots of Season 2 (mysterious red beacons in space and a new Search for Spock -- who is heard but not yet seen) and best of all: no endless Klingon subtitles.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #352 on: 01/19/2019 12:11 am »
They had to change this show - and I think it is working so far. The first series was colourful and interesting, but frankly a bloody mess. The actors have settled into their characters, particularly Sonequa Martin-Green. And James Frain continues to be wonderful as Sarek. No one can replace Mark Lenard, the original Sarek of course. But Frain continues to have a quiet strength and mysteriousness about him, while managing to not be wooden and bland. What will make or break this show is the writing - scripts will always be the best special effect - and if they nod to, if not be a slave to previous Trek lore and canon then they will rebuild some trust and audience. Some people - including my Wife and a couple of close friends who are Trek fans - are determined to dislike this series. I'm rooting for it to improve and succeed. There's no reason it shouldn't.

I saw an interesting speculative video by Watch Mojo on YouTube. YouTube is usually full of foaming-at-the-mouth 'Discovery' haters and trolls. But that Mojo video speculated ways that the story arc for this show could go. The 'Red Angel(s)' could be the almost mythical Iconians mentioned in TOS and TNG/DS9 and the red eruptions could lead to saying what the 'Red Matter' maguffin was in the 2009 reboot/alternate timeline film series. I didn't like that maguffin in the 2009 film because they didn't explain what the hell the almost 'mary sue' Red Matter was or where it came from. With clever, albeit probably contrived writing, 'Discovery' and the other Alec Kurtzman Trek shows could (roughly) tie all the Star Trek shows together...

https://www.vulture.com/2019/01/star-trek-discovery-season-2-biggest-changes.html
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #353 on: 01/19/2019 02:08 pm »
Interesting opening episode with some superb SFX. The lighter tone definitely fits the show and liked Pike, his more Kirk like approach to being a captain suited the new approach. Also liked Reno, a touch of the Bones about her. They appear to have been very proactive on working on stuff that maybe didn’t work the first time around. Big concern is will this all change with the enforced change of Showrunner that occurred after these initial episodes I believe.

As to people hating it online a lot of that seems political these days and something that has beset other sci-fi franchises.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #354 on: 01/19/2019 02:48 pm »
Big concern is will this all change with the enforced change of Showrunner that occurred after these initial episodes I believe.

I think that was last season, with Byran Fuller's forced departure. I haven't heard of a change in showrunner/producers for Season 2. Kurtzman is now the top dog and will also be in charge of upcoming Captain Picard series and the reported Section 31 series starring Michelle Yeoh.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #355 on: 01/19/2019 04:24 pm »
I guess I should go watch an episode or two to check if it is now Star Trek

First season of Discovery was not. I mean, it was passable Sci-Fi TV, but it was not Star Trek, which annoyed me.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #356 on: 01/19/2019 05:20 pm »
Big concern is will this all change with the enforced change of Showrunner that occurred after these initial episodes I believe.

I think that was last season, with Byran Fuller's forced departure. I haven't heard of a change in showrunner/producers for Season 2. Kurtzman is now the top dog and will also be in charge of upcoming Captain Picard series and the reported Section 31 series starring Michelle Yeoh.

Oh that’s odd I could have sworn I read about further changes behind the scenes this season as far as the producers are concerned.

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