Which is supposed to be fairly rigorous. Did the USAF decide that the type of procedures below are ok that NASA has called out as a issue? I cannot imagine the EELV auditors not seeing SpaceX personnel standing on flight hardware during assembly.
Quote from: Brovane on 07/01/2016 03:37 am Which is supposed to be fairly rigorous. Did the USAF decide that the type of procedures below are ok that NASA has called out as a issue? I cannot imagine the EELV auditors not seeing SpaceX personnel standing on flight hardware during assembly. The USAF process was no more rigorous than NASA's. They are not hovering over every worker. Certification looks at processes and completed work. Not the work as it being done.And standing on flight hardware isn't a standard practice. Especially, one that can seen anytime that one walks on to the production floor. Likely it was observed as a matter of chance, both in the actual occasion of standing on flight hardware and the observer being in the right place at the right time.
Considering the difference in risk category between EELV payloads and CRS payloads wouldn't that imply that the USAF would be more rigorous than the process NASA uses for reviewing CRS LV's?
I look forward to the day when launch operations are so routine that standing on flight hardware is nothing out of the ordinary--as long as the part in question is fairly sturdy.
...Frankly, as IG reports go, this one is actually pretty benign. When the IG gets called in and invests government time and thoughtful people into doing an investigation, they will always find something suboptimal in their view...the thrust of this one is about as positive about NASA's management, and about SpaceX and Orbital's performance, as you can expect.I'm impressed by NASA's agility and good contract management in this case that the IG reports on. Gives me a lot more confidence as a taxpayer in NASA as an effective organization.
Quote from: Brovane on 07/01/2016 04:44 amConsidering the difference in risk category between EELV payloads and CRS payloads wouldn't that imply that the USAF would be more rigorous than the process NASA uses for reviewing CRS LV's? Mixing apples and oranges. USAF has yet to use an F9 and NASA had certified F9 for category 3 and flown one.
Which Class-A NASA payload has already flown on the F9? I was also not aware that NASA had certified F9 as a category 3 LV. The last mention I can find is for category 2 certification. When did NASA certify the F9 as category 3 LV?
Mixing apples and oranges. USAF has yet to use an F9 and NASA had certified F9 for category 3 and flown one.
NASA negotiated discounted mission prices with SpaceX after one of the Hawthorne company’s rockets broke apart last June while laden with supplies for the International Space Station, according to a report by the space agency’s office of inspector general.
NASA negotiates cheaper mission prices after last year's SpaceX failurehttp://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-nasa-spacex-report-20160630-snap-story.htmlQuoteNASA negotiated discounted mission prices with SpaceX after one of the Hawthorne company’s rockets broke apart last June while laden with supplies for the International Space Station, according to a report by the space agency’s office of inspector general.
Also, the report makes a big deal about potential conflict of interest. I don't see this - it seems to me that everyone's interests are the same. It does the company no good to claim it's not their fault if their rocket fails again. To me, a bigger worry with the company leading the investigation is technical blind spots. Sometimes if you know how something should work, you see that rather than how it might fail. Surely there must be at least some history on this - when review boards have failed (identified the wrong root cause), why did they make this mistake? Has lack of independence ever been responsible for this?
However, the AC-70 failure was different in a very basic but non-obvious way. The failure investigation was conducted by a private firm, GD, rather than led by the government. This was a first, and it produced another first, a failed investigation. [...] Not surprisingly, the government was somewhat more involved in the AC-71 investigation.
Here's an interesting article about why AC-70 failure board failed. The author (a government employee) implies that private industry simply does not have the competence in this area:QuoteHowever, the AC-70 failure was different in a very basic but non-obvious way. The failure investigation was conducted by a private firm, GD, rather than led by the government. This was a first, and it produced another first, a failed investigation. [...] Not surprisingly, the government was somewhat more involved in the AC-71 investigation.
Quote from: cuddihy on 07/01/2016 11:29 amI look forward to the day when launch operations are so routine that standing on flight hardware is nothing out of the ordinary--as long as the part in question is fairly sturdy.Or having the whole manufacturing process instrumented to the point where such out of specs practice would raise alarm instantly. I mean everyone is already doing close out photos, seems to me video everything and analyze it would be the logical next step.
Quote from: LouScheffer on 07/02/2016 12:22 pmHere's an interesting article about why AC-70 failure board failed. The author (a government employee) implies that private industry simply does not have the competence in this area:QuoteHowever, the AC-70 failure was different in a very basic but non-obvious way. The failure investigation was conducted by a private firm, GD, rather than led by the government. This was a first, and it produced another first, a failed investigation. [...] Not surprisingly, the government was somewhat more involved in the AC-71 investigation.That was maybe true in the 90's but not now. Industry is competent enough to do accident investigations itself.