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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #80 on: 10/21/2019 06:11 pm »
https://twitter.com/amirblachman/status/1186333593208942592

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This mockup will give you a sense of the @Axiom_Space Commercial #Space Station crew quarters' size. They are designed for the 95th height %ile, and each room has LED hue controls, a 2-foot tall Earth-facing window and many more features. At my 'mighty' 5'9" this feels great!

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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #81 on: 11/27/2019 05:24 pm »
Axiom has published a neat and tidy newsletter of what they have been up to:
https://mailchi.mp/axiomspace.com/axiom-space-raises-16mlaunches-astronaut-mission-sales-and-training

Highlights:
- Contract to train an Italian astronaut
- Sold a seat for a private astro $55M
- Signing more MOUs
- Raised $16M
- Hired Charlie Bolden
- Busy on design
- Have a contract to fly 300 rodents on a single SpaceX crew Dragon, a mission for NASA

I remain super impressed with these folks. They keep building up their operational business within the ISS framework while they build to a station of their own. No splashy announcements that get cancelled a few months later. No constant churn of one concept after another being dropped. Just steady, legitimate progress.

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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #82 on: 11/27/2019 07:58 pm »
Axiom has published a neat and tidy newsletter of what they have been up to:
https://mailchi.mp/axiomspace.com/axiom-space-raises-16mlaunches-astronaut-mission-sales-and-training

Highlights:
- Contract to train an Italian astronaut
- Sold a seat for a private astro $55M
- Signing more MOUs
- Raised $16M
- Hired Charlie Bolden
- Busy on design
- Have a contract to fly 300 rodents on a single SpaceX crew Dragon, a mission for NASA

I remain super impressed with these folks. They keep building up their operational business within the ISS framework while they build to a station of their own. No splashy announcements that get cancelled a few months later. No constant churn of one concept after another being dropped. Just steady, legitimate progress.

None of the supposed progress is actually relevant to their biggest issue -- a lack of demand for a private ISS successor.

MOUs have no legal force.  They are just glorified PR.  $16 million is nowhere close to what they'd need to actually accomplish their goals.


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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #84 on: 01/27/2020 10:21 pm »
I missed this when it came out in 2018 but it is still of some interest in respect of timing:

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“It takes about four years of running hard to get our module built,” he [Michael Suffredini] said. That means that, if NASA waits until some time in 2019 to hold a competition for a docking port, Axiom’s module would not be in place until about 2024, near the end of the station’s lifetime. Holding the competition now, he argued, could move that up to 2023.

https://thespacereview.com/article/3516/1

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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #85 on: 01/27/2020 10:45 pm »
See also this thread relating to today's announcement:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=49990.0

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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #86 on: 01/27/2020 10:47 pm »
For more on NextStep, Appendix I, see the attached presentation and the Appendix I:
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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #87 on: 01/27/2020 11:09 pm »
I missed this when it came out in 2018 but it is still of some interest in respect of timing:

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“It takes about four years of running hard to get our module built,” he [Michael Suffredini] said. That means that, if NASA waits until some time in 2019 to hold a competition for a docking port, Axiom’s module would not be in place until about 2024, near the end of the station’s lifetime. Holding the competition now, he argued, could move that up to 2023.

https://thespacereview.com/article/3516/1
Another article I read from Jan2020 said they could be operational by 2022. Lot will depend on how detailed their design plans are. Till these are finalised they can't start construction.
Hopefully we see something in orbit by end of 2023 unless they choose Boeing in which case 2030 maybe optimistic.



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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #89 on: 01/28/2020 02:55 am »
Kinda strange there's a Bigelow youtube video embedded in the middle of the article, but ya don't mention Bigelow at all. What's the connection?
Human spaceflight is basically just LARPing now.

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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #90 on: 01/28/2020 03:06 am »
Is there a valid technical reason(read fairing size) they would choose Delta/Atlas launch vehicle(As stated in the article) to fly these modules.. over other cheaper launch providers like SpaceX?

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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #91 on: 01/28/2020 04:23 am »
Reposted, ie each module will have its own propulsion.

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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #92 on: 01/28/2020 04:28 am »
Is there a valid technical reason(read fairing size) they would choose Delta/Atlas launch vehicle(As stated in the article) to fly these modules.. over other cheaper launch providers like SpaceX?

At this point, no. Given that Axiom is reportedly going to contract Boeing for most of the actual segment design and production, not hard to draw conclusions about why SpaceX might have been excluded as a launch option :)

Boeing as a sub-contractor. What could go wrong...

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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #93 on: 01/28/2020 04:43 am »
Is there a valid technical reason(read fairing size) they would choose Delta/Atlas launch vehicle(As stated in the article) to fly these modules.. over other cheaper launch providers like SpaceX?

The article didn't say what launch vehicle Axiom will use, I don't think there's any information on this.

The article did say in 2010 NASA considered expanding ISS by launching a Node 4 module on Atlas V or Delta IV, given the plan was made in 2010 when F9 is barely flying it's no surprise they didn't choose SpaceX back then. I think this is just a bit historical trivia, not relevant to the current Axiom situation except that it shows you can expand ISS without Shuttle.
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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #94 on: 01/28/2020 05:06 am »
This Forbes article says they are considering Falcon 9 for launch: https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucedorminey/2017/04/11/axiom-aims-to-build-worlds-first-commercial-space-station/#47c072ac1d80

Older statements were for Falcon Heavy.

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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #95 on: 01/28/2020 05:41 am »
O my gosh tax money going back Boeing and friends of people used to work for NASA.
Bigellow develop superior technology that was already test at ISS.
They choose company without tested hardware.
How much B will cost it NASA?
Orion 22B
SLS 22B
Who is going use it?
« Last Edit: 01/28/2020 05:45 am by raketa »

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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #96 on: 01/28/2020 08:26 am »
There's a video of the assembly sequence on Axion's web site.

https://video.wixstatic.com/video/8625ec_5dc894c4b5ec4b49b29d3c731281d5a2/1080p/mp4/file.mp4

Sequence is

01) Node (AxN1) berths to Node 2 Forward
02) Cupola transferred from Node Forward to Node Nadir
03) Crew Habitat berthed to Node Forward
04) Research & Manufacturing Facility berthed to Node Zenith
05) Research & Manufacturing Facility transferred from Node Zenith to Node Port
06) Large Power Platform berthed to Node Zenith
07) Large Power Platform extends solar array
08) Large Power Platform deploys solar array
09) MPLM transferred from Node 3 forward to Node Starboard
10) Axiom Space Station unberthed from ISS

Unfortunately, the transfer of PMA-2 is not shown and I don't see it on the ISS.
« Last Edit: 01/28/2020 08:44 am by Steven Pietrobon »
Akin's Laws of Spacecraft Design #1:  Engineering is done with numbers.  Analysis without numbers is only an opinion.

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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #97 on: 01/28/2020 08:39 am »
Here's a better viiew of Axiom. I believe the windows on the forward module indicate that its the Habitat module, as shown in this internal view. From the video I count at least six windows on the Crew Habitat, possibly indicating six sleeping quarters, or perhaps four sleeping quarters with the other two windows used for Earth observation.

The name for the Node is AxN1. If I did my sums correctly, the clock is counting down to 2024 January 1 16:00 UTC, but we already know that the Node is launching in the second half of 2024.

https://www.axiomspace.com/axiom-station
« Last Edit: 01/28/2020 08:56 am by Steven Pietrobon »
Akin's Laws of Spacecraft Design #1:  Engineering is done with numbers.  Analysis without numbers is only an opinion.

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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #98 on: 01/28/2020 09:34 am »
A podcast by Axiom employee said all modules will have their own propulsion and  some power. Mainly to get from LV dropoff point in orbit too ISS, also allows for deorbiting at end of life.

Will see if I can find podcast and post link, was from june 19.

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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #99 on: 01/28/2020 11:22 am »
Is there a valid technical reason(read fairing size) they would choose Delta/Atlas launch vehicle(As stated in the article) to fly these modules.. over other cheaper launch providers like SpaceX?

The article didn't say what launch vehicle Axiom will use, I don't think there's any information on this.

The article did say in 2010 NASA considered expanding ISS by launching a Node 4 module on Atlas V or Delta IV, given the plan was made in 2010 when F9 is barely flying it's no surprise they didn't choose SpaceX back then. I think this is just a bit historical trivia, not relevant to the current Axiom situation except that it shows you can expand ISS without Shuttle.
I winder if the extended fairing SpaceX we I’ll develop for the Air Force (wait, now Space Force?) would be of interest to Axiom.

I feel Axiom would gravitate towards SpaceX because a company the size of Axiom, regardless of who they’re in bed with, will need to seriously manage costs and scope creep is a guarantee when working with NASA, so having $$$ margin is important.
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