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#180 by sts1canada on 29 Aug, 2006 17:17
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This is in response to Erik's post in this thread so I apologize that it is offtopic here, but if any one here uses the STSPLUS tracking program, you may find these steps useful to predict launch windows for the shuttle going to the ISS.
Erik, press F10 in STSPLUS and then F1 to select a city northeast of KSC. Type in New York, and select it. When you are done, press enter until you are at the main menu, then make sure you have selected to track the ISS as your primary satellite by pressing F2 at the main menu and selecting the ISS from your two-line elements. Now here is the key, set your simulated time by pressing F8 at the main menu, then press F3 and set the time to 0:00 and the date to October 25, 2006. When you are done, go back to the main menu and press F3 for pass predictions and look for the best pass that travels northeast (it will be southeast to your selected city of New York so look under the azm. column for a reading close to between 130* - 140* degrees), it should be the 4th pass. Select this pass by entering the pass number (in this case type "4" and press "enter" and you will see the iss just recently pass over KSC heading northeast). This is the pass NASA will use to open the launch window around October 25th. Hope this information is useful to you.
Richard
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#181 by jacqmans on 29 Aug, 2006 17:17
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#182 by Jim on 29 Aug, 2006 17:18
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They can test in the VAB as well as the pad
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#183 by Jim on 29 Aug, 2006 17:20
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maybe even flying debris from the TS...
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#184 by Jim on 29 Aug, 2006 17:22
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I think they're dead wrong and being WAY WAY WAY too conservative. We'll see tomorrow...
Hindsight is 20/20. Better safe than sorry
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#185 by jacqmans on 29 Aug, 2006 17:25
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#186 by Gerald Richling on 29 Aug, 2006 17:27
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To foment means to stir up or brew bad weather according to Murphy's Law. We got to figure out a way to repeal Murphy's Law so tha Atlantis STS-115 could liftoff by Sept. 8, 2006. Keep your fingers crossed and let hope Murphy's Law is not enforced. I, Gerald, very much want to see P3/P4 attached to P1 is ISS. It could pave the way for the construction of a big space ship in low earth orbit that will take humans to Jupiter system or Saturn system for exploration like is Star Trek,s USS Enterprise.
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#187 by jacqmans on 29 Aug, 2006 17:29
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End of Live video of the Roll Back...We have to wait until she comes into view of the VAB, I think...
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#188 by spaceshuttle on 29 Aug, 2006 17:31
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they should be able to launch before the 8th, huh? assuming they roll back out three days from now, they might JUST be able to make it, right?
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#189 by jacqmans on 29 Aug, 2006 17:35
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If they roll back out on Friday, that is sept 01, it takes 8 days to get the ship ready on the pad ( I heard them say during many press briefings), so then it would be sept 09..and that is to late...(I think)...So lets hope the Storm passes with no damage, so that they can Roll out in the night of Thursday, then they could launch on the 7th of Sept...
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#190 by DaveS on 29 Aug, 2006 17:36
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spaceshuttle - 29/8/2006 7:18 PM
Cut-off date is the 7th, not the 8th.
they should be able to launch before the 8th, huh? assuming they roll back out three days from now, they might JUST be able to make it, right? -
#191 by spaceshuttle on 29 Aug, 2006 17:40
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Quotespaceshuttle - 29/8/2006 7:18 PM
Cut-off date is the 7th, not the 8th.
they should be able to launch before the 8th, huh? assuming they roll back out three days from now, they might JUST be able to make it, right?
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#192 by Avron on 29 Aug, 2006 17:46
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If they roll back out on Friday, that is sept 01, it takes 8 days to get the ship ready on the pad ( I heard them say during many press briefings), so then it would be sept 09..and that is to late...(I think)...So lets hope the Storm passes with no damage, so that they can Roll out in the night of Thursday, then they could launch on the 7th of Sept...
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#193 by spaceshuttle on 29 Aug, 2006 18:00
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Quotejacqmans - 29/8/2006 1:22 PM
If they roll back out on Friday, that is sept 01, it takes 8 days to get the ship ready on the pad ( I heard them say during many press briefings), so then it would be sept 09..and that is to late...(I think)...So lets hope the Storm passes with no damage, so that they can Roll out in the night of Thursday, then they could launch on the 7th of Sept...
And that would require real-time management... MMT dont work that way...
DANGIT! well, we'll see them in October! that ET should be nice and burnt by then, lol.
but then again, they may decide to let 115 go at night! afterall, 115 wasn't originally under that guideline--SOMETIMES, the mmt goes back on their word...
um, i think i have TOO much confidence...
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#194 by Shuttle Man on 29 Aug, 2006 18:10
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I'm very angry with the decision not to delay Soyuz TMA9.
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#195 by punkboi on 29 Aug, 2006 18:14
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Shuttle Man - 29/8/2006 10:57 AM I'm very angry with the decision not to delay Soyuz TMA9. I have nothing against the Russians, but it is a disgrace that they are not helping. This stinks of ensuring Space Adventures get their paying customers launched on time.
I'm angry with the Russians too. Otherwise, I wouldn't have called them-- Oh wait, that message has been deleted. Oops. Have fun in space, Ansari! I'm sure Brent Jett and Co. are wishing you a safe and fun flight.
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#196 by John44 on 29 Aug, 2006 18:16
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Mike Suffredini, International Space Station program manager, and Wayne Hale, Space Shuttle Program manager
will discuss the current status of the shuttle's rollback to the vehicle assembly building and the next steps
for the STS-115 mission.
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=857
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#197 by Chris Bergin on 29 Aug, 2006 18:17
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Shuttle Man - 29/8/2006 6:57 PM
I'm very angry with the decision not to delay Soyuz TMA9.
I have nothing against the Russians, but it is a disgrace that they are not helping. This stinks of ensuring Space Adventures get their paying customers launched on time.
Hold on.
The talks are still on going, it's just NASA noting they don't look hopeful. However,
If you were Roskosmos and you had NASA saying "Hey, can you move the launch date of your Soyuz?" and got the rationale of "We might be able to launch after the 7th, but we don't know, cause of lighting, could go either way," what would you do?
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#198 by Avron on 29 Aug, 2006 18:21
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Based on history, tomorrow will be a overcast day at KSC, with no winds near 40 kts never mind 40 mps.. the storm will heading out west.. so maybe just maybe, MMT will think of moving back to the pad in the morning..
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#199 by jacqmans on 29 Aug, 2006 18:25
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