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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #500 on: 01/29/2017 01:07 AM »
SpaceX submitted three new applications to the FCC, two regarding the F9-35 launch (Where did 34 go?) and one regarding F9 and FH systems tests at MCGregor...

Maybe F9-34 will be Formosat-5/SHERPA?  If they're sending out ASDS it implies that F9-35 is not Inmarsat 5 F4, which I though would be next in line.  Still several options to choose from such as Koreasat 5A (this might be at the top of the list), Bulgariasat 1.

The McGregor application is very similar to one they recently did for Hawthorne.

On Reddit, Soltasto mentioned the NRO launch as a possibility for F9-34, and that could very well be the case if it has schedule priority over the commsats.  It looks like ULA doesn't get FCC permits for their national security launches, so SpaceX probably wouldn't need to either.

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #501 on: 01/29/2017 12:55 PM »
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Bautz: two astrophysics payloads, NICER and ISS-CREAM, going to ISS on SpX-11 and 12 in April & June (if SpX-10 launches in Feb…) #apsapril

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/825702745659150336

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #502 on: 01/29/2017 01:52 PM »
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Bautz: two astrophysics payloads, NICER and ISS-CREAM, going to ISS on SpX-11 and 12 in April & June (if SpX-10 launches in Feb…) #apsapril

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/825702745659150336

A full listing and discussion of external payloads is over in L2.
The months stated above are compatible with the dates listed there.
And NASA is "pulling rank" to keep the SpX-10 launch in the second half of February.
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #503 on: 01/31/2017 02:46 AM »
It looks like ULA doesn't get FCC permits for their national security launches, so SpaceX probably wouldn't need to either.
Correct.  SpaceX launches for NASA LSP or contracted by the Air Force (non-commercial) don't need STAs from the FCC as they get ceded authority from those organizations directly for their respective missions.  Neither do they need FAA licensing.
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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #504 on: 01/31/2017 12:21 PM »
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@IridiumComm: We confirm 8th @SpaceX Falcon 9 launch, for 1H 2018: 5 IRDM Next sats+2 NASA/German science sats.

https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/826414804537597953

Written up here: https://www.spaceintelreport.com/iridium

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #505 on: 01/31/2017 02:30 PM »
Presser (and for the relevant launch thread when we have it up).

Iridium Adds Eighth Launch with SpaceX for Satellite Rideshare with NASA/GFZ

Iridium strikes deal with GFZ German Research Centre for Geosciences to launch five additional spare Iridium NEXT satellites as well as NASA/GFZ’s Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment Follow-on (GRACE-FO) Mission

MCLEAN, Va., January 31, 2017 – Iridium Communications Inc. (NASDAQ:IRDM) announced today that it has contracted with SpaceX for an eighth Falcon 9 launch. Along for the ride are the twin-satellites of the NASA/GFZ Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment Follow-On (GRACE-FO) mission, which will be deployed into a separate low-Earth orbit, marking the first rideshare deal for Iridium. An agreement of this kind is economical for all parties, and affords Iridium the ability to launch five additional satellites for its next-generation global satellite network.   The rideshare is anticipated to launch out of Vandenberg Air Force Base in California by early 2018.

“This is a very smart way to get additional Iridium NEXT satellites into orbit,” said Matt Desch, chief executive officer at Iridium. “This launch provides added resiliency to our network for not much more than we had planned originally to launch 72 satellites, including two with Kosmotras.”  Desch continued, “We are pleased to be sharing a rocket with NASA and GFZ German Research Centre for Geosciences for this additional SpaceX launch, and GFZ has been a great business partner throughout this process.”

Not only is this launch a rare opportunity to ride with NASA, but it also represents a particularly compelling economical solution. The Company had always expected to launch additional satellites after the Iridium NEXT construction was completed to utilize the nine ground spares built into the program. This rideshare represents a material savings from other supplemental launch options due to the efficiency of sharing the rocket with GRACE-FO, and the incremental cost during the Iridium NEXT construction period is immaterial when considering the avoidance of unspent amounts contemplated under the Kosmotras program. It also affords Iridium the opportunity to rearrange its launch and satellite drifting plan and launch these five satellites directly into their operational orbital plane while increasing the number of planned in-orbit spares by three satellites.  Further, this development allows Iridium to complete the whole operational constellation at a faster rate than it would have with seven launches. Iridium will still consider launching satellites with Kosmotras once approvals are available.

Iridium NEXT is the company’s next-generation global satellite constellation.  Replacing Iridium’s existing network of low-Earth orbit satellites, Iridium NEXT is poised to re-energize the mobile satellite industry with faster speeds and higher throughputs for all industry verticals.  The launch of the Iridium NEXT constellation represents an unprecedented feat for satellite communications, and has been coined the largest “tech refresh” of its kind.

The Company has contracted with SpaceX for seven dedicated Iridium NEXT launches, deploying 70 Iridium NEXT satellites into low-Earth orbit, across a 13-month period out of Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. This eighth launch will increase the constellation’s count to 75 total in-orbit satellites, nine of which will serve as on-orbit spares. The first set of Iridium NEXT satellites was successfully launched on January 14th and is currently under test in orbit.  For more information about Iridium NEXT, please visit www.iridiumnext.com.

GRACE-FO is a successor to the joint NASA/GFZ GRACE mission, which launched in 2002 and is still in operation. The twin GRACE-FO satellites, which operate in tandem, will continue GRACE’s legacy of tracking changes in the distribution of Earth’s mass over time by creating monthly maps of Earth’s gravity field. The movements of masses of water, ice, air, and the solid Earth are driven by processes such as precipitation, droughts, floods, the melting of snow and ice, ground water usage and storage, and even tectonic events such as large earthquakes. GRACE is improving our understanding and knowledge of a variety of important Earth system processes:  the terrestrial water cycle and changes in ice sheets, glaciers and sea level, surface and deep-ocean currents; and variations in Earth’s lithosphere and mantle density. These measurements provide a unique view of the Earth system and have far-reaching benefits to society and the world’s population. The mission is managed by NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, California, for NASA’s Science Mission Directorate.

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Iridium® is the only mobile voice and data satellite communications network that spans the entire globe. Iridium enables connections between people, organizations and assets to and from anywhere, in real time. Together with its ecosystem of partner companies, Iridium delivers an innovative and rich portfolio of reliable solutions for markets that require truly global communications. The company has a major development program underway for its next-generation network — Iridium NEXT. Iridium Communications Inc. is headquartered in McLean, Va., U.S.A., and its common stock trades on the NASDAQ Global Select Market under the ticker symbol IRDM. For more information about Iridium products, services and partner solutions, visit www.iridium.com.

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #506 on: 01/31/2017 02:34 PM »
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@IridiumComm: We confirm 8th @SpaceX Falcon 9 launch, for 1H 2018: 5 IRDM Next sats+2 NASA/German science sats.

https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/826414804537597953

Written up here: https://www.spaceintelreport.com/iridium

Press release and a couple more tweets in the mission thread here.

Link for mission thread is https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=35275.0

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #508 on: 02/03/2017 06:02 PM »
https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/827479074021003264
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pbdes: @Thales_Alenia_S(3): 2d batch of IRDM Next sats planned for April on @SpaceX. Koreasat 5A geo sat may launch July on @SpaceX, then 3d IRDM.

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #509 on: 02/03/2017 08:10 PM »
https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/827479074021003264
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pbdes: @Thales_Alenia_S(3): 2d batch of IRDM Next sats planned for April on @SpaceX. Koreasat 5A geo sat may launch July on @SpaceX, then 3d IRDM.

This is launches of Thales manufactured sats by SpaceX.  Sounds like Iridium Flight 3 wouldn't be until late July/August.

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #510 on: 02/03/2017 10:20 PM »
The schedule at Spaceflight Now got updated today.  He's showing CRS-11 staying at April 9, but CRS-12 slipping to August.

Near term schedule looks something like:
February 14 : CRS-10
February 28 : Echostar-23
March : SES-10
(can anything else fit before CRS-11?)
April 9 : CRS-11
April (mid) : Iridium Flight 2
April (late) / May : there will be several commsats available to launch
« Last Edit: 02/03/2017 10:41 PM by gongora »

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #511 on: 02/03/2017 10:37 PM »
The schedule at Spaceflight Now got updated today.  He's showing CRS-11 staying at April 9, but CRS-12 slipping to August.

Near term schedule looks something like:
February 14 : CRS-10
February 28 : Echostar-23
March : SES-10
(can anything else fit before CRS-11?)
April 9 : CRS-11
April (mid) : Iridium Flight 2
April (late) / May : pick a payload, there's a whole pile right over there...

How about for April (late) / May, I'll go with Inmarsat 5-F4.
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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #512 on: 02/04/2017 01:21 AM »
The NROL flight is expected in March. That has been the date for awhile and I expect they get priority.

It would require a couple of 2 week turnarounds back to back, so maybe not.
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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #513 on: 02/08/2017 12:53 PM »
Experimenting with layout a bit in anticipation of Falcon Heavy this summer.

Looks like one of the side boosters will be the Thaicom LV (25 on the manifest).  To fully track reuse, then, the BOOST column would need to be something like:
[25-1]-[?]-[?]
to track components since they are apparently interchangeable.

This makes the BOOST column very wide, so I am considering trimming the 1S column down to three characters wide with a legend of OCI (OCISLY), JRT (JRTI), RTL (Return to Landing), DCH (Ditch).

I know some folks have older displays and I don't want to make the overall list much wider. 

Open to suggestions!!!

(please don't convert this discussion to a serial-number ambush.  Thanks.)

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #514 on: 02/08/2017 03:36 PM »
Looks like there is more extra space between landing column and the satellite name column. Also, can make FHeavy simply FH.

I'd also say for an expendable flight, leave the 1s Target blank.
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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #515 on: 02/09/2017 03:32 PM »
Moved CRS-10 to 2/18 along with other mods.

Trying one idea with FH core information.

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #516 on: 02/09/2017 03:36 PM »
Starhawk: you can get rid of few characters if you go FH(25-1, ?, ?).

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #517 on: 02/09/2017 03:47 PM »
Still really long if you have muliple reused cores.  I definitely see your point.

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #518 on: 02/09/2017 08:08 PM »
You could use separate lines for the side and center cores on Falcon Heavy flights, which would give more space and allow for indicating separate targets.

NET DATE    BOOST(Core)  1S Tgt      PAYLOAD(S)                    ORB  MASS    PAD
----------  -----------  ------      -----------------------       ---  ------  ----
2017-05     FHeavy                   Falcon Heavy Demo Flight                   LC39A
            (Cntr 25-1)  OCISLY
            (Side XX-X)  LZ-1
            (Side YY-Y)  LZ-1

Also, consider captializing 'Pad' and 'Ditch' as they aren't acronyms and readers won't attempt to interpret them as such.

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #519 on: 02/09/2017 08:12 PM »
You could use separate lines for the side and center cores on Falcon Heavy flights, which would give more space and allow for indicating separate targets.

NET DATE    BOOST(Core)  1S Tgt      PAYLOAD(S)                    ORB  MASS    PAD
----------  -----------  ------      -----------------------       ---  ------  ----
2017-05     FHeavy                   Falcon Heavy Demo Flight                   LC39A
            (Cntr 25-1)  OCISLY
            (Side XX-X)  LZ-1
            (Side YY-Y)  LZ-1

Also, consider captializing 'Pad' and 'Ditch' as they aren't acronyms and readers won't attempt to interpret them as such.

Good thinking. Here's what I would suggest, based on that format (changes in red):


NET DATE    BOOST(Core)  1S Tgt      PAYLOAD(S)                    ORB  MASS    PAD
----------  -----------  ------      -----------------------       ---  ------  ----
2017-05     FHeavy(1)                Falcon Heavy Demo Flight                   LC39A
            (C 25-1)     OCISLY
            (L XX-X)     LZ-1
            (R YY-Y)     LZ-1
« Last Edit: 02/09/2017 08:21 PM by old_sellsword »

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