SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4

[AncientU]

Silly question for this group... 

[wannamoonbase]

Silly question for this group... 

Yep, we'll have a 6 dimensional tracking matrix up my happy hour this afternoon.

[oldAtlas_Eguy]

I think we can effectively delay the tracking of individual D2's until DM1. I don't think any of the D1's will ever be reused. But the D2's are baselined for reuse and that will start happening soon after they start flying in 2017/2018 and landing on land. A year to figure out the best way to track D2s reuse's.

[AncientU]

I think we can effectively delay the tracking of individual D2's until DM1. I don't think any of the D1's will ever be reused. But the D2's are baselined for reuse and that will start happening soon after they start flying in 2017/2018 and landing on land. A year to figure out the best way to track D2s reuse's.

Dragon 1s are soon to be reflown (starting with CRS-11).  Since it is a rebuild of the pressure hull from CRS-6 IIRC, would be interesting to track number of reuses.

[docmordrid]

@b0yle (Alan Boyle)
@SpaceX's Koenigmann: Looking at CRS-11 or -12 for reuse of #Dragon capsules. "Not too far from now."

[AncientU]

Looks like Iridium gets NEXT booster '0030'

[starhawk92]

I think we can effectively delay the tracking of individual D2's until DM1. I don't think any of the D1's will ever be reused. But the D2's are baselined for reuse and that will start happening soon after they start flying in 2017/2018 and landing on land. A year to figure out the best way to track D2s reuse's.

Dragon 1s are soon to be reflown (starting with CRS-11).  Since it is a rebuild of the pressure hull from CRS-6 IIRC, would be interesting to track number of reuses.

So, CRS-6 was one hull and none since have been reused.  Do we know if the Dragon Capsules used for CRS-7, -8, -9, and -10 are "in rotation" or already retired because the next-gen vehicle is already in the pipeline?

[gongora]

I think we can effectively delay the tracking of individual D2's until DM1. I don't think any of the D1's will ever be reused. But the D2's are baselined for reuse and that will start happening soon after they start flying in 2017/2018 and landing on land. A year to figure out the best way to track D2s reuse's.

Dragon 1s are soon to be reflown (starting with CRS-11).  Since it is a rebuild of the pressure hull from CRS-6 IIRC, would be interesting to track number of reuses.

So, CRS-6 was one hull and none since have been reused.  Do we know if the Dragon Capsules used for CRS-7, -8, -9, and -10 are "in rotation" or already retired because the next-gen vehicle is already in the pipeline?

Dragon reuse discussions should probably be conducted in a different thread.

If Dragon v2 ships are used for cargo under the CRS 2 contract that wouldn't start until (at least) 2019, so expect the next 10+ CRS flights to use the original cargo Dragon design.

[abaddon]

Do we know if the Dragon Capsules used for CRS-7, -8, -9, and -10 are "in rotation" or already retired because the next-gen vehicle is already in the pipeline?

Er...

[Jarnis]

Do we know if the Dragon Capsules used for CRS-7, -8, -9, and -10 are "in rotation" or already retired because the next-gen vehicle is already in the pipeline?

Er...

That one is definitely retired. In the Atlantic. 

[starhawk92]

Do we know if the Dragon Capsules used for CRS-7, -8, -9, and -10 are "in rotation" or already retired because the next-gen vehicle is already in the pipeline?

Er...

That one is definitely retired. In the Atlantic. 

Sorry, I was asking about the entire set of Dragon v1, not just one.  My apologies for the confusion.

[gongora]

August 5 - Two GRACE-FO - Dnepr - Dombarovskiy, 370/13

Got info from GFZ, that Dnepr is no longer available as launch vehicle for GRACE-FO. They are currently in negotiations with SpaceX for a Falcon-9 launch.

[Comga]

August 5 - Two GRACE-FO - Dnepr - Dombarovskiy, 370/13

Got info from GFZ, that Dnepr is no longer available as launch vehicle for GRACE-FO. They are currently in negotiations with SpaceX for a Falcon-9 launch.

I wonder if GRACE-FO is trying to hold the 2017 launch and break into SpaceX's crowded 2017 manifest.
Negotiation to launch in <18 months?
Now that would be "responsive space".

[Zed_Noir]

August 5 - Two GRACE-FO - Dnepr - Dombarovskiy, 370/13

Got info from GFZ, that Dnepr is no longer available as launch vehicle for GRACE-FO. They are currently in negotiations with SpaceX for a Falcon-9 launch.

I wonder if GRACE-FO is trying to hold the 2017 launch and break into SpaceX's crowded 2017 manifest.
Negotiation to launch in <18 months?
Now that would be "responsive space".

Used Falcon 9 from VAFB?

[russianhalo117]

August 5 - Two GRACE-FO - Dnepr - Dombarovskiy, 370/13

Got info from GFZ, that Dnepr is no longer available as launch vehicle for GRACE-FO. They are currently in negotiations with SpaceX for a Falcon-9 launch.

I wonder if GRACE-FO is trying to hold the 2017 launch and break into SpaceX's crowded 2017 manifest.
Negotiation to launch in <18 months?
Now that would be "responsive space".

Used Falcon 9 from VAFB?

USAF and NASA have yet to issue approval to allow for government payloads to fly on already flown cores. I'd expect these approvals in the 2018/2019 time frame after completion of several commercial flights on flown cores.

[gongora]

August 5 - Two GRACE-FO - Dnepr - Dombarovskiy, 370/13

Got info from GFZ, that Dnepr is no longer available as launch vehicle for GRACE-FO. They are currently in negotiations with SpaceX for a Falcon-9 launch.

I wonder if GRACE-FO is trying to hold the 2017 launch and break into SpaceX's crowded 2017 manifest.
Negotiation to launch in <18 months?
Now that would be "responsive space".

Used Falcon 9 from VAFB?

USAF and NASA have yet to issue approval to allow for government payloads to fly on already flown cores. I'd expect these approvals in the 2018/2019 time frame after completion of several commercial flights on flown cores.

Would NASA rules apply in this case if GFZ is buying the launch?  (Do we already have a GRACE-FO thread anywhere?)

[russianhalo117]

August 5 - Two GRACE-FO - Dnepr - Dombarovskiy, 370/13

Got info from GFZ, that Dnepr is no longer available as launch vehicle for GRACE-FO. They are currently in negotiations with SpaceX for a Falcon-9 launch.

I wonder if GRACE-FO is trying to hold the 2017 launch and break into SpaceX's crowded 2017 manifest.
Negotiation to launch in <18 months?
Now that would be "responsive space".

Used Falcon 9 from VAFB?

USAF and NASA have yet to issue approval to allow for government payloads to fly on already flown cores. I'd expect these approvals in the 2018/2019 time frame after completion of several commercial flights on flown cores.

Would NASA rules apply in this case if GFZ is buying the launch?  (Do we already have a GRACE-FO thread anywhere?)

Would NASA rules apply in this case if GFZ is buying the launch?
That would be a Jim and Ed Kyle question. GFZ is a division of DLR and the launch is being acquired by NASA.
Do we already have a GRACE-FO thread anywhere?
Yes. Mission thread (there are probably a few others, but they are probably in the archives since GRACE-FO was originally planned to fly like its predecessors of Rockot): http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=35275.0

[AncientU]

Isn't there an IMARSAT launch (fourth I-5 platform) on an FH or F9 expendible in 2017?

[gongora]

Isn't there an IMARSAT launch (fourth I-5 platform) on an FH or F9 expendible in 2017?

I-5 F4.  It's been mentioned as around the end of 2016, and it's either on F9 (since FH isn't flying yet) or on Proton.  Most people seem to be assuming Proton, but we really don't know.  It could end up being a SpaceX launch.  The SpaceX launch schedule in the November-January timeframe is still a bit of a mystery.

[smoliarm]

Isn't there an IMARSAT launch (fourth I-5 platform) on an FH or F9 expendible in 2017?

I-5 F4.  It's been mentioned as around the end of 2016, and it's either on F9 (since FH isn't flying yet) or on Proton.  Most people seem to be assuming Proton, but we really don't know.  It could end up being a SpaceX launch.  The SpaceX launch schedule in the November-January timeframe is still a bit of a mystery.

AFAIU, the contract was for ONE launch PLUS two OPTIONS:
http://www.inmarsat.com/press-release/inmarsat-appoints-spacex-future-satellite-launches/
also this article adds some details:
http://spacenews.com/41121inmarsat-books-falcon-heavy-for-up-to-three-launches/

The firm part of the contract is EuropaSat/Hellas-Sat 3, which is listed here in the top post. The other two sats - Inmarsat 5 F4 and Inmarsat 6 - their launches (with Falcon) may be contingent on the result of the first launch, we don't know.

Here we also know that Inmarsat bought an option from ILS for one launch, which is [presumably] for one of these 3 satellites.
Other than that - I could not find any info.