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Re: North Korea missiles
« Reply #60 on: 05/14/2017 08:54 AM »
That's a file photo of the 11 February launch of Pukguksong-2. I don't believe photos of the actual launch have been released yet. The range is given as 700 km, so this might be a Hwasong-7 launch.

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but photo came with the article

Re: North Korea missiles
« Reply #61 on: 05/14/2017 05:32 PM »
North Korea’s Latest Missile Test: Advancing towards an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) While Avoiding US Military Action

http://38north.org/2017/05/jschilling051417/

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Re: North Korea missiles
« Reply #62 on: 05/15/2017 08:41 AM »
DPRK New Ballistic Rocket Hwasong 12 Test launch


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Re: North Korea missiles
« Reply #63 on: 05/15/2017 03:22 PM »
Hypergolic.  Hopefully they are designing their warheads to be able to survive a "Damascus Incident".

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Re: North Korea missiles
« Reply #64 on: 05/15/2017 03:44 PM »
Hopefully they are designing their warheads to be able to survive a "Damascus Incident".
They are in a rush. Missing obvious steps in development. So likely they skip that too, to save time/cost.

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Re: North Korea missiles
« Reply #65 on: 05/15/2017 05:23 PM »
Which is according to Jeffery Lewis one of the big problem the Chinese arms control experts have with NK.
Not so much that NK has the bomb but that they'll fsk up something. Say loosing containment of a test, again.

A much different threat perspective than in the US.

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Re: North Korea missiles
« Reply #66 on: 05/15/2017 05:27 PM »
Which is according to Jeffery Lewis one of the big problem the Chinese arms control experts have with NK.
Not so much that NK has the bomb but that they'll fsk up something. Say loosing containment of a test, again.

A much different threat perspective than in the US.

That they've studiously ignored for more than four decades ... that only they can take away. How much longer before it literally explodes in their face, when they then ... can ... no longer ... save face?  ::)

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Re: North Korea missiles
« Reply #67 on: 05/16/2017 10:41 AM »
The engine used on north koreas new hwasong-12 missile is the rocket engine that will be used for their new SLV. It has been tested twice so far in september 2016 and march 2017. The exhaust from the missile is very clear and looks like the exhaust from the combustion of a N204/UDMH hypergolic propellant mixture.

It is very likely that their next generation unha rocket will have a liftoff thrust in the range of 300-400 tons and a payload of 3-5 tons LEO and 1-2 tons GTO.

North korea is clearly making rapid progress in missile/rocket/nuclear technology. I suspect that by 2020 north korea will have a level of capability that we cannot even imagine right now. South korea and japan would best boost their investment in these areas so they do not end up lagging behind north korea.

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Re: North Korea missiles
« Reply #68 on: 05/16/2017 06:58 PM »
Who knows what the Chinese think?
They, and just about everyone else in the region, have thei own perspective, much different from than the others.

I'm still more concerned that a certain president decides that removing the (future) threat NK poses to his nation is worth the price the people in the region will have to pay for that. And then proceeds to find a justification to start the war. The drama has been toned down in the last days, but I'm not convinced. After all as long as the timing is right war is a tremendous way to get reelected....


For some reason I doubt that the upcoming 6th(?) nuclear test is a great reason to suddenly be all gung-ho about forcible disarmament. Not that the 7th or 8th test are a better moment.

The Hwasong 12 test and the accompanying propaganda does not help either. Most likely a single stage rocket so a lot of growth potential. By all accounts this is their own engine which removes their need to play rocket lego with knockoff engines.
Lewis thinks the emphasis on a "large and heavy" warhead in the propaganda is not so much about "Guess what, we don't need to miniaturize, we just use a bigger rocket." but rather hinting at a thermonuclear warhead.
I guess we'll find out with the next nuclear test. AFAIK most nuclear weapon states have made that step at this point in testing. - Which of course is not good news either.

Re: North Korea missiles
« Reply #69 on: 05/16/2017 07:00 PM »

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Re: North Korea missiles
« Reply #70 on: 05/16/2017 07:25 PM »
Who knows what the Chinese think?
They, and just about everyone else in the region, have thei own perspective, much different from than the others.
China has policy about not allowing threat of any kind on its borders. Recently they've allowed critical views to be aired on the subject, where they never did before. And they have acted on that policy many times.

So already and for decades it has been against their stated interest to have North Korea act this way.

What they have lacked is the will and the initiative to remedy the policy oversight.

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I'm still more concerned that a certain president decides that removing the (future) threat NK poses to his nation is worth the price the people in the region will have to pay for that.

He's an idiot elected by idiots for the benefits of an chosen to be idiotic party, who want idiotic things done. So clearly an idiotic reaction is to be expected. This has nothing to do with China, and there are many other competing idiotic games underway aimed at others. That's unfortunately irrelevant.

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And then proceeds to find a justification to start the war. The drama has been toned down in the last days, but I'm not convinced. After all as long as the timing is right war is a tremendous way to get reelected....
Again, irrelevant. Such will find some stupid justification that the gullible will buy off on. Bread and circuses.

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For some reason I doubt that the upcoming 6th(?) nuclear test is a great reason to suddenly be all gung-ho about forcible disarmament. Not that the 7th or 8th test are a better moment.
Bread and circuses.

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Lewis thinks the emphasis on a "large and heavy" warhead in the propaganda is not so much about "Guess what, we don't need to miniaturize, we just use a bigger rocket." but rather hinting at a thermonuclear warhead.
I guess we'll find out with the next nuclear test. AFAIK most nuclear weapon states have made that step at this point in testing. - Which of course is not good news either.
You look at yield, delivery system specs, and operational deployment/targets. And response to that.

You don't let irrational behavior make you irrational.

The downsides of the current nonsense in DC is that it appears to weaken the US appearance, which invites new issues as many test to see if there's really a response.

The only benefit, weak as it is, is that China has to grow a pair and see that it has far more to lose than the US does. Which, getting back to China's stated long term policy, is exactly the problem, where it's been all along.

Ironically, both China and Russia have played up against a stable US with feints. With the US possible less stable, perhaps they need to act more responsibly like "adults" instead of "kids"? Perhaps we'll see.

Re: North Korea missiles
« Reply #71 on: 05/18/2017 08:28 AM »
Warhead Reentry: What Could North Korea Learn from its Recent Missile Test?

http://allthingsnuclear.org/dwright/warhead-reentry






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Re: North Korea missiles
« Reply #72 on: 05/18/2017 08:34 AM »
Who knows what the Chinese think?

I sure hope our (Western) intelligence agencies do know what Chinese think.

Re: North Korea missiles
« Reply #73 on: 05/21/2017 09:37 AM »
North Korea seems to have fired another missile: S. Korean military

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/northkorea/2017/05/21/90/0401000000AEN20170521003000315F.html


Re: North Korea missiles
« Reply #74 on: 05/22/2017 08:40 AM »
Pukguksong-2 launch May 21, 2017


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Re: North Korea missiles
« Reply #75 on: 05/23/2017 02:55 PM »
Pukguksong 2 Launch - May 21st 2017 (Official KCTV broadcast)


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Re: North Korea missiles
« Reply #76 on: 05/24/2017 06:54 AM »
Whoa! They carried a camera in the nosecone. Got some great views of the Earth below.
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Re: North Korea missiles
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Re: North Korea missiles
« Reply #78 on: 05/25/2017 09:40 PM »
The Pukguksong-2: Lowering the Bar on Combat Readiness?

http://38north.org/2017/05/pukguksong2_052517/


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Re: North Korea missiles
« Reply #79 on: 05/28/2017 05:49 PM »
According to observers the missiles fired were of S-300/Buk/HQ-9 equivalent type weapons class. The certification test was for a new not publicly named anti aircraft/missile guided weapons system. The anti aircraft/missile guided weapons system appears to be derivative in operating characteristics to the listed foreign systems above:

Published on May 28, 2017
Kim Jong Un watched the test of new-type anti-aircraft guided weapon system organized by the Academy of National Defence Science.
Full english article: http://exploredprk.com/press/kim-jong-un-watches-test-of-new-type-anti-aircraft-guided-weapon-system/

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