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#200
by
Danderman
on 29 Jul, 2017 18:16
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It is possible that Hwasong 10 is failing because it is a stretched version of R-27, which could mean that the two verniers do not provide sufficient control authority for the vehicle during some flight phases. Addition of two more verniers would provide additional control authority, even with additional stage length.
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#201
by
Comet
on 29 Jul, 2017 19:36
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#202
by
hop
on 29 Jul, 2017 21:26
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You are certainly right about the 2 different TELs. I have seen HS10 on the 6 axle TEL, as well as HS12.
Yeah, H10 and H12 look like the same TEL, with the extra armor added for the HS12.
The H14 TEL is notorious Wanshan WS51200, "logging truck" imported from China, which appears similar to the MZKT-79221 TOPOL-M TEL, and was previously seen carrying around the KN-08/HS13(?)
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#203
by
Danderman
on 31 Jul, 2017 04:49
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To put the potential performance of the NK missiles into perspective, check out the performance of the R-29 derived Russian missiles:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shtil%27This R-29 deriviative is not only larger than Hwasong 14, it has a fully developed second stage. Yet, its orbital throw weight is tiny. These SLBMs are simply not intended to throw heavy payloads long distances. The Korean variants are less developed, as they are based on R-27, as far as is known.
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#204
by
hop
on 31 Jul, 2017 06:03
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#205
by
Danderman
on 31 Jul, 2017 10:59
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R-27 features a common bulkhead between the oxidizer and fuel, and the engine is submerged in the lower tank. Reforming these two design issues provides a missile about the same size as the HS14 first stage, with, of course, two extra vernier engines.
The HS10 and HS14 TELs are different in length, but similar in width.
All this tells us is HS10 and HS14 are in the same class regarding first stage performance.
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#206
by
Star One
on 01 Aug, 2017 12:57
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#207
by
Rocket Science
on 01 Aug, 2017 14:14
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Making the rounds is that the rapidity in NK ICBM program is being explained that they have been getting assistance from Pakistan for the warhead and ex-Russian rocket "scientists" for the missile...
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#208
by
Danderman
on 01 Aug, 2017 16:36
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Making the rounds is that the rapidity in NK ICBM program is being explained that they have been getting assistance from Pakistan for the warhead and ex-Russian rocket "scientists" for the missile...
It was reported in 1992 that engineers from the Makeyev design bureau were detained in Russia en route to North Korea. Since then, Makeyev designs have been used by NK. Not so rapid, though.
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#209
by
Rocket Science
on 01 Aug, 2017 21:39
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Making the rounds is that the rapidity in NK ICBM program is being explained that they have been getting assistance from Pakistan for the warhead and ex-Russian rocket "scientists" for the missile...
It was reported in 1992 that engineers from the Makeyev design bureau were detained in Russia en route to North Korea. Since then, Makeyev designs have been used by NK. Not so rapid, though.
This info was reported last night on CNN, other information on Dr. Khan's input can be found online...
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#210
by
Websorber
on 02 Aug, 2017 20:38
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North Korea shows KJU ordering ICBM Attack
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#211
by
Danderman
on 03 Aug, 2017 01:47
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Making the rounds is that the rapidity in NK ICBM program is being explained that they have been getting assistance from Pakistan for the warhead and ex-Russian rocket "scientists" for the missile...
It was reported in 1992 that engineers from the Makeyev design bureau were detained in Russia en route to North Korea. Since then, Makeyev designs have been used by NK. Not so rapid, though.
This info was reported last night on CNN, other information on Dr. Khan's input can be found online...
Dr. Khan is a nuclear engineer, not a rocket scientist.
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#212
by
Danderman
on 03 Aug, 2017 01:48
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North Korea shows KJU ordering ICBM Attack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvyFI5tW_Tg
Step 1 would be "design and build an ICBM".
One comment on the current hysteria: NK does not have a deliverable warhead anywhere close to what could be carried by an SS-18, let alone the experimental test rocket they are flying now. Every nuclear test to date has required filling some cavern with kilotons of TNT so that if the nuke fails, there will still be a large explosion with fissile material thrown into the air. Some of the tests are confirmed fizzles.
So, even if their test rocket could carry 650 kg as far as the US mainland, there is no warhead to carry.
Of course, that may change in the future.
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#213
by
hop
on 03 Aug, 2017 02:18
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One comment on the current hysteria: NK does not have a deliverable warhead anywhere close to what could be carried by an SS-18, let alone the experimental test rocket they are flying now.
You know this how, exactly? I'm not aware of any reliable public information about their weapon designs. If the disco ball is representative of a real weapon design, it would fit in their missiles, and people who know nukes seem to think it looks like it could be a real design.
If you think about where other nuclear weapon states were after 5 tests (or worse, 11 years after their first attempted detonation), there doesn't seem to be much reason to assume that DPRK can't weaponize one.
Every nuclear test to date has required filling some cavern with kilotons of TNT so that if the nuke fails, there will still be a large explosion with fissile material thrown into the air.
Source? I'm not aware of any credible sources reporting the "massive amounts of TNT" claim, and IIRC only two had any detected release of fission products, so the "fissile material thrown into the air" bit at least appears to be contradicted by available evidence.
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#214
by
Rocket Science
on 03 Aug, 2017 10:58
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Making the rounds is that the rapidity in NK ICBM program is being explained that they have been getting assistance from Pakistan for the warhead and ex-Russian rocket "scientists" for the missile...
It was reported in 1992 that engineers from the Makeyev design bureau were detained in Russia en route to North Korea. Since then, Makeyev designs have been used by NK. Not so rapid, though.
This info was reported last night on CNN, other information on Dr. Khan's input can be found online...
Dr. Khan is a nuclear engineer, not a rocket scientist.
That's why I stated Pakistan for the warhead... Guess where he is from, if you can...
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#215
by
input~2
on 05 Aug, 2017 14:13
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Air France expands no-fly zone around North Korea after missile scareJapan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said that it issued a warning to all vessels and aircraft operating within its exclusive economic zone eight minutes after the launch of the North Korean missile.
Air France confirmed it received the warning, but the message "did not specify any indication or instruction requiring an operational action on the part" of the airline. Two notices to airmen were published but not transmitted to the crew because "the event had already passed when they were sent by the Japanese authorities," the airline said.
Here are possibly the 2 NOTAMs referenced to in the CNN article:
J4845/17 NOTAMN
Q) RJJJ/QWMLW/IV/BO/EW/000/999/3310N14118E999
A) RJJJ B) 170728
1453 C) UFN
E) MISSILE POSSIBLY LAUNCHED FROM NORTH KOREA MAY FLY TOWARD
SEA AND AIRSPACE SURROUNDING JAPAN.
F) SFC G) UNL
J4847/17 NOTAMN
Q) RJJJ/QWMLW/IV/BO/EW/000/999/3310N14118E999
A) RJJJ B) 170728
1508 C) UFN
E) REF NOTAM RJAAYNYX J4845/17
ALL ACFT TO COMMUNICATE BY CWP AND/OR NP HF WI FUKUOKA FIR
REQUESTED TO KEEP LISTENING WATCH FOR THE HF FREQ TO BE PROVIDED
INFO CONCERNED LAUNCHING MISSILE FROM NORTH KOREA
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#216
by
Websorber
on 08 Aug, 2017 08:18
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#217
by
Star One
on 08 Aug, 2017 15:18
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North Korea's nuclear threat at a 'new stage', warns JapanDefence paper said it was possible that the regime was able to miniaturise a nuclear warhead to load it on to a missile
Scott LaFoy, a Washington-based imagery analyst focusing on ballistic missile and space technologies, said the report reflected “an increasing belief that North Korea either has or is very close to having a nuclear warhead”.
Based on data and projections by experts at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies, LaFoy told the Guardian: “I lean towards believing North Korea is either in possession of a device, or the potential sixth nuclear test will be the practical test of said device.
“The Japanese defence white paper doesn’t add much to this due to its expected government vagueness, but it is consistent with what I’m seeing.”
The report also cited Pyongyang’s attempts to improve its ability to conduct a surprise attack using solid-fuel missiles, which can be prepared for launch in less time than liquid-fuelled rockets and are therefore harder to detect.
“The risk that North Korea will deploy nuclear-tipped missiles covering Japanese territory will grow as time passes,” it warned.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/08/north-korea-nuclear-miniaturised-warhead-advanced-considerably-japan
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#218
by
Star One
on 08 Aug, 2017 19:59
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#219
by
Danderman
on 10 Aug, 2017 04:29
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