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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #880 on: 01/13/2019 01:25 pm »


Here we see some elements of the truth. They are not going to orbit any time soon. The Q1 launch will be a suborbital flight - they call it "space" like Virgin Galactic calls the 80km line "space".

It'd be impressive if they did. You can count the number of teams who have reached space with their own in-house liquid propellant engines on one hand. I can't think of one that has done it with a methane engine...

Their propellant is Propylene/Lox.

The engines at least resemble the engines Microcosm designed for their Scorpius Launch vehicles, there might . They are using pressurefed engines and have been testing 3d printed injectors for quite some time.
I really don't know what's holding them back so far, my guess would be avionics...

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #881 on: 01/17/2019 04:00 am »


Here we see some elements of the truth. They are not going to orbit any time soon. The Q1 launch will be a suborbital flight - they call it "space" like Virgin Galactic calls the 80km line "space".

It'd be impressive if they did. You can count the number of teams who have reached space with their own in-house liquid propellant engines on one hand. I can't think of one that has done it with a methane engine...

Their propellant is Propylene/Lox.

The engines at least resemble the engines Microcosm designed for their Scorpius Launch vehicles, there might . They are using pressurefed engines and have been testing 3d printed injectors for quite some time.
I really don't know what's holding them back so far, my guess would be avionics...
Switching from Garvey Space Systems flight hardware tube, aluminium stages and traditional engines to new VSS composite stages with fully 3d printed engine components assembled with a Carbon fibre MCC and Nozzle (with ablative cooling). The GSS P rockets did all of the avionics, tvc and other hardware flight tests. Now the new materials and engines have to finish stand alone and combined systems tests.

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #882 on: 01/18/2019 12:48 pm »
Couple of interesting SEC filings from Vector Launch Inc. that give the underlying truth to some of their financing claims:-

http://pdf.secdatabase.com/724/0001756879-18-000002.pdf
http://pdf.secdatabase.com/725/0001756879-18-000003.pdf

First file shows they raised $27,182,000, which includes $6,000,000 of converted debt from a previous funding round, making the net raise ~$21,000,000 as they claimed in PR.

Second file shows they raised $67,069,000 in the last raise (publicized last October) but yet again that included $20,145,000 in conversions of notes from the previous $21,000,000 round, so actually a net raise of just $46,923,000.

So given they probably already burned all / a very significant piece of the original $6,000,000 and the subsequent $21,000,000, they probably have around $45,000,000 in cash available just now to get them to orbit.

As usual you have to check the math.
« Last Edit: 01/18/2019 12:49 pm by ringsider »

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #883 on: 01/19/2019 07:15 pm »
https://twitter.com/vectorspacesys/status/1086716404328329216

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Vector-R block 1001, stage 1 coming together today..

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https://twitter.com/vectorspacesys/status/1086719177195278336

https://twitter.com/vectorspacesys/status/1086720563723157504

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #884 on: 01/20/2019 07:28 am »
https://twitter.com/vectorspacesys/status/1086780841475268608

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Some Vector-R Block 1001 components for your Saturday evening viewing pleasure.. #NewSpaceRace

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #885 on: 01/22/2019 06:55 pm »
Wouldn’t the convertible notes into the latest round still count as cash they have in the bank? Regardless of whether it was a converted note or newly closed equity, unless they’ve spent that capital too they should still have it. I’d imagine they weren’t saying the ~$21M from prior closed rounds was counting against the new ~$70M round

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #886 on: 01/22/2019 10:24 pm »
Very good sleuthing! Have you seen anything for Astra, Relativity or Firefly?

So given they probably already burned all / a very significant piece of the original $6,000,000 and the subsequent $21,000,000, they probably have around $45,000,000 in cash available just now to get them to orbit.

As usual you have to check the math.

They're not that big yet, I wouldn't assume they have burned through those $27M already.

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #887 on: 01/23/2019 03:01 pm »
https://twitter.com/jamesncantrell/status/1088086982230630401
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Propylene fuel arrives on Kodiak, Pad C for Vector is complete and @vectorspacesys Vector-R 1001 ready for shipment to Arizona Test Site on Feb 8 for stage testing.  Meanwhile, USG shutdown stops FAA's ability to finish our launch license. Hoping DC gets its act together soon.

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #888 on: 01/25/2019 06:04 am »
https://twitter.com/vectorspacesys/status/1088677692549951488

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Heres some long duration Vector-R stage 1 engine testing from earlier this evening for your viewing (and listening) pleasure (note we're still working on perfecting image stabilization of our cameras at night with the high thrust engines)  #NewSpaceRace

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #889 on: 02/05/2019 05:22 am »
https://twitter.com/jamesncantrell/status/1092663120495968256

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Vector-R 1001 flight unit coming together @vectorspacesys Huntington Beach facility.  This will be our first Block 1 flight unit.

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #890 on: 02/05/2019 04:09 pm »
https://twitter.com/jamesncantrell/status/1092663120495968256

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Vector-R 1001 flight unit coming together @vectorspacesys Huntington Beach facility.  This will be our first Block 1 flight unit.

Oh, so it actually wasn't the FAA holding them up for launch... Who would have thought?

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #891 on: 02/05/2019 06:38 pm »
Oh, so it actually wasn't the FAA holding them up for launch... Who would have thought?

I think the thing they are trying to launch right now is their B 0.003 vehicle (on a likely underwhelming suborbital hop). That one might have been held up by the government shutdown.

The thing in the picture is their orbital vehicle, or version B1.001.
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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #892 on: 02/05/2019 07:20 pm »
Oh, so it actually wasn't the FAA holding them up for launch... Who would have thought?

I think the thing they are trying to launch right now is their B 0.003 vehicle (on a likely underwhelming suborbital hop). That one might have been held up by the government shutdown.

The thing in the picture is their orbital vehicle, or version B1.001.

Yes but the point is that the orbital vehicle was supposed to be ready last summer, and what has been holding it back is not any kind of government delays.

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #893 on: 02/06/2019 07:57 pm »
http://spaceflight.com/spaceflight-signs-launch-services-agreement-with-vector-for-multiple-launches/
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Spaceflight Signs Launch Services Agreement with Vector for Multiple Launches

Agreement confirms a 2019 launch with multiple options for future launches

TUCSON, Ariz. and SEATTLE — Feb. 6, 2019 — Spaceflight, the leading launch and mission management rideshare services provider, today announced it has signed a definitive Launch Services Agreement (LSA) with Vector, a leading microsatellite launch company. The LSA is for a 2019 launch with multiple priced options for future launches, leveraging the Vector-R launch vehicle.

Vector and Spaceflight are also working towards a unique integration agreement that leverages Spaceflight’s state-of-the-art integration facility in Auburn, Wash., its proven processes, and experienced mission management and engineering teams. Under the terms of the agreement, Spaceflight will receive the entire Vector-R fairing at its facility in Auburn, Wash., conduct all the integration services for its rideshare customers, and then ship the fully integrated fairing to the launch site. This integration approach, coupled with Vector’s mobile launch system, enables a significant reduction in the time from when a customer spacecraft is received at the integration facility to when it is actually launched.

“We’re always looking for new ways to get our customers’ spacecraft on orbit, which means working with other industry leaders to deliver creative solutions,” said Melissa Wuerl, vice president of business development at Spaceflight. “This unique LSA demonstrates our belief in Vector’s potential and commitment to providing customers the most variety in launch vehicle access.”

“Spaceflight’s selection of Vector demonstrates the rising demand for increased access to space,” said Robert R. Cleave, chief revenue officer at Vector. “Spaceflight pioneered the rideshare market and consistently demonstrates an innovative approach to business through multiple enabling launch options. Vector is excited by the opportunity to embark on this journey with Spaceflight and develop a solution that furthers both organization’s missions.”

The new contract comes on the heels of Spaceflight’s agreement to launch Brazil’s INPE Amazonia-1 spacecraft, which represents the company’s largest rideshare satellite to date, and its historic dedicated rideshare launch of 64 smallsats on its SSO-A mission aboard a SpaceX Falcon 9 in December 2018. With the success of SSO-A, Spaceflight has now launched more than 210 satellites since its founding in 2011. In addition, the company is contracted to launch nearly 100 satellites in 2019 from a variety of launch vehicles including Falcon 9, PSLV, Antares, Electron, and Vega.

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #894 on: 02/07/2019 12:20 am »
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1093317865732800517

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Jim Cantrell, Vector: will do a suborbital test flight in May, and first orbital flight in August. Manifest for 2019 sold out. #smallsat2019

Quite the delays.

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #895 on: 02/07/2019 01:32 am »
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They're not that big yet, I wouldn't assume they have burned through those $27M already.

Let's hope they haven't blown most of it on Aeron chairs.  Seriously, Déjà vu; would not be surprised if they are looking for another round of funding within 12 months.  If they don't get orbital--or at least show being able to hit their predictions--it is likely to be a bloodbath next round.

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #896 on: 02/07/2019 02:51 pm »
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1093317865732800517

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Jim Cantrell, Vector: will do a suborbital test flight in May, and first orbital flight in August. Manifest for 2019 sold out. #smallsat2019
He also said Vector H will be late 2020/early 2021

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #897 on: 02/15/2019 07:38 pm »
https://twitter.com/spaceflorida/status/1096065661363781637

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Lightning Protection System construction at Space Florida's SLC-46 is set to get underway today. Here are some "before" images:

https://twitter.com/spaceflorida/status/1096478879064182784

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Update from Space Florida's SLC-46 as Lightning Protection System construction continues!

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #898 on: 02/15/2019 10:12 pm »
It's funny how people think of me as a cynic but I soooo reserve judgement of small outfits like this, more than they deserve I think  ;D It just seems fair. If you have a billionaire backer and you can't get anything done I'm going to be much more critical.
Human spaceflight is basically just LARPing now.

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #899 on: 02/16/2019 04:03 am »
It's funny how people think of me as a cynic but I soooo reserve judgement of small outfits like this, more than they deserve I think  ;D It just seems fair. If you have a billionaire backer and you can't get anything done I'm going to be much more critical.

(fan) I think you should get some props for that. Especially in this case, given the reputation that Mr. Cantrell has.
But you're still a cynic.
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