Rokot launch with Geo-IK-2 n°12L - June 4, 2016

[Nicolas PILLET]

Geo-IK-2 satellite has departed ISS Reshetnyov for Plesetsk cosmodrome.

http://www.iss-reshetnev.ru/media/news/news-310316

[Flying Beaver]

Any updates on this launch?

Also how long before launch should we expect the NOTAMs to go up?

[russianhalo117]

typically around 1-3 days before launch for Rockot and Strela Launches

[input~2]

Launch postponed to early June for technical reasons
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/507722

[input~2]

Launch planned for June 4
http://mundo.sputniknews.com/espacio/20160513/1059604806/rusia-lanzamiento-satelite.html

[input~2]

Launch planned from 13:45 UTC

A0209/16 -  TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ACTIVATED THE MINISTRY OF DEFENSE OF RUSSIA PLANS TO LAUNCH MISSILE, AND TO SINK ITS FRAGMENTS IN THE WATERS OF THE BAFFINN SEA. CHARACTERS OF THE IMPACT AREA BOUNDED BY: 773500N0760315W 773520N0741200W 770730N0730715W 764645N0742915W 764645N0760300W 770020N0770200W 772025N0771130W. SFC - FL195, DAILY 1345-1445, 04 JUN 13:45 2016 UNTIL 05 JUN 14:45 2016. CREATED: 27 MAY 10:17 2016

A0310/16 -  TEMPORARY DANGER AREA ESTABLISHED WITHIN BGGL FIR. RUSSIAN MISSILE LAUNCH WILL TAKE PLACE. DEBRIS IMPACTED AREA IN THE BAFFIN SEA BOUNDED BY: N773500 W0760315 N773520 W0741200 N770730 W0730715 N764645 W0742915 N764645 W0760300 N770020 W0770200 N772025 W0771130 N773500 W0760315. FL195 - UNL, DAILY 1345-1515, 04 JUN 13:45 2016 UNTIL 05 JUN 15:15 2016. CREATED: 27 MAY 10:24 2016

A1611/16 -  FOLLOWING RECIEVED FM MAIN AIR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT CENTER OF RUSSIA AT 1605270853: RUSSIA PLANS TO LAUNCH MISSILE IN THE SPACE IN THE PERIOD FROM 1345 TO 1445 ON JUNE 04, 2016 (ALT. DATE: JUNE 05, 2016 FROM 1345 TO 1445) AND TO SINK ITS FRAGMENTES IN THE WATERS OF THE BARENTS SEA. CHARACTERISTICS OF IMPACT AREAS: AREA  1: 721815N 0305430E - 721015N 0314610E - 714855N 0321827E - 713142N 0320630E - 713940N 0311630E - 720055N 0304305E - 721815N 0305430E AREA  2: 742555N 0255310E - 742915N 0274810E - 740345N 0285315E - 733545N 0280535E- 733235N 0261635E - 735715N 0250930E - 742555N 0255310E. GND - UNL,DAILY 1345-1445, 04 JUN 13:45 2016 UNTIL 05 JUN 14:45 2016. CREATED: 27 MAY 11:06 2016

[Jeff Lerner]

"...Debris from a Russian rocket launch is slated to fall Saturday into Baffin Bay......."


https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/05/31/potentially-toxic-russian-space-debris-set-to-drop-on-canadian-arctic.html

[Flying Beaver]

Press in Canada reporting about the hydrazine-fueled second stage debris splashing down in Baffin Bay.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/russian-rocket-launch-debris-expected-to-splash-down-in-canadian-arctic/article30223521/

[Galactic Penguin SST]

"...Debris from a Russian rocket launch is slated to fall Saturday into Baffin Bay......."


https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/05/31/potentially-toxic-russian-space-debris-set-to-drop-on-canadian-arctic.html

....and Greenpeace didn't know that more than 20 Rockot flights have flew through the Arctic already and that the Russians are getting rid of it too? 

[Star One]

"...Debris from a Russian rocket launch is slated to fall Saturday into Baffin Bay......."


https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/05/31/potentially-toxic-russian-space-debris-set-to-drop-on-canadian-arctic.html

....and Greenpeace didn't know that more than 20 Rockot flights have flew through the Arctic already and that the Russians are getting rid of it too? 

What has the fact that it will be phased out sometime next decade got to do with the issue now.

[Star One]

"...Debris from a Russian rocket launch is slated to fall Saturday into Baffin Bay......."


https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/05/31/potentially-toxic-russian-space-debris-set-to-drop-on-canadian-arctic.html

....and Greenpeace didn't know that more than 20 Rockot flights have flew through the Arctic already and that the Russians are getting rid of it too? 

That's a pretty spurious point being as it will not be phased out until sometime later next decade and therefore will no doubt make plenty more flights before that time.

[AirmanPika]

Lets see if I can get a better video this time around of the 2nd stage reentry. Last one in Feb was father fuzzy but now I know where to point a good zoom lens.

[Chris Bergin]

Standing by for news!

[Artyom.]

Launch!

http://ria.ru/science/20160604/1442897839.html

[Chris Bergin]

Thanks Artyom!

Article:
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2016/06/russian-rokot-launches-geo-ik-2-environmentalists/

[Artyom.]

All OK. The Breeze-KM upper stage separated.

http://tass.ru/kosmos/3339741

[Artyom.]

Spacecraft separation - http://ria.ru/science/20160604/1442928541.html !

[input~2]

Launch video

[john smith 19]

Spacecraft separation - http://ria.ru/science/20160604/1442928541.html !

I'd love to know the safety record of these vehicles as they seem to have done the unthinkable (in the West) of common bulkhead tanks for hypergolic fuels, something forbidden for the Titan launch vehicles.

[Star One]

Certainly gives the launch tube a good blasting with flame when it takes off. Do they reuse the tubes or does a fresh one have to be used for each launch?

[edkyle99]

Is it correct to say that the second stage debris impact zone was in international waters, but also within Canada's (EDIT:  and Denmark's) claimed exclusive economic zone?  I seem to recall a similar kerfuffle about a Titan 4 second stage drop zone a few years back.

 - Ed Kyle

[Chris Bergin]

I like the burp from the launch tube at the end of the video!

[robertross]

Is it correct to say that the second stage debris impact zone was in international waters, but also within Canada's claimed exclusive economic zone?  I seem to recall a similar kerfuffle about a Titan 4 second stage drop zone a few years back.

 - Ed Kyle

There is a lot of talk going on in Canada about what to do about this issue. The stage, which is said to have about 10% residual Hydrazine, is expected to impact an area crucial for both Russian & Canadian Innuit peoples livelihoods - it is where they go fishing & the source of fish & other hunted species.

[russianhalo117]

Is it correct to say that the second stage debris impact zone was in international waters, but also within Canada's claimed exclusive economic zone?  I seem to recall a similar kerfuffle about a Titan 4 second stage drop zone a few years back.

 - Ed Kyle

yes because of treaty definitions governing the Arctic Ocean. An amendment to an older treaty is in works to establish each country's exclusive economic zone as territorial waters. The United States and some countries in Europe have been fighting it as that would allow Russia to increase military aggression in the there economic zone as some country's would lose lose underwater land if the international protections were ended under the amendment

[edkyle99]

Is it correct to say that the second stage debris impact zone was in international waters, but also within Canada's claimed exclusive economic zone?  I seem to recall a similar kerfuffle about a Titan 4 second stage drop zone a few years back.

 - Ed Kyle

There is a lot of talk going on in Canada about what to do about this issue. The stage, which is said to have about 10% residual Hydrazine, is expected to impact an area crucial for both Russian & Canadian Innuit peoples livelihoods - it is where they go fishing & the source of fish & other hunted species.

The question I have, and that would need to be answered accurately for Canada to claim that the stage is a danger to "the protection and preservation of the marine environment" in its economic zone per the UN articles, is what is left of the stage when it reaches the surface?  I suspect that it is traveling at near-orbital velocity, and so will likely break up and partially burn up, but that is only a guess.

 - Ed Kyle

[russianhalo117]

Is it correct to say that the second stage debris impact zone was in international waters, but also within Canada's claimed exclusive economic zone?  I seem to recall a similar kerfuffle about a Titan 4 second stage drop zone a few years back.

 - Ed Kyle

There is a lot of talk going on in Canada about what to do about this issue. The stage, which is said to have about 10% residual Hydrazine, is expected to impact an area crucial for both Russian & Canadian Innuit peoples livelihoods - it is where they go fishing & the source of fish & other hunted species.

before the plan to retire Rockot, Strela and Kosmos families it was originally planned to implement the burn to depletion technological hardware and software used on Proton-M to burn off and release before impact with the ground all onboard fuel, oxidizer, and pressurants.

[AirmanPika]

Unfortunately no reentry video today. It was too cloudy.

[input~2]

2 objects have been cataloged by USSTRATCOM

2016-034A/41579 in 935 x 963 km x 99.27° (Geo-IK-2)
2016-034B/41580 in 660 x 959 km x 99.23° (Briz-KM)

[smoliarm]

Is it correct to say that the second stage debris impact zone was in international waters, but also within Canada's claimed exclusive economic zone?  I seem to recall a similar kerfuffle about a Titan 4 second stage drop zone a few years back.

 - Ed Kyle

There is a lot of talk going on in Canada about what to do about this issue. The stage, which is said to have about 10% residual Hydrazine, is expected to impact an area crucial for both Russian & Canadian Innuit peoples livelihoods - it is where they go fishing & the source of fish & other hunted species.

before the plan to retire Rockot, Strela and Kosmos families it was originally planned to implement the burn to depletion technological hardware and software used on Proton-M to burn off and release before impact with the ground all onboard fuel, oxidizer, and pressurants.

What happened to these plans?

[baldusi]

Angara-1.2 and Soyuz-2.1v?

[denis]

Does anyone know how many Rockot are left ?
I thought that Sentinel 5p and 2-B (to be launched this year / early 2017) were the last to be sold commercially by Eurockot, but I guess some more are left for Russian use ?

[russianhalo117]

Does anyone know how many Rockot are left ?
I thought that Sentinel 5p and 2-B (to be launched this year / early 2017) were the last to be sold commercially by Eurockot, but I guess some more are left for Russian use ?

The entire former Soviet inventory excluding expired serials. around a few hundred awaiting to be pulled out of Strategic missile forces assignments for the conversion work. there is a number on a previous Russian thread of the exact number of UR-100 missiles that are available and a list of the specific versions of UR-100 that can the upgraded and/or converted for orbital flight straight out of the silo launcher tube

[Stan Black]

Does anyone know how many Rockot are left ?
I thought that Sentinel 5p and 2-B (to be launched this year / early 2017) were the last to be sold commercially by Eurockot, but I guess some more are left for Russian use ?

Possibly another 5; Briz-KM up to serial number 72531.
http://www.omskprofpol.su/images/stories/documents/Archive/2014/1_Заводская_жизнь_январь_2015.pdf
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=36777.msg1503149#msg1503149
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=5966.msg1403885#msg1403885

[AirmanPika]

Does anyone know how many Rockot are left ?
I thought that Sentinel 5p and 2-B (to be launched this year / early 2017) were the last to be sold commercially by Eurockot, but I guess some more are left for Russian use ?

The entire former Soviet inventory excluding expired serials. around a few hundred awaiting to be pulled out of Strategic missile forces assignments for the conversion work. there is a number on a previous Russian thread of the exact number of UR-100 missiles that are available and a list of the specific versions of UR-100 that can the upgraded and/or converted for orbital flight straight out of the silo launcher tube

Are you saying there are decades of potential Rokots left?

[Phillip Clark]

Should the discussion about the availability of Rokot be on a separate thread?   It has taken over the discussion of GEO-IK-2 which is the subject of this thread!

[input~2]

Another launch video