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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #2420 on: 02/27/2018 12:34 AM »
Well did a quick search on the state site, a person is given as the manager of the LLC. But all adresses are the same and are that of SeaTran Marine.

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #2421 on: 02/27/2018 01:30 AM »
Well did a quick search on the state site, a person is given as the manager of the LLC. But all adresses are the same and are that of SeaTran Marine.

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The registered agent on file is Blake Miguez, the President/CEO of SeaTran Marine, LLC: http://www.seatranmarine.com/team/blake-j-miguez
The other agent listed is Blake's father --- SeaTran is a family business (as is Guice Offshore).

Since the LLC hasn't changed ownership recently (according to your docs) and the LLC still owns the boat, I think it's pretty certain that SeaTran still effectively owns the boat.  Guice Offshore must be under contract to operate it, or something.  Makes me wonder if that handsome GO logo is actually painted on, maybe it's just a large magnetic sign.

This makes the rumor that the sailors have a GO (something) name for this boat more intriguing; are we catching a glimpse of the future with a sale pending that hasn't yet gotten through its paperwork, or is GO (whatever) just a sailors' joke/nickname?  If it's a joke name, that's even more fun. :)

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #2422 on: 02/27/2018 02:04 AM »
I thought WE started that rumor that it had a different name.... or maybe it was FB. do we know that the sailors do?

(oh the minutia we obsess over)
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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #2423 on: 02/27/2018 09:05 AM »
There's definitely something interesting going on: the boat was bought from the builder for $1 (!) which suggests that some other form of compensation was made.  Perhaps the builder created the LLC, then sold the LLC  to SeaTran instead of the boat. Perhaps the $22 million number is the actual cost of the boat, and the $50 million loan includes other assets (a second boat?) transferred to Mr Steven LLC as additional collateral for that mortgage. Maybe those two boats were split into separate mortgages in the latest transaction.

Financial engineering.

It's relatively common for the Bill of Sale (it may be called something different in commercial shipping in the US) of a vessel to state the purchase price as $1 / £1 "and other considerations" - with the other (unspecified) considerations being the rest of the money.

There would also be an invoice which accounts for the transfer of the full sum of money (and presumably any taxation).

Why? Because when you come to sell the vessel, whoever buys it will get the paperwork (ie original Bill of Sale) which won't disclose the actual amount paid for it.

Similarly from a boat builder's point of view, if they can withhold the exact price, the may be advantageous when seeking further contracts.
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I saw a picture a few days ago on how JRTI wasn't in fit shape for a landing, and had a lot of required parts missing:
https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/7y95lz/just_read_the_instructions_taken_today_in_long/?sort=new

Iridium5 is due to land on it in a month - what are the odds it will be fixed by then?
Is there a possibility that it ends up being expendable?

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #2425 on: 02/27/2018 09:18 PM »
I saw a picture a few days ago on how JRTI wasn't in fit shape for a landing, and had a lot of required parts missing:
https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/7y95lz/just_read_the_instructions_taken_today_in_long/?sort=new

Iridium5 is due to land on it in a month - what are the odds it will be fixed by then?
Is there a possibility that it ends up being expendable?

Iridium 5 is a going on a used Block 3 (or 4?) booster. SpaceX has been discarding those lately, so expendable seems likely.

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #2426 on: 02/28/2018 02:20 PM »
Block 4.

None of which have yet flown twice, so there's no history to indicate whether they will be limited to 2 flights (as appears to have happened with Block 3).

The pro-landing argument would be to get data on a twice-flown Block 4 core; the anti-landing argument would be whether or not they have a functioning ASDS to land on.

Unless they have the margins to get a Block 4 core back to VAFB...

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #2427 on: 02/28/2018 03:26 PM »
I don't think they will bother with re-using block 4 more than once.
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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #2428 on: 03/19/2018 10:42 AM »
Octagrabber, apparently.

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #2429 on: 03/20/2018 08:26 AM »
One thing that struck me about the photos of the Octograbber, and as commented on on that thread, was the lack of any cabling. Either they just haven't hooked it up yet, or they've made it self-contained.

I can't see any sign that they've put any kind of shielding over the Octograbber lair, right behind the door but forward of the white container. I figured they would, given that it got blasted by a landing F9 (if I remember right).

I also wonder if the state of JRTI (apparently out of service at the moment) is due in part to SpaceX doing a bit of rearranging in order to create an Octograbber lair on it.

And in possible other ASDS news, do we know if Elsbeth III is still an ASDS tug? The reason I ask is that, per Vesslefinder
https://www.vesselfinder.com/?mmsi=367017460 
She's been in Morgan City Beach (where, I think, the ASDS were converted) since Feb 24th. It made me wonder if the reason is that that's where the new ASDS is being built?

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #2430 on: 03/20/2018 01:36 PM »
One thing that struck me about the photos of the Octograbber, and as commented on on that thread, was the lack of any cabling. Either they just haven't hooked it up yet, or they've made it self-contained.

I can't see any sign that they've put any kind of shielding over the Octograbber lair, right behind the door but forward of the white container. I figured they would, given that it got blasted by a landing F9 (if I remember right).

I also wonder if the state of JRTI (apparently out of service at the moment) is due in part to SpaceX doing a bit of rearranging in order to create an Octograbber lair on it.

And in possible other ASDS news, do we know if Elsbeth III is still an ASDS tug? The reason I ask is that, per Vesslefinder
https://www.vesselfinder.com/?mmsi=367017460 
She's been in Morgan City Beach (where, I think, the ASDS were converted) since Feb 24th. It made me wonder if the reason is that that's where the new ASDS is being built?
Wasn’t blasted during a landing. RP-1 fire from fuel that dripped from stage and pooled in the area of the Octagrabber garage. Probably advisable to put some system in place to prevent fuel from pooling there but otherwise no additional armor needed.

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #2431 on: 03/21/2018 03:36 PM »
GO Searcher is back to doing something within a few miles of the Port entrance, lots and lots of arrival/departure notices similar to what she was doing during Crew Dragon recovery ops validation. Anyone at the Port? ;)

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #2432 on: 03/22/2018 02:29 PM »
GO Searcher is back to doing something within a few miles of the Port entrance, lots and lots of arrival/departure notices similar to what she was doing during Crew Dragon recovery ops validation. Anyone at the Port? ;)

On the facebook group, Go Searcher pictures have been published yesterday, with a dragon in the back.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1853492181347677&set=gm.10156432667171318&type=3&theater&ifg=1

So I guess we are seeing similar activities.

Mr. Steven has also been spotted from the starbucks of Palos Verdes around the same time
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1991007950927067&set=gm.10156432852011318&type=3&theater&ifg=1

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #2433 on: 03/26/2018 07:25 PM »
New article with nice Roomba image:
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SpaceX’s drone ship fleet spied prepping for future rocket recoveries
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...nicknamed Roomba or Octagrabber...
https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-drone-ship-fleet-spied-rocket-recovery/

Optimus Prime. Octopus prime. Not Roomba.
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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #2434 on: 03/26/2018 07:47 PM »
New article with nice Roomba image:
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SpaceX’s drone ship fleet spied prepping for future rocket recoveries
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...nicknamed Roomba or Octagrabber...
https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-drone-ship-fleet-spied-rocket-recovery/

Optimus Prime. Octopus prime. Not Roomba.

Heheheh. It's a lovingly-chosen nickname ;D but fiiiiiiine, I'll stick with Octagrabber...

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #2435 on: 04/06/2018 06:16 PM »
What's up ASoG?

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #2436 on: 04/09/2018 03:58 AM »
What's up ASoG?

It's been a mystery. A reliable source familiar with the two existing Marmac-based ASDS's says McDonough Marine is not part of any new ASDS procurement, and doesn't have any idea where it might be happening. He thinks SpaceX may have gone to a different builder on the West Coast, which would explain why the usual folks in Louisiana don't seem to be involved this time.
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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #2437 on: 04/10/2018 01:33 AM »
What's up ASoG?

It's been a mystery. A reliable source familiar with the two existing Marmac-based ASDS's says McDonough Marine is not part of any new ASDS procurement, and doesn't have any idea where it might be happening. He thinks SpaceX may have gone to a different builder on the West Coast, which would explain why the usual folks in Louisiana don't seem to be involved this time.

If they've decided to build from scratch (as some have suggested) it'll be a pile of largely-unrecognisable steel plates locked away in a shed someplace and isn't likely to see light of day until launch time.  That could be months away.
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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #2438 on: 04/11/2018 09:37 AM »
Also possible that ASoG will be a new design, closer to the BFS launcher animations.  Elon's announcement might have just marked the start of design work; actual construction might be some way off.

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #2439 on: 04/11/2018 11:59 AM »
Also possible that ASoG will be a new design, closer to the BFS launcher animations.  Elon's announcement might have just marked the start of design work; actual construction might be some way off.

Interesting possibility, given what he said during the FH post-launch presser about BFS hopper tests:
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Well, by hopper tests, I mean kind of like, where we had the Grasshopper program for Falcon 9, where we just had the rocket take off and land in Texas, at our Texas test site. So that would be, we'll either do that at our South Texas launch site, near Brownsville, or do ship to ship. We're not sure yet whether ship to ship or Brownsville, but most likely it's going to happen at our Brownsville location, because we've got a lot of land with nobody around, and so if it blows up, it's cool.

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