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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #1280 on: 06/25/2016 10:08 PM »

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #1281 on: 06/25/2016 10:12 PM »
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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #1282 on: 06/25/2016 10:32 PM »

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #1283 on: 06/26/2016 12:12 AM »
From Jim's pic posted up above...
Looks like OCISLY is being or has been de-ballasted for it's trip to the dry dock...
Floating high in the water...  8)

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #1284 on: 06/26/2016 01:08 AM »

My options in order of likelihood are:
1.  Container Terminal Phase II which isn't finished and is right next door;
2.  NCB1 in the Middle Turning Basin (but this might be a Morton Salt dock);
3.  Proposed Auto/rail new car marine terminal past Coast Guard station at NCB88;
4.  Army Transportation Dock in Middle Turning Basin &
5.  North side of newly widened entry channel on Cape Canaveral Air Force Station property

1. That is for containers and hence no more available than current location
2.  It is the Morton dock and it is constantly in use.  either tankers or ROROs (see #3) are there.
3.  The port does get many car carriers and so this is very likely.  BTW, it is NCB8.
4.  Its the Army's and not available long term
5. That isn't going to be a place to berth.  Just a wider channel.  And the area is where most of the spoils from the Trident turn basis went .  Very high banks and land.   Also, it is on the Cape which Spacex is avoiding.

1. NCB5 is nothing but a parking lot and they don't even have enough containers for phase I
3. NCB8 is close to Cruise Terminal CT5 and proposed location of a RO/RO Car transfer facility.  But possible
4. There is unused seawall between Army dock and Naval Ordinance dock.
    Plus very close to SpaceX Cape offices & Air Force Space & Missile History Center, perfect tie-in!
5. Is unlikely but is just empty land with a forest, and they could dig ADLS dock inland.
    Plus ASDL could maneuver itself into cut-out docking area in berm.
6. Figure out how to get ASDL through 90' wide Barge Canal into Banana River and back to KSC
« Last Edit: 06/26/2016 01:09 AM by OpelGT »

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OCISLY drydock update:
She will also reportedly have her bottom plates numbered in order to make her eligible for the Coast Guard's UWILD (Underwater Inspection in Lieu of Drydock) program.

I wonder if there might be a similar reason that a commercial diver doing underwater construction in Louisiana later told his old girlfriend cutting my hair in Atlanta GA last month that he was working for SpaceX out in California. She didn't know exactly what he was doing for SpaceX and I couldn't figure it out at the time either, but maybe JRTI already has her numbers.
« Last Edit: 06/26/2016 04:22 AM by CyndyC »
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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #1286 on: 06/26/2016 11:47 AM »
OCISLY drydock update:
She will also reportedly have her bottom plates numbered in order to make her eligible for the Coast Guard's UWILD (Underwater Inspection in Lieu of Drydock) program.

I wonder if there might be a similar reason that a commercial diver doing underwater construction in Louisiana later told his old girlfriend cutting my hair in Atlanta GA last month that he was working for SpaceX out in California. She didn't know exactly what he was doing for SpaceX and I couldn't figure it out at the time either, but maybe JRTI already has her numbers.

No, source says JRtI will be numbered when she gets drydocked next.

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #1287 on: 06/26/2016 04:17 PM »

1. NCB5 is nothing but a parking lot and they don't even have enough containers for phase I
3. NCB8 is close to Cruise Terminal CT5 and proposed location of a RO/RO Car transfer facility  But possible
4. There is unused seawall between Army dock and Naval Ordinance dock.!
5. Is unlikely but is just empty land with they could dig ADLS dock inland.
    Plus ASDL could maneuver itself into cut-out docking area in berm.
6. Figure out how to get ASDL through 90' wide Barge Canal into Banana River and back to KSC

1.  Doesn't matter, they are not going to assign it to ASDS.
2. Not possible, the RORO is going to happen
3.  No, That is area is used.  The ships tie off to the piers that and it is a RORO dock.  Anyways, it needs to be on the public part of the port.
4. the Air Force is not going to do that
6.  still the same problems.
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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #1288 on: 06/26/2016 09:35 PM »

1. NCB5 is nothing but a parking lot and they don't even have enough containers for phase I
3. NCB8 is close to Cruise Terminal CT5 and proposed location of a RO/RO Car transfer facility  But possible
4. There is unused seawall between Army dock and Naval Ordinance dock.!
5. Is unlikely but is just empty land with they could dig ADLS dock inland.
    Plus ASDL could maneuver itself into cut-out docking area in berm.
6. Figure out how to get ASDL through 90' wide Barge Canal into Banana River and back to KSC

1.  Doesn't matter, they are not going to assign it to ASDS.
2. Not possible, the RORO is going to happen
3.  No, That is area is used.  The ships tie off to the piers that and it is a RORO dock.  Anyways, it needs to be on the public part of the port.
4. the Air Force is not going to do that
6.  still the same problems.

So where will they go then? The Port already said they were negotiating with SpaceX. Are you saying they are lying to them since there is no place they could build their facility?

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #1289 on: 06/26/2016 10:28 PM »

So where will they go then? The Port already said they were negotiating with SpaceX. Are you saying they are lying to them since there is no place they could build their facility?

A processing facility and a dedicated berth are two different things.   See Spacehab for processing facility

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #1290 on: 06/26/2016 11:49 PM »

1. NCB5 is nothing but a parking lot and they don't even have enough containers for phase I
3. NCB8 is close to Cruise Terminal CT5 and proposed location of a RO/RO Car transfer facility  But possible
4. There is unused seawall between Army dock and Naval Ordinance dock.!
5. Is unlikely but is just empty land with they could dig ADLS dock inland.
    Plus ASDL could maneuver itself into cut-out docking area in berm.
6. Figure out how to get ASDL through 90' wide Barge Canal into Banana River and back to KSC

1.  Doesn't matter, they are not going to assign it to ASDS.
2. Not possible, the RORO is going to happen
4.  No, That is area is used.  The ships tie off to the piers that and it is a RORO dock. 
    Anyways, it needs to be on the public part of the port.
5. the Air Force is not going to do that
6.  still the same problems.

Why does SpaceX used rocket warehouse and ASDL offloading area have to be on public side of port?
They already have multiple buildings, built new hangars & lease pads on the Air Force base.
What's the problem with adding more to their Air Forces leases?

I guess Elon could always either buy the port or
make the ADSL wings fold up to fit through the bridges & lock to the Banana river!

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #1291 on: 06/26/2016 11:54 PM »
A.  It has been stated that Spacex is working with the port, which means non air force land.

B.  The less they work to air force regulations the better

C.  Elon or his companies don't have the money to buy the port

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #1292 on: 06/28/2016 03:54 AM »
In other news Panama canal is now wide enough to allow passage of winged ASDS class Droneships.
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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #1293 on: 06/28/2016 08:09 PM »
A.  It has been stated that Spacex is working with the port, which means non air force land.


According to this slide deck on port projects from 2015, (Page 18) http://athena.sraprod.com/production/nrt/RRTHomeResources.nsf/resources/RRT4Mar2015Meeting/$File/Port_Canaveral_Expansion-LCDR_Stephen_West.pdf the port is pursuing leasing the AF land to the north of the middle turning basin.  Thats the Army Transportation Wharf in the previous graphic.   This would be a prime place for SpaceX to get into considering as they currently have a facility right about where the word "Autos" is in the graphic for the cargo yard in the slide.  Since the port is pursuing the lease, then SpaceX would be working with the port even though its AF land...  That graphic also shows a EELV berth marked as DOD to the North East side of the middle turning basin.  The port could try selling the AF as part of the lease negotiations on combining that berth into an aerospace specific wharf.

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #1294 on: 06/28/2016 08:32 PM »
A.  It has been stated that Spacex is working with the port, which means non air force land.


According to this slide deck on port projects from 2015, (Page 18)  the port is pursuing leasing the AF land to the north of the middle turning basin.  Thats the Army Transportation Wharf in the previous graphic.   This would be a prime place for SpaceX to get into considering as they currently have a facility right about where the word "Autos" is in the graphic for the cargo yard in the slide.  Since the port is pursuing the lease, then SpaceX would be working with the port even though its AF land...  That graphic also shows a EELV berth marked as DOD to the North East side of the middle turning basin.  The port could try selling the AF as part of the lease negotiations on combining that berth into an aerospace specific wharf.

That pitch is outdated.  Many things are not happening.  See the current port map. 
The Army isn't moving.

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #1295 on: 06/28/2016 09:16 PM »
That pitch is outdated.  Many things are not happening.  See the current port map. 
The Army isn't moving.

Do you have a later Map then the 2015 Port Development Map on the port Canaveral web site?  http://www.portcanaveral.com/PortCanaveral/media/Publications/Dev-Plans-Brochure-Map.pdf  Because that still has the area I'm talking about listed as a future project area and labeled the AF EUL Discussion Area.  The only other map I see is the in the Projects and Plans section for Cruise Master Planning, and that's only a reference for possible future cruise berths. 

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #1296 on: 06/28/2016 11:41 PM »
Do you have a later Map then the 2015 Port Development Map on the port Canaveral web site?  Because that still has the area I'm talking about listed as a future project area and labeled the AF EUL Discussion Area. 

That doesn't include the Army wharf
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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #1297 on: 06/29/2016 04:02 PM »
Can anyone get eyes on the OCISLY berth? Wondering if she has left yet for Bahama drydock. Elsbeth III has been off AIS for 10 days, and now tug Colonel is showing up in Elsbeth III's last reported AIS position, at the berth by Fishlips. Maybe she and OCISLY have already snuck out of port?

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #1298 on: 06/29/2016 04:47 PM »
Can anyone get eyes on the OCISLY berth? Wondering if she has left yet for Bahama drydock. Elsbeth III has been off AIS for 10 days, and now tug Colonel is showing up in Elsbeth III's last reported AIS position, at the berth by Fishlips. Maybe she and OCISLY have already snuck out of port?

A certain webcam  ::)  shows OCISLY is still at it's berth as of right now...  ;)

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Re: SpaceX's Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship Discussion Thread 3
« Reply #1299 on: 06/29/2016 05:46 PM »
Can anyone get eyes on the OCISLY berth? Wondering if she has left yet for Bahama drydock. Elsbeth III has been off AIS for 10 days, and now tug Colonel is showing up in Elsbeth III's last reported AIS position, at the berth by Fishlips. Maybe she and OCISLY have already snuck out of port?

A certain webcam  ::)  shows OCISLY is still at it's berth as of right now...  ;)

Thanks. I thought they had stopped showing OCISLY altogether, but I guess that ban is in effect only when people actually want to watch it.

Update: Elsbeth III turned her AIS back on this afternoon and moved over to the far end of OCISLY. On the near end, there's another ship, possibly a tug, which doesn't show up on AIS. Some activity on the tug deck. Possibly getting ready to depart.
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