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#40
by
TrevorMonty
on 13 Mar, 2019 07:45
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ISS trips involved an extensive training course. Some rich tourists might be interested in giving up few weeks to train as astronaut but most couldn't spare time. I think there is market for day trips to LEO. How big Boeing or SpaceX will likely find out on next year or two.
Training may include a couple of suborbital trips in NS or SS2. I'd want to know how I'd react to zeroG before committing $30m to day in space.
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#41
by
SWGlassPit
on 14 Mar, 2019 13:56
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#42
by
Asteroza
on 20 Aug, 2021 02:22
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ISS trips involved an extensive training course. Some rich tourists might be interested in giving up few weeks to train as astronaut but most couldn't spare time. I think there is market for day trips to LEO. How big Boeing or SpaceX will likely find out on next year or two.
Training may include a couple of suborbital trips in NS or SS2. I'd want to know how I'd react to zeroG before committing $30m to day in space.
One day trips are problematic due to weightlessness acclimatization time varying between people. Some people need 3 days. If you are vomiting all day, that kinda spoils things. Not sure how one would predict reactions based on suborbital rides or vomit comet runs.
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#43
by
tbellman
on 20 Aug, 2021 12:38
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One day trips are problematic due to weightlessness acclimatization time varying between people. Some people need 3 days. If you are vomiting all day, that kinda spoils things. Not sure how one would predict reactions based on suborbital rides or vomit comet runs.
Normal medicines against motion sickness are supposed to be pretty good helping against space adaptation syndrome as well. A problem with those medicines is that you tend to get drowsy, which isn't very good for someone who goes to space to work, but it should be much less of a problem for people who only go as tourists.
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#44
by
jebbo
on 21 Aug, 2021 06:17
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Until it can be launched on Vulcan, anything except the commercial crew ISS expeditions won't happen as they're RD-180 limited (and unlikely to buy more from Russia).
Afterwards, they *could* do orbital tourism stuff similar to Inspiration 4 and the AX1/2/3/4 flights, but it doesn't feel likely to me.
--- Tony
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#45
by
Zed_Noir
on 21 Aug, 2021 11:35
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Afterwards, they *could* do orbital tourism stuff similar to Inspiration 4 and the AX1/2/3/4 flights, but it doesn't feel likely to me.
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Starliner might be able to compete for space tourist flights if they can find a cheaper launcher. It will enhanced their probability of success if they can also get something like the Dragon nose observation hemisphere installed on the Starliner.
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#46
by
king1999
on 21 Aug, 2021 16:37
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Afterwards, they *could* do orbital tourism stuff similar to Inspiration 4 and the AX1/2/3/4 flights, but it doesn't feel likely to me.
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Starliner might be able to compete for space tourist flights if they can find a cheaper launcher. It will enhanced their probability of success if they can also get something like the Dragon nose observation hemisphere installed on the Starliner.
Assuming they can find a launcher comparable to Falcon 9, their spacecraft is still much more expensive to operate. The service module has a lot of hardware, including thrusters, for one time use only.
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#47
by
Tomness
on 21 Aug, 2021 19:02
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Afterwards, they *could* do orbital tourism stuff similar to Inspiration 4 and the AX1/2/3/4 flights, but it doesn't feel likely to me.
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Starliner might be able to compete for space tourist flights if they can find a cheaper launcher. It will enhanced their probability of success if they can also get something like the Dragon nose observation hemisphere installed on the Starliner.
Assuming they can find a launcher comparable to Falcon 9, their spacecraft is still much more expensive to operate. The service module has a lot of hardware, including thrusters, for one time use only.
But their Commercial Only Version can seat 9 people. So with Vulcan or F9 and 9passagers they could be competitive
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#48
by
joek
on 21 Aug, 2021 19:32
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But their Commercial Only Version can seat 9 people. So with Vulcan or F9 and 9passagers they could be competitive
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Per Boeing, max 7, not 9.
edit: p.s. If both are max 7 pax-crew, then advantage would still go to Dragon on per-seat price, all other things equal. Of course, neither has built such a configuration as far as I know, and we don't know details of the margins-constraints for a 7-seat configuration of either (e.g. ECLSS, down-mass limits, etc.).
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#49
by
RonM
on 21 Aug, 2021 20:58
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But their Commercial Only Version can seat 9 people. So with Vulcan or F9 and 9passagers they could be competitive
? Per Boeing, max 7, not 9.
edit: p.s. If both are max 7 pax-crew, then advantage would still go to Dragon on per-seat price, all other things equal. Of course, neither has built such a configuration as far as I know, and we don't know details of the margins-constraints for a 7-seat configuration of either (e.g. ECLSS, down-mass limits, etc.).
Maxed out seven passenger version would not be good for tourists. Not enough room. Now if there was a commercial space station to fly to, such as Axion, then seven passengers makes sense.
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#50
by
Tomness
on 21 Aug, 2021 21:47
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But their Commercial Only Version can seat 9 people. So with Vulcan or F9 and 9passagers they could be competitive
? Per Boeing, max 7, not 9.
edit: p.s. If both are max 7 pax-crew, then advantage would still go to Dragon on per-seat price, all other things equal. Of course, neither has built such a configuration as far as I know, and we don't know details of the margins-constraints for a 7-seat configuration of either (e.g. ECLSS, down-mass limits, etc.).
They had a mock-up seatting they could seat 8 with a pilot elevated to the hatch.
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#51
by
king1999
on 22 Aug, 2021 02:36
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They had a mock-up seatting they could seat 8 with a pilot elevated to the hatch.
First time heard of this, any link/picture/reference? Max 7 was always the public info.
No mention here at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Starliner
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#52
by
Tomness
on 22 Aug, 2021 04:31
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#53
by
kdhilliard
on 22 Aug, 2021 10:22
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#54
by
Lemurion
on 23 Aug, 2021 22:13
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One thing that concerns me about Starliner for space tourism is the free flight endurance--sixty hours is not a lot of time especially when you compare it to the Inspiration 4 mission's approximately 96 hour duration that's not even using half of Crew Dragon's endurance...
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#55
by
ncb1397
on 24 Aug, 2021 00:04
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One thing that concerns me about Starliner for space tourism is the free flight endurance--sixty hours is not a lot of time especially when you compare it to the Inspiration 4 mission's approximately 96 hour duration that's not even using half of Crew Dragon's endurance...
If you are getting these figures from wikipedia, the sourcing for both is pretty sketchy. Dragon free flight duration links to dragonlab. CST-100 source links to a paper from 2011.
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#56
by
docmordrid
on 24 Aug, 2021 01:06
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#57
by
abaddon
on 24 Aug, 2021 01:11
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That’s always been the plan. Not sure what it says about the value of the contract that it only funds two capsules. Not sure who foots the bill if they have to retire (or god forbid) lose one of them.
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#58
by
woods170
on 24 Aug, 2021 10:43
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They had a mock-up seatting they could seat 8 with a pilot elevated to the hatch.
First time heard of this, any link/picture/reference? Max 7 was always the public info.
No mention here at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Starliner
Had the time to look it up here
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=32438.260
That shows the 7-person version. Six on the bottom (2 rows: 1 row of 4 seats and 1 row of 2 seats) and 1 seat at the top. Total is 7.
A 9 person version of Starliner was never proposed. Every press-release from Boeing and every other PR piece always mentioned a max number of 7 persons.
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#59
by
MaxTeranous
on 24 Aug, 2021 13:52
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That’s always been the plan. Not sure what it says about the value of the contract that it only funds two capsules. Not sure who foots the bill if they have to retire (or god forbid) lose one of them.
Fixed price contract so the risk is on Boeing. Retiring one would be on Boeing. Most likely ways to lose a capsule would be an issue with the capsule itself (in which case Boeing would be using their remaining one for any remaining flights or building another) or with the launch vehicle going badly wrong. In that case I would assume ULA (well, their insurers) would pony up cash to Boeing. Would still leave Boeing with the fact they’re down a capsule mind.
Depends when they lose it too. Having to retire a capsule after flight 4 compared to after OFT2 for example is a huge difference.
Slightly more onto topic, you have to assume if Boeing win some non commercial crew work, they’d build another capsule to support it.