Author Topic: Ariane 5 VA243 - Azerspace-2/Intelsat 38 and Horizons 3e - Sep. 25, 2018  (Read 32222 times)

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Re: Ariane 5 VA243 - Azerspace-2/Intelsat 38 and GSAT-11 - 2018
« Reply #20 on: 04/22/2018 05:49 pm »
Any official confirmation folks ? Is the GSAT 11 mission cancelled ?
It will not be flying any time soon. It is unclear if it will be rescheduled.

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Re: Ariane 5 VA243 - Azerspace-2/Intelsat 38 and GSAT-11 - 2018
« Reply #21 on: 04/22/2018 05:55 pm »
Any official confirmation folks ? Is the GSAT 11 mission cancelled ?
It will not be flying any time soon. It is unclear if it will be rescheduled.

The joint launch of GSAT 11 and Azerspace-2 has been cancelled - not GSAT-11 or Azerspace-2 itself. GSAT-11 will likely be rescheduled, when the issues are resolved.

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Re: Ariane 5 VA243 - Azerspace-2/Intelsat 38 and GSAT-11 - 2018
« Reply #22 on: 04/22/2018 06:19 pm »
Would Hellas-Sat-4 then the possible new companion for Azerspace-2?

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Re: Ariane 5 VA243 - Azerspace-2/Intelsat 38 and GSAT-11 - 2018
« Reply #23 on: 04/23/2018 05:56 am »
This article says the launch of GSAT 11 is in June.

"Besides the military satellites, Isro will also launch its “heaviest satellite ever” Gsat-11 weighing 5.7 tonnes from French Guiana by June."

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/isro-to-launch-slew-of-military-satellites-soon/articleshow/63873638.cms
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Re: Ariane 5 VA243 - Azerspace-2/Intelsat 38 and GSAT-11 - 2018
« Reply #24 on: 04/23/2018 06:39 am »
This article says the launch of GSAT 11 is in June.

"Besides the military satellites, Isro will also launch its “heaviest satellite ever” Gsat-11 weighing 5.7 tonnes from French Guiana by June."

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/isro-to-launch-slew-of-military-satellites-soon/articleshow/63873638.cms

The image with the article says May-June so I think they are just quoting the original launch date (which moved a couple of times)

In short, lets see if Arianespace does a PR release today, its about time...

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Re: Ariane 5 VA243 - Azerspace-2/Intelsat 38 and GSAT-11 - 2018
« Reply #26 on: 04/23/2018 01:48 pm »
Peter B. de Selding writing in Space Intel Report confirms that the launch is cancelled as GSAT-11 is back in India due to some 'unexplained issues'. (Not able to gather any further details as I do not have membership in the site)

https://www.spaceintelreport.com/last-minute-issues-force-recall-of-indias-gsat-11-to-india-may-launch-with-azerspace-intelsat-satellite-cancelled/
« Last Edit: 04/23/2018 01:49 pm by vineethgk »

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Re: Ariane 5 VA243 - Azerspace-2/Intelsat 38 and GSAT-11 - 2018
« Reply #27 on: 04/23/2018 06:00 pm »
To me, this is fake news. Sorry...ISRO has not made any official announcement as of yet.

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Re: Ariane 5 VA243 - Azerspace-2/Intelsat 38 and GSAT-11 - 2018
« Reply #28 on: 04/23/2018 06:05 pm »
To me, this is fake news. Sorry...ISRO has not made any official announcement as of yet.

Peter B. de Selding is one of the most reliable reporters in the world for commercial GEO launches.

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Re: Ariane 5 VA243 - Azerspace-2/Intelsat 38 and GSAT-11 - 2018
« Reply #29 on: 04/23/2018 08:28 pm »
Given:
Peter B. de Selding writing in Space Intel Report confirms that the launch is cancelled as GSAT-11 is back in India due to some 'unexplained issues'. (Not able to gather any further details as I do not have membership in the site)

https://www.spaceintelreport.com/last-minute-issues-force-recall-of-indias-gsat-11-to-india-may-launch-with-azerspace-intelsat-satellite-cancelled/

And this observation:
Maybe ISRO have found a common problem with the power supply in GSAT 6A and 11. That might explain the satellite returning to India, if that is indeed true.

And given delivery by Antonov AN-124 (see attached image from this Arianespace mission update):
and arrived:



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India’s GSAT-11 satellite arrives for its Arianespace Ariane 5 launch in May

The protective container with GSAT-11 is unloaded at French Guiana’s Félix Eboué Airport.

The first satellite for Arianespace’s Flight VA243, a dual-payload Ariane 5 mission scheduled for the second half of May, has touched down in French Guiana.

Arriving Wednesday aboard a cargo jetliner that landed at Félix Eboué Airport near the French Guiana capital city of Cayenne, the Indian-built GSAT-11 spacecraft was then transferred by road to the Spaceport’s S5 payload preparation facility.

GSAT-11 was designed, assembled and integrated by the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO), and will have an estimated liftoff mass of 5,870 kg. This advanced communications satellite is to provide multi-spot beam coverage over the Indian mainland and nearby islands, bringing significant advantages to the user community when compared with India’s existing INSAT/GSAT satellite systems.

With its new system architecture and cutting-edge technology elements, GSAT-11 will generate a capacity of more than 12 Gbps for users from a single platform.

http://www.arianespace.com/mission-update/gsat-11-arrival/


Adding these three items together, I have a request for our expert cargo airliner trackers:
Did a Volga-Dnepr AN-124 return to Félix Eboué Airport recently, flight destination in India?
« Last Edit: 04/23/2018 08:31 pm by zubenelgenubi »
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Re: Ariane 5 VA243 - Azerspace-2/Intelsat 38 and GSAT-11 - 2018
« Reply #30 on: 04/23/2018 08:29 pm »
To me, this is fake news. Sorry...ISRO has not made any official announcement as of yet.

ISRO website hasn't mentioned anything related to the rescheduling of this satellite launch. ISRO has an uncanny knack of keeping mum, despite things having fallen by the wayside. It has not yet sorted out what has gone wrong in the GSAT-6, despite pointing fingers at the possible power failure, the problem that appears to have given trouble to ISRO in the past as well including the INSAT-4CR and the W2M satellite built for ESA. It is high time that ISRO fixed this power system related issue and of course the quality control issue that appears to have dogged ISRO's 2 latest launches. ISRO can't afford to have another mission failure with satellite power system failure, given the fact that GSAT-11 turns out to the heaviest satellite ISRO has made so far.  Any failure will dent ISRO's morale and possibly put a question mark on new Chairman's credibility in the leadership.

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Re: Ariane 5 VA243 - Azerspace-2/Intelsat 38 and GSAT-11 - 2018
« Reply #31 on: 04/24/2018 01:56 am »
To me, this is fake news. Sorry...ISRO has not made any official announcement as of yet.
ISRO usually takes its time when it comes to public acknowledgement of such hiccups. The news of GSAT-6A failure lived its life for more than a day as an unconfirmed rumour from Twitter handles of reporters before ISRO finally admitted to the issue in public. So, lets give them a couple of days to come out with a statement.
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Re: Ariane 5 VA243 - Azerspace-2/Intelsat 38 and GSAT-11 - 2018
« Reply #32 on: 04/24/2018 02:29 am »
Did a Volga-Dnepr AN-124 return to Félix Eboué Airport recently, flight destination in India?

Nothing on FlightRadar24 or FlightAware, but they tend to have gaps.  When the satellite was delivered they don't have the flight arriving at Cayenne but they have the plane leaving.

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Re: Ariane 5 VA243 - Azerspace-2/Intelsat 38 and GSAT-11 - 2018
« Reply #33 on: 04/24/2018 07:39 am »
Did a Volga-Dnepr AN-124 return to Félix Eboué Airport recently, flight destination in India?

Nothing on FlightRadar24 or FlightAware, but they tend to have gaps.  When the satellite was delivered they don't have the flight arriving at Cayenne but they have the plane leaving.

it takes time to "pack-up" a satellite, the call was made last week, I think it might take them a while to fly it back, also AN-124 flights are not sitting on a shelf, ordering one takes time, etc. etc.

But it would be nice of either ISRO or Arianepace to do a PR release as all of French Guiana knows about it since last week....

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Re: Ariane 5 VA243 - Azerspace-2/Intelsat 38 and GSAT-11 - 2018
« Reply #35 on: 04/24/2018 03:26 pm »
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Ariane 5   April 24, 2018
Launch delay for VA243

Due to additional technical checks with the Indian Space Research Organization’s (ISRO) GSAT-11 satellite, to be conducted from the ISRO Satellite Centre (ISAC) located at Bangalore, the Ariane 5 launch initially planned for May 25, 2018, VA243, has been postponed.

The next Arianespace launch will therefore be VA244, in July 2018. An Ariane 5 ES launch vehicle will orbit four more Galileo satellites for the European Commission and the European Space Agency (ESA).

The launch of the Azerspace-2/Intelsat-38 satellite for Azercosmos and Intelsat has been rescheduled for this summer, following VA244. The planned date and the co-passenger will be announced shortly.

The rest of the 2018 Arianespace launch manifest remains unchanged.

http://www.arianespace.com/press-release/launch-delay-for-va243/

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Re: Ariane 5 VA243 - Azerspace-2/Intelsat 38 and GSAT-11 - 2018
« Reply #36 on: 04/24/2018 04:36 pm »
Did a Volga-Dnepr AN-124 return to Félix Eboué Airport recently, flight destination in India?

Nothing on FlightRadar24 or FlightAware, but they tend to have gaps.  When the satellite was delivered they don't have the flight arriving at Cayenne but they have the plane leaving.

it takes time to "pack-up" a satellite, the call was made last week, I think it might take them a while to fly it back, also AN-124 flights are not sitting on a shelf, ordering one takes time, etc. etc.

But it would be nice of either ISRO or Arianepace to do a PR release as all of French Guiana knows about it since last week....

If they have it packed up yet there is a convenient AN-124 sitting at the airport right now.

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Re: Ariane 5 VA243 - Azerspace-2/Intelsat 38 and GSAT-11 - 2018
« Reply #37 on: 04/24/2018 07:49 pm »
The Indian Newspaper The Hindu has confirmed that GSAT-11 scheduled to be launched on May 26 has been recalled for re-tests.

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ISRO recalls mega GSAT-11 from Kourou for re-tests

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Just over a fortnight after flying GSAT-11 out to Kourou for launch, the Indian Space Research Organisation has recalled the heaviest communication satellite it has built. The reason is said to be for conducting additional technical checks in Bengaluru, where it was built.

ISRO's spokesman and officials were not reachable for comment.

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The European space transporter said on Tuesday that it has postponed the Ariane 5 launch numbered VA 243 that was initially planned for May 26, 2018 in the wee IST hours "due to additional technical checks with ISRO's GSAT-11 satellite, to be conducted from the ISRO Satellite Centre (ISAC) at Bangalore." GSAT-11 is aimed at providing multiple spot beam coverage in Ka and Ku bands over the Indian region and nearby islands. Its 12 gbps service is expected to be far more superior to older Indian communication satellites.

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Mathieu Weiss, space counsellor in the French embassy in Bengaluru and MD of the India liaison office of French space agency CNES (which is associated with the Ariane rocket design,) said, "These things happen in the space sector. We fully understand that the customer has to make thorough technical checks. The spacecraft being an exceptional satellite, one has to be super cautious in launching it.

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Re: Ariane 5 VA243 - Azerspace-2/Intelsat 38 and GSAT-11 - 2018
« Reply #38 on: 04/24/2018 08:01 pm »
from the Arianespace press-release
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The rest of the 2018 Arianespace launch manifest remains unchanged.

How am I to understand that?
Of course, the rest of the launch schedule changes.
The new partner for Azerspace-2, already had a companion, which must be paired again for a later launch. and so on...
I do not think that two Ariane launches between Galileo and BepiColombo. I'm afraid the time is not enough and they lose a launch slot in 2018.

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Re: Ariane 5 VA243 - Azerspace-2/Intelsat 38 and GSAT-11 - 2018
« Reply #39 on: 04/25/2018 08:11 am »
from the Arianespace press-release
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The rest of the 2018 Arianespace launch manifest remains unchanged.

How am I to understand that?
Of course, the rest of the launch schedule changes.
The new partner for Azerspace-2, already had a companion, which must be paired again for a later launch. and so on...
I do not think that two Ariane launches between Galileo and BepiColombo. I'm afraid the time is not enough and they lose a launch slot in 2018.

I think they are talking strictly about the schedule of launches and not necessarily about which satellites are going to be launched.  So, they mean that they currently don't plan to add a flight to the launch manifest later in the year to make up for the one they just cancelled.  So, people should expect Ariane to launch 1 fewer times than had previously been planned for this year.
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