Quote from: vjkane on 11/28/2015 04:47 amQuote from: NovaSilisko on 11/28/2015 04:42 amWe should probably wait at least few days/weeks before proclaiming all is lost, though...I completely agree. NASA and JPL have incredible technical skills and they will recognize what's at stake. For anyone who's read a book on the design of a planetary mission or complex instrument (the InSight seismometer certainly counts as the latter) near death experiences followed by disciplined recoveries seem to be routine. What will happen with InSight will be determined by extremely seasoned professionals.I... didn't actually know there were books about planetary mission design. I've always wanted to know the real deep dirty intricacies of these missions and the issues that arise inside that nobody ever really hears about. Could you perhaps direct me to some? (via PM is okay)
Quote from: NovaSilisko on 11/28/2015 04:42 amWe should probably wait at least few days/weeks before proclaiming all is lost, though...I completely agree. NASA and JPL have incredible technical skills and they will recognize what's at stake. For anyone who's read a book on the design of a planetary mission or complex instrument (the InSight seismometer certainly counts as the latter) near death experiences followed by disciplined recoveries seem to be routine. What will happen with InSight will be determined by extremely seasoned professionals.
We should probably wait at least few days/weeks before proclaiming all is lost, though...
Quote from: NovaSilisko on 11/28/2015 04:48 amI... didn't actually know there were books about planetary mission design. I've always wanted to know the real deep dirty intricacies of these missions and the issues that arise inside that nobody ever really hears about. Could you perhaps direct me to some? (via PM is okay)Create a thread in General perhaps. But this is a good start, very detailed, by PI http://www.amazon.com/Lunar-Prospector-Against-All-Odds/dp/1928771319review:http://www.thespacereview.com/article/751/1
I... didn't actually know there were books about planetary mission design. I've always wanted to know the real deep dirty intricacies of these missions and the issues that arise inside that nobody ever really hears about. Could you perhaps direct me to some? (via PM is okay)
Quote from: savuporo on 11/28/2015 04:50 pmQuote from: NovaSilisko on 11/28/2015 04:48 amI... didn't actually know there were books about planetary mission design. I've always wanted to know the real deep dirty intricacies of these missions and the issues that arise inside that nobody ever really hears about. Could you perhaps direct me to some? (via PM is okay)Create a thread in General perhaps. But this is a good start, very detailed, by PI http://www.amazon.com/Lunar-Prospector-Against-All-Odds/dp/1928771319review:http://www.thespacereview.com/article/751/1Also do a search on Amazon by mission. There's been several books on Curiosity, at least one on the MER rovers, several on Galileo and Voyager. The Robotic Exploration of the Solar System series also goes into exhaustive detail on the planning for missions as well as the missions themselves and cover missions from all nations.
Quote from: savuporo on 11/28/2015 04:50 pmQuote from: NovaSilisko on 11/28/2015 04:48 amI... didn't actually know there were books about planetary mission design. I've always wanted to know the real deep dirty intricacies of these missions and the issues that arise inside that nobody ever really hears about. Could you perhaps direct me to some? (via PM is okay)Create a thread in General perhaps. But this is a good start, very detailed, by PI http://www.amazon.com/Lunar-Prospector-Against-All-Odds/dp/1928771319review:http://www.thespacereview.com/article/751/1I wouldn't recommend that one. The author is an ass and biased.
A retired USGS planetary geologist who was an active participant in the lunar program offers a detailed historical view of scientific efforts to understand lunar geology (including the pre-Apollo era). It was the responsibility of the scientific team of which Don Wilhelms was a member to assemble an overall picture of the Moon's structure and history in order to recommend where on the lunar surface fieldwork should be conducted and samples collected. His book relates the site-selection process in detail, and draws in concomitant events concerning mission operations to show how they affected the course of the scientific program. While discussing all six landings in detail, he tells the behind-the-scenes story of telescopic and spacecraft investigations before, during, and after the manned landings.
Don E. Wilhelms (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Wilhelms) also wrote The geologic history of the Moon, USGS Professional Paper 1348, 1987. the definitive work on the subject and a must for fans of lunar geological maps.Available as a free pdf at http://pubs.er.usgs.gov/publication/pp1348 but much more wonderful on paper if you can find a 1987 original - these were "printed on magazine quality slick paper stock in a large format. Images were tack-sharp and gorgeous" -Amazon.com reviewer B. Pohnan.
Steve Squyres account - again, PI telling the tale on MERshttp://www.amazon.com/Roving-Mars-Spirit-Opportunity-Exploration/dp/1401308511As for Jims comment - people that get stuff done in highly political and bureaucratic environment often are somewhat abrasive. They aren't necessarily great writers either. This does not take away from the insider view of how things actually get made, if you manage to slog through.
Quote from: savuporo on 11/28/2015 07:20 pmSteve Squyres account - again, PI telling the tale on MERsI found Roving Mars to be a book I couldn't put down. Very well written, over and above the fascinating subject matter.
Steve Squyres account - again, PI telling the tale on MERs
Steve Squyres account - again, PI telling the tale on MERshttp://www.amazon.com/Roving-Mars-Spirit-Opportunity-Exploration/dp/1401308511<snip>
Squyres is a good author, Roving Mars was a great read. However he was in a very unfortunate situation for an author. The story didn't have an ending!
"Managing Martians" by Donna Shirley (Sojourner rover)