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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #880 on: 03/31/2021 06:19 pm »
I am amazed that no one has thought to buy RD-120K engines from Yuzhmash and built a medium lift LV around that available and tested engine.

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #881 on: 03/31/2021 07:36 pm »
I am amazed that no one has thought to buy RD-120K engines from Yuzhmash and built a medium lift LV around that available and tested engine.

Well, Rocket Factory Augsburg is working with Yuzhmash on developing the engines for their micro launch vehicle, although the information there suggests they're deriving an engine from the RD-8 series, not the RD-120. Although come to think of it, the RD-870 isn't actually in the RD-8 series, but rather is a RD-120 variant. So maybe they are doing exactly what you suggested.

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #882 on: 04/01/2021 06:13 am »
Visited the Jarmyn booth yesterday at the Australian Space Forum. They are still working on their SSTO methalox launch vehicle here in Adelaide. They had a 3D printed model of their engine on display, which uses an extendable nozzle for vacuum operation. They are currently looking for investors. Launch date of the Hawk Jr vehicle with 50 kg payload is 2025. They are not planning on using a kick stage (I expect that will change once they start launching).

In sea level configuration, their Swift engine varies from a thrust of 395 kN to 415 kN at 15 km with 343 s Isp. Vacuum configuration varies from 415 kN at 15 km to 435 kN in vacuum with 360 s Isp. Engine mode is full flow staged combustion!

https://www.jarmynenteprisespace.com.au

Here's a video of their booth, showing a scale model of Hawk Jr.

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6782934846764326912/
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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #883 on: 04/01/2021 01:53 pm »
Visited the Jarmyn booth yesterday at the Australian Space Forum. They are still working on their SSTO methalox launch vehicle here in Adelaide. They had a 3D printed model of their engine on display, which uses an extendable nozzle for vacuum operation. They are currently looking for investors. Launch date of the Hawk Jr vehicle with 50 kg payload is 2025. They are not planning on using a kick stage (I expect that will change once they start launching).

In sea level configuration, their Swift engine varies from a thrust of 395 kN to 415 kN at 15 km with 343 s Isp. Vacuum configuration varies from 415 kN at 15 km to 435 kN in vacuum with 360 s Isp. Engine mode is full flow staged combustion!

https://www.jarmynenteprisespace.com.au

Here's a video of their booth, showing a scale model of Hawk Jr.

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6782934846764326912/

Do we know if the plan is for the nozzle extension to drop into place while the engine is running, or if they're going to shut it down, deploy the nozzle extension, and relight?

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #884 on: 04/07/2021 08:38 pm »
Update 04-07: Firefly slips to NET May, RS1 to Q3, SSLV to NET December; added Zoljanah
Update 05-04: Firefly slips to NET June


Smallsat launcher schedule / first (successful) orbital flight since thread opening:

2018-01  Electron      US/NZ     Rocket Lab
2018-03  SS-520        Japan     IHI/JAXA
2019-07  Hyperbola-1   China     iSpace
2019-08  Jielong-1     China     Chinarocket (state-owned)
2020-04  Qased         Iran      (military)
2020-11  Ceres-1       China     Galactic Energy
2021-01  LauncherOne   US        Virgin Orbit

Announced or expected (NET)

2021-06  Firefly α     US/Ukr    Firefly
2021-Q3  RS1           US        ABL
2021-Q3  Rocket        US        Astra
2021-12  SSLV          India     ISRO (state-owned)
2021     Simorgh       Iran      ISA (state-owned)
2021     Zoljanah      Iran      (military?)
2021     OS-M          China     OneSpace
2021     Jielong-2     China     Chinarocket (state-owned)
2021     Kuaizhou-11   China     ExPace (state-owned)
2021     Nebula-1      China     Deep Blue

2022     Terran 1      US        Relativity
2022     (unnamed)     Japan     Space One
2022     Prime         UK        Orbex
2022     Vikram        India     Skyroot
2022     Spectrum      Germany   ISAR Aerospace
2022     Eris          Australia Gilmour

Some of the 2022 dates (like Spectrum and Eris) are very optimistic. 2023+ not listed, as launch dates so far in the future are too unreliable. Bogus projects not listed.

Unclear - no update on launch date:

- Super Stripy derivate (X-Bow/US), announced for 2019
- Blue Whale 1 (Perigee/Korea), announced for 2020
- Hapith V (Tispace/Taiwan), announced for 2020
- Newline-1 (Linkspace/China), announced for 2021 in early 2019

Canceled: Boeing XS-1, Zhuque-1 (Landspace/China)
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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #885 on: 04/07/2021 09:54 pm »
Rocketlab has repeated their successful launch 16 times.
Has any of the other ones "above the line" done a successful flight?

Some pages had Ceres-1 scheduling a second flight last month, but it does not appear on NSF's "Chinese Launch Schedule".
And Astra is somewhat "ahead of the competition" after at least launching twice.
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #886 on: 04/07/2021 10:31 pm »
Rocketlab has repeated their successful launch 16 times.
Has any of the other ones "above the line" done a successful flight?

Some pages had Ceres-1 scheduling a second flight last month, but it does not appear on NSF's "Chinese Launch Schedule".
And Astra is somewhat "ahead of the competition" after at least launching twice.

Well, everything "above the line" has had at least one successful launch, but Hyperbola-1 is the only one (other than Electron) which has attempted a launch after their first successful launch, and that second launch wasn't successful.

Oddly enough, only Electron, LauncherOne, and SS-520 had an unsuccessful flight before their first successful flights: the others flew successfully the first time. Note that for the SS-520, I'm not counting its first two suborbital launches, since arguably those aren't the same vehicle. (Although IIRC there was some reason to question whether the second launch of Hyperbola-1 was the same vehicle as the first, but I digress...)

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #887 on: 04/23/2021 04:23 pm »
In the light of many launch companies going public with SPACs, it looks like SEC is reevaluating the rules for SPACs: https://spacenews.com/spac-rule-changes-add-complexity-and-delays-for-space-companies-eying-public-markets/

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #888 on: 04/23/2021 05:51 pm »
In the light of many launch companies going public with SPACs, it looks like SEC is reevaluating the rules for SPACs: https://spacenews.com/spac-rule-changes-add-complexity-and-delays-for-space-companies-eying-public-markets/
Not good news for startups that don't have revenue stream yet and were relying on money from merger. Eg Astra, Momentus

The profitable companies, its business as usual just need  to shelf some of their expansion programs. Eg RL, Blacksky, Redwire.



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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #889 on: 05/03/2021 10:37 am »
Stefan Powell of Dawn Aerospace on FISO last week.

http://fiso.spiritastro.net/telecon/Powell_4-28-21/

Not lot new, have finally gain flight clearance for Aurora II to start test flights out of South Island airfield. Don't think its actually flown yet.

Sold a few of their cubesat thrusters with some in space. 285ISP VAC is quite respectable from their pressure fed Nitrous/Propane thrusters. No mention of Aurora engine my guess is its same fuel combination.

Aurora III is now being designed for 250kg to orbit. My guess is its still a powerpoint LV at this stage. Successful flights of II should help with fund raising.

Aurora can glide back to airfield from 300km down range.

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #890 on: 05/03/2021 02:58 pm »
Stefan Powell of Dawn Aerospace on FISO last week.

http://fiso.spiritastro.net/telecon/Powell_4-28-21/

Not lot new, have finally gain flight clearance for Aurora II to start test flights out of South Island airfield. Don't think its actually flown yet.

Sold a few of their cubesat thrusters with some in space. 285ISP VAC is quite respectable from their pressure fed Nitrous/Propane thrusters. No mention of Aurora engine my guess is its same fuel combination.

Aurora III is now being designed for 250kg to orbit. My guess is its still a powerpoint LV at this stage. Successful flights of II should help with fund raising.

Aurora can glide back to airfield from 300km down range.

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Huh, although the presentation in that link (as well as their website describing the Mk-II) says "50-100 kg payloads to any orbit" for the Mk-III, the audio itself (around 36 minutes in) does mention 250 kg to orbit. Apparently such a PowerPoint LV that they haven't fully updated their PowerPoints...

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #891 on: 05/03/2021 09:56 pm »
There's also ArcaSpace's EcoRocket, with its maiden flight still scheduled for June 2021. I didn't see it mentioned in this thread

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #892 on: 05/03/2021 10:04 pm »
There's also ArcaSpace's EcoRocket, with its maiden flight still scheduled for June 2021. I didn't see it mentioned in this thread

They've got their own thread. This one is generally used for companies which don't have the fame (or notoriety) to merit standalone threads.

If you're specifically asking why they're not in PM3's latest schedule, I can't speak with certainty, but I expect that reflects PM3's belief in the likelihood that ARCAspace will launch a vehicle to orbit.

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #893 on: 05/03/2021 10:14 pm »
There's also ArcaSpace's EcoRocket, with its maiden flight still scheduled for June 2021. I didn't see it mentioned in this thread

They've got their own thread. This one is generally used for companies which don't have the fame (or notoriety) to merit standalone threads.

If you're specifically asking why they're not in PM3's latest schedule, I can't speak with certainty, but I expect that reflects PM3's belief in the likelihood that ARCAspace will launch a vehicle to orbit.

Yeah my bad, I was referring to its absence in the schedule. Anyway, I'm skeptical too about what they'll accomplish but the official date is still that one.

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #894 on: 05/04/2021 08:56 am »
If you're specifically asking why they're not in PM3's latest schedule, I can't speak with certainty, but I expect that reflects PM3's belief in the likelihood that ARCAspace will launch a vehicle to orbit.

True, I don't consider this as a serious orbital launch attempt. Rather some "long shot".
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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #895 on: 05/12/2021 09:53 am »
I haven't noticed that someone mentioned Skyrora in this thread. Perhaps I just haven't noticed it, so correct me if I'm wrong.   Skyrora is a Scottish smallsat launcher and launch vehicle manufacturer, and they plan to launch their most famous spacecraft Skyrora XL rocket in 2022.

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #896 on: 05/12/2021 09:58 am »
I haven't noticed that someone mentioned Skyrora in this thread. Perhaps I just haven't noticed it, so correct me if I'm wrong.   Skyrora is a Scottish smallsat launcher and launch vehicle manufacturer, and they plan to launch their most famous spacecraft Skyrora XL rocket in 2022.

There's a thread about them here: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=50300.0

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #897 on: 05/12/2021 04:20 pm »
I haven't noticed that someone mentioned Skyrora in this thread. Perhaps I just haven't noticed it, so correct me if I'm wrong.   Skyrora is a Scottish smallsat launcher and launch vehicle manufacturer, and they plan to launch their most famous spacecraft Skyrora XL rocket in 2022.

"end of 2022 or early 2023"

Translated from launcher-startup to real time, this means NET late 2023.
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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #898 on: 05/21/2021 10:33 pm »
Rocketlab has repeated their successful launch 16 times.
Has any of the other ones "above the line" done a successful flight?

Some pages had Ceres-1 scheduling a second flight last month, but it does not appear on NSF's "Chinese Launch Schedule".
And Astra is somewhat "ahead of the competition" after at least launching twice.

Well, everything "above the line" has had at least one successful launch, but Hyperbola-1 is the only one (other than Electron) which has attempted a launch after their first successful launch, and that second launch wasn't successful.

Oddly enough, only Electron, LauncherOne, and SS-520 had an unsuccessful flight before their first successful flights: the others flew successfully the first time. Note that for the SS-520, I'm not counting its first two suborbital launches, since arguably those aren't the same vehicle. (Although IIRC there was some reason to question whether the second launch of Hyperbola-1 was the same vehicle as the first, but I digress...)

Of course
Perhaps I should have been more explicit in asking for RE-flights.
Thanks for pointing out that Hyperbola-1 attempted one.  That failed, did it not?
So no entity other than Rocketlabs has repeated a successful flight of a (new) smallsat launcher?

PS: 2 entries "above the line" for 2018, 2 for 2019, 2 for 2020, and 1 in 2021 as we approach mid year.
« Last Edit: 05/21/2021 11:42 pm by Comga »
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #899 on: 05/27/2021 08:19 pm »
Smallsats failure more often than traditional large satellites with 8% lost due to LV failure.
I've only got this chart to go off, don't have access to article. Not sure if that 8% is LV failures of large LVs doing rideshares. Small LV failures would account for very few losses as there is only Electron's two recent failures and odd new small LV on maiden flights.

Small LVs fail more often but then again most are still going through their maiden flights, while large LVs have been around lot longer and very few of them clean sheet designs. Most took flight proven HW from previous generation LVs, F9 included.

https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/1397935426376175619?s=19

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