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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #860 on: 01/18/2021 03:48 pm »
RocketLab is now 15 for 17, with launch 18 coming up tomorrow.
Has any other launcher on the list made orbit more than once?

(Perhaps I can make a post with links for each. 
I was unsuccessful in finding threads on most of the Chinese small rockets.
Here is a thread on the Kuaizhou-11 whose maiden launch failed.
The thread for Glactic Energy stops before the successful launch of Ceres-1.)

None of the others have launched more than once yet. Hyperbola-1's 2nd flight is supposed to be around Q1 2021 but news are pretty unclear at present.
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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #861 on: 01/18/2021 04:25 pm »
Wow, when I predicted Vector would be back with something just as sketchy, I didn't think it could get this bad. At least they had plywood models last time.
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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #862 on: 01/18/2021 05:51 pm »
RocketLab is now 15 for 17, with launch 18 coming up tomorrow.
Has any other launcher on the list made orbit more than once?

(Perhaps I can make a post with links for each. 
I was unsuccessful in finding threads on most of the Chinese small rockets.
Here is a thread on the Kuaizhou-11 whose maiden launch failed.
The thread for Glactic Energy stops before the successful launch of Ceres-1.)

None of the others have launched more than once yet. Hyperbola-1's 2nd flight is supposed to be around Q1 2021 but news are pretty unclear at present.

Well, Kuaizhou 1A and Long March 11 had most of their launches since this thread was started, yet are not on the list because they had launched before already. Although IMO that makes them two (out of four preexisting rockets with a considerable number of launches) rockets to beat to consider this new smallsat launcher revolution a success.

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #863 on: 01/21/2021 02:55 am »
A comparison of some smallsat launchers that have reached orbit.

                   PL to
                   500 km
                   LEO/S       GLOW
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Pegasus XL         260 kg     23,130 kg
Falcon 1           290 kg     33,230 kg
Electron/Curie     200 kg     12,550 kg
SS-520               3 kg      2,600 kg
Hyperbola-1        260 kg     31,000 kg
Jielong 1          200 kg     23,100 kg
Ceres-1            260 kg     31,000 kg
LauncherOne        300 kg     25,855 kg
-----------------------------------------

 - Ed Kyle

I thought I'd add the Payload/Gross Lift Off Weight ratio for comparison. Electron is the best by far out of the lot, performing 37% better than LauncherOne, which has the assistance of air launch!

           PL to 500 km LEO/S    GLOW    PL/GLOW (%)
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Pegasus XL         260 kg     23,130 kg    1.12
Falcon 1           290 kg     33,230 kg    0.87
Electron/Curie     200 kg     12,550 kg    1.59
SS-520               3 kg      2,600 kg    0.12
Hyperbola-1        260 kg     31,000 kg    0.84
Jielong 1          200 kg     23,100 kg    0.87
Ceres-1            260 kg     31,000 kg    0.84
LauncherOne        300 kg     25,855 kg    1.16
----------------------------------------------------
« Last Edit: 01/21/2021 02:57 am by Steven Pietrobon »
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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #864 on: 01/21/2021 03:05 am »
A comparison of some smallsat launchers that have reached orbit.

                   PL to
                   500 km
                   LEO/S       GLOW
-----------------------------------------
Pegasus XL         260 kg     23,130 kg
Falcon 1           290 kg     33,230 kg
Electron/Curie     200 kg     12,550 kg
SS-520               3 kg      2,600 kg
Hyperbola-1        260 kg     31,000 kg
Jielong 1          200 kg     23,100 kg
Ceres-1            260 kg     31,000 kg
LauncherOne        300 kg     25,855 kg
-----------------------------------------

 - Ed Kyle

I thought I'd add the Payload/Gross Lift Off Weight ratio for comparison. Electron is the best by far out of the lot, performing 37% better than LauncherOne, which has the assistance of air launch!

           PL to 500 km LEO/S    GLOW    PL/GLOW (%)
----------------------------------------------------
Pegasus XL         260 kg     23,130 kg    1.12
Falcon 1           290 kg     33,230 kg    0.87
Electron/Curie     200 kg     12,550 kg    1.59
SS-520               3 kg      2,600 kg    0.12
Hyperbola-1        260 kg     31,000 kg    0.84
Jielong 1          200 kg     23,100 kg    0.87
Ceres-1            260 kg     31,000 kg    0.84
LauncherOne        300 kg     25,855 kg    1.16
----------------------------------------------------


Looks like old numbers for Launcher One. The V2.1 payload user guide has updated numbers. Looks like at least 500 kg to 500 km SSO.
« Last Edit: 01/21/2021 03:05 am by ncb1397 »

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #865 on: 01/21/2021 03:08 am »
Yeah, my respect for those electropump engines keeps increasing. I think the chamber pressure on Rutherford is probably comparable to Merlin 1D of around 10MPa, while I suspect NewtonThree is probably more like the 6-7MPa Merlin 1C.

Plus, Electron is carbon fiber, doesn't have stresses from airlaunch, and has a kickstage which acts as a third stage.
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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #866 on: 01/21/2021 03:12 am »
Looks like old numbers for Launcher One. The V2.1 payload user guide has updated numbers. Looks like at least 500 kg to 500 km SSO.

You mixed up the light blue line (low inc site: 12 deg) at 500 kg with the dark blue line (high inc site: SSO) at 300 kg, which is the orbit that Ed is comparing at. It doesn't help that the key doesn't follow the same order as the curves, so it is an easy mistake to make.
« Last Edit: 01/21/2021 03:14 am by Steven Pietrobon »
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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #867 on: 01/21/2021 03:52 am »
Plus, Electron is carbon fiber, doesn't have stresses from airlaunch, and has a kickstage which acts as a third stage.

My understanding is that LauncherOne is also carbon fiber: their website describe the vehicle as being "All Carbon Structures: All-carbon composite design, including linerless tanks, minimizing mass." Which doesn't explain why it's white, while Electron and Firefly Alpha (also a carbon-composite design) leave the black structure unpainted. Maybe they're more concerned about boil-off relative to those two ground-based systems which can replenish LOX up until just before launch?

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #868 on: 01/21/2021 04:02 am »
Plus, Electron is carbon fiber, doesn't have stresses from airlaunch, and has a kickstage which acts as a third stage.

My understanding is that LauncherOne is also carbon fiber: their website describe the vehicle as being "All Carbon Structures: All-carbon composite design, including linerless tanks, minimizing mass." Which doesn't explain why it's white, while Electron and Firefly Alpha (also a carbon-composite design) leave the black structure unpainted. Maybe they're more concerned about boil-off relative to those two ground-based systems which can replenish LOX up until just before launch?
Ah, good catch! Thank you!

Interesting how all carbon fiber went from crazy idea to now just boring operational usage.
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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #869 on: 01/21/2021 06:50 am »
Plus, Electron is carbon fiber, doesn't have stresses from airlaunch, and has a kickstage which acts as a third stage.

My understanding is that LauncherOne is also carbon fiber: their website describe the vehicle as being "All Carbon Structures: All-carbon composite design, including linerless tanks, minimizing mass." Which doesn't explain why it's white, while Electron and Firefly Alpha (also a carbon-composite design) leave the black structure unpainted. Maybe they're more concerned about boil-off relative to those two ground-based systems which can replenish LOX up until just before launch?
The white is an extra insulation layer; you can see the gap in a lot of construction photos, especially near the ends of the tanks.

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #870 on: 01/21/2021 09:59 am »
LauncherOne needs insulation to stop boiloff during plane flight. Airlaunch results in heavy LV because of this.

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #871 on: 01/21/2021 10:07 pm »
Aren't most launch vehicles also just painted white using electrostatic paint? I never understood how RocketLab got away without using any paint.

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #872 on: 01/21/2021 10:19 pm »
Aren't most launch vehicles also just painted white using electrostatic paint? I never understood how RocketLab got away without using any paint.

According to Tory Bruno, neither the Atlas V nor Delta IV Heavy have paint covering their main bodies. Atlas V is copper-colored due to anodization, while Delta IV Heavy is orange due to SOFI insulation.

https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1350095821329608707

Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #873 on: 01/29/2021 01:18 pm »
RFA (Rocketfactory Augsburg) released their Payload User's Manual today. Anyone have it?

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #874 on: 02/01/2021 11:51 am »
This is why I think that the Chinese “private” small rocket companies using solid fuel rockets are not like the other smallsat launchers.

The launch of Hyperbola Y2 failed.

I’m not a big fan of LauncherOne but at least they have a production rocket.

There was some drastic changes to this rocket with respect to the one on the 1st launch.

https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1356184380108988416?s=19
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Weird. Sounds like the rumored theory that they and other Chinese private LSPs bought off-the-shelf SRMs for their first rockets from their competitors, but got their supplies cut afterward is actually true?
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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #875 on: 02/01/2021 12:13 pm »
This is why I think that the Chinese “private” small rocket companies using solid fuel rockets are not like the other smallsat launchers.

The launch of Hyperbola Y2 failed.

I’m not a big fan of LauncherOne but at least they have a production rocket.

There was some drastic changes to this rocket with respect to the one on the 1st launch.

https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1356184380108988416?s=19
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Weird. Sounds like the rumored theory that they and other Chinese private LSPs bought off-the-shelf SRMs for their first rockets from their competitors, but got their supplies cut afterward is actually true?

Agreed, even if one really considers these as investment stepping stones towards liquid fueled rockets (Landspace, iSpace and Galactic Energy all following this trend; the only relatively leading corporation that went straight towards liquid fuel is Deep Blue Aerospace).

Also it’s clear that the Chinese “private” LSPs work in a market/ecological cycle that is very different from anywhere else in the world.
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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #876 on: 02/26/2021 12:00 pm »
Update 02-26: Firefly slips from Q1, Astra slips from Q2 (if there won't be another test launch inbetween), SSLV confirmed for (early) Q2, OS-M re-added, Vikram added, RFA One slips from 2022 to 2023
Note 03-02: Astra confirmed for summer
Update 03-21: SSLV slips from April


Smallsat launcher schedule / first (successful) orbital flight since thread opening:

2018-01  Electron      US/NZ     Rocket Lab
2018-03  SS-520        Japan     Nissan/JAXA
2019-07  Hyperbola-1   China     iSpace
2019-08  Jielong-1     China     Chinarocket (state-owned)
2020-04  Qased         Iran      (military)
2020-11  Ceres-1       China     Galactic Energy
2021-01  LauncherOne   US        Virgin Orbit

Announced or expected (NET)

2021-Q2  Firefly α     US/Ukr    Firefly
2021-Q2  RS1           US        ABL
2021-Q3  Rocket        US        Astra
2021     Simorgh       Iran      (state-owned)
2021     OS-M          China     OneSpace
2021     SSLV          India     ISRO (state-owned)
2021     Jielong-2     China     Chinarocket (state-owned)
2021     Kuaizhou-11   China     ExPace (state-owned)
2021     Nebula-1      China     Deep Blue

2022     Terran 1      US        Relativity
2022     (unnamed)     Japan     Space One
2022     Prime         UK        Orbex
2022     Vikram        India     Skyroot
2022     Spectrum      Germany   ISAR Aerospace
2022     Eris          Australia Gilmour

Some of the 2022 dates (like Spectrum and Eris) are very optimistic. 2023+ not listed, as launch dates so far in the future are too unreliable. Bogus projects not listed.

Unclear - no update on launch date:

- Super Stripy derivate (X-Bow/US), announced for 2019
- Blue Whale 1 (Perigee/Korea), announced for 2020
- Hapith V (Tispace/Taiwan), announced for 2020
- Newline-1 (Linkspace/China), announced for 2021 in early 2019

Canceled: Boeing XS-1, Zhuque-1 (Landspace/China)
« Last Edit: 03/21/2021 11:10 am by PM3 »
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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #877 on: 03/04/2021 05:44 am »
Update 02-26: Firefly slips from Q1, Astra slips from Q2 (if there won't be another test launch inbetween), SSLV confirmed for (early) Q2, OS-M re-added, Vikram added, RFA One slips from 2022 to 2023
Note 03-02: Astra confirmed for summer


Smallsat launcher schedule / first (successful) orbital flight since thread opening:

2018-01  Electron      US/NZ     Rocket Lab
2018-03  SS-520        Japan     Nissan
2019-07  Hyperbola-1   China     iSpace
2019-08  Jielong-1     China     Chinarocket (state-owned)
2020-04  Qased         Iran      (military)
2020-11  Ceres-1       China     Galactic Energy
2021-01  LauncherOne   US        Virgin Orbit

Announced or expected (NET)

2021-Q2  SSLV          India     ISRO (state-owned)
2021-Q2  Firefly α     US/Ukr    Firefly
2021-Q2  RS1           US        ABL
2021-Q3  Rocket        US        Astra
2021     Simorgh       Iran      (state-owned)
2021     OS-M          China     OneSpace
2021     Jielong-2     China     Chinarocket (state-owned)
2021     Kuaizhou-11   China     ExPace (state-owned)
2021     Nebula-1      China     Deep Blue

2022     Terran 1      US        Relativity
2022     (unnamed)     Japan     Space One
2022     Prime         UK        Orbex
2022     Vikram        India     Skyroot
2022     Spectrum      Germany   ISAR Aerospace
2022     Eris          Australia Gilmour

Some of the 2022 dates (like Spectrum and Eris) are very optimistic. 2023+ not listed, as launch dates so far in the future are too unreliable. Bogus projects not listed.

Unclear - no update on launch date:

- Super Stripy derivate (X-Bow/US), announced for 2019
- Blue Whale 1 (Perigee/Korea), announced for 2020
- Hapith V (Tispace/Taiwan), announced for 2020
- Newline-1 (Linkspace/China), announced for 2021 in early 2019

Canceled: Boeing XS-1, Zhuque-1 (Landspace/China)

Nissan would be very surprised to hear they launched a rocket.

Canon Electronics/Space One is still penciled in for fall 2021 after launchpad completion, but rumor mill says 2022 at least.

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #878 on: 03/04/2021 09:01 pm »
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Nissan would be very surprised to hear they launched a rocket.

Canon Electronics/Space One is still penciled in for fall 2021 after launchpad completion, but rumor mill says 2022 at least.

But they did. At least the former Aerospace and Defense Divisions of Nissan Motors that were acquired by IHI Corporation (formerly known as Ishikawajima-Harima Heavy Industries Co., Ltd.) in 2007.  ;)

@PM3 should change the manufacturer of the SS-520 launcher from Nissan to IHI Corp.

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #879 on: 03/31/2021 03:24 pm »
Rocket Crafters, a small-launch company building a vehicle around their "Star-3D" hybrid rocket motors, has rebranded themselves as Vaya Space, and shifted focus from their Intrepid-1 (which I believe promised around 300 kg to 500 km SSO) to their newly-announced Dauntless (with a payload capacity of 610 kg to 500 km SSO).

Also, following a failed test-firing of the Star-3D in May of last year, they apparently are switching the oxidizer from liquid nitrous oxide to liquid oxygen. Between that and their graphics showing Dauntless with just four Star-3Ds on the first stage (as well as talk elsewhere about Star-3D being a "scalable rocket engine platform"), I can't help but wonder if they've changed the motors' thrust as well, to account for the uprating of the vehicle.

The company raised $7 million in a recent private offering, and says it's taken in around $10 million total in the past year. They currently have around 26 employees and plan to hire "a few more people" in the coming months.

A small suborbital test (from the sounds of it, basically just for motor and avionics shakedown) is planned for "mid-2021."

 

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