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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #700 on: 02/29/2020 07:52 pm »
Smallsat launcher schedule / first (successful) orbital flight since thread opening:

2018-01  Electron      US/NZ   Rocket Lab
2019-07  Hyperbola-1   China   iSpace
2019-08  Jielong-1     China   Chinarocket (state-owned)

Planned or expected (NET)

2020-03  Rocket        US      Astra

2020-Q2  Kuaizhou-11   China   ExPace (state-owned)
2020-Q2  LauncherOne   US      Virgin
2020-Q2  SSLV          India   ISRO (state-owned)
2020-06  Ceres-1       China   Galactic Energy

2020-Q3  Simorgh       Iran    (state-owned)
2020-Q3  Firefly α     US/Ukr  Firefly

2020     OS-M1         China   OneSpace
2020     Blue Whale 1  Korea   Perigee
2020     RS1           US      ABL
2020     Jielong-2     China   Chinarocket (state-owned)
2020     Nebula-1      China   Deep Blue
2020?    Super Strypi  US      X-Bow

2021     Newline-1     China   LinkSpace -- reusable booster ♲
2021     (unnamed)     Japan   Space One
2021?    Hapith V      Taiwan  TiSpace


All the rest (realistically) 2022+, including Relativity/Terran 1.

Failed: Vector, Boeing XS-1

Updates
[2020-02-29: Astra slips from February to March]
[2020-03-04: LauncherOne => Q2; Terran 1 => 2022; added Space One]
[2020-03-13: Kuaizhou-11 (made in Wuhan) slips to Q2 after viral break]
[2020-03-13: Simorgh likely slips to Q3 for the same reason]
« Last Edit: 03/20/2020 12:40 pm by PM3 »
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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #701 on: 03/02/2020 09:04 pm »
I see Kuaizhou 1A is missing. Do you count it as an evolution of Kuaizhou 1 which launched before the opening of this thread?

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #702 on: 03/02/2020 10:15 pm »
Space One is still penciled in for 2021H2 shortly after their launchpad construction is completed...

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #703 on: 03/03/2020 11:44 am »
I see Kuaizhou 1A is missing. Do you count it as an evolution of Kuaizhou 1 which launched before the opening of this thread?

yes

Space One is still penciled in for 2021H2 shortly after their launchpad construction is completed...

Space One was founded in late 2017. I am not aware of any company that made it to orbit in less than five years, so I would put their first launch rather in the 2022/2023 timeframe.
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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #704 on: 03/03/2020 10:46 pm »

Space One is still penciled in for 2021H2 shortly after their launchpad construction is completed...

Space One was founded in late 2017. I am not aware of any company that made it to orbit in less than five years, so I would put their first launch rather in the 2022/2023 timeframe.

The actual development work was started several years before Space One was officially founded (and only because it is a convenient corporate structure to isolate Canon Electronics). The launchpad construction is on schedule, but whether the rocket will fly in 2021 as announced may be up for debate.

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #705 on: 03/04/2020 12:34 pm »
The actual development work was started several years before Space One was officially founded (and only because it is a convenient corporate structure to isolate Canon Electronics). The launchpad construction is on schedule, but whether the rocket will fly in 2021 as announced may be up for debate.

Okay, Space One has replaced Relativity in the list. All those dates are debatable; as long as they don't say "late 2021" and there is no obvious indication of delay, it fits to the other 2021 entries.
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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #706 on: 03/16/2020 09:02 pm »
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Small launch startup Leo Aerospace suspends operations
by Jeff Foust — March 16, 2020

WASHINGTON — A startup developing a balloon-borne small launch vehicle has gone into “hibernation” after struggling to raise money, a fate that may be facing many other companies in the sector.

https://spacenews.com/small-launch-startup-leo-aerospace-suspends-operations/

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #707 on: 03/24/2020 06:30 am »
Smallsat launcher schedule / first (successful) orbital flight since thread opening:

2018-01  Electron      US/NZ   Rocket Lab
2019-07  Hyperbola-1   China   iSpace
2019-08  Jielong-1     China   Chinarocket (state-owned)
2020-04  Qased         Iran    (military)

Planned or expected (NET)

2020-Q2  LauncherOne   US      Virgin
2020-06  Kuaizhou-11   China   ExPace (state-owned)
2020-06  Ceres-1       China   Galactic Energy
2020-06  Simorgh       Iran    (state-owned)

2020-Q3  Rocket        US      Astra
2020-Q3  Firefly α     US/Ukr  Firefly

2020     SSLV          India   ISRO (state-owned)
2020     OS-M1         China   OneSpace
2020     Blue Whale 1  Korea   Perigee
2020     RS1           US      ABL
2020     Jielong-2     China   Chinarocket (state-owned)
2020     Nebula-1      China   Deep Blue
2020?    Super Strypi  US      X-Bow

2021     Newline-1     China   LinkSpace -- reusable booster ♲
2021     (unnamed)     Japan   Space One
2021?    Hapith V      Taiwan  TiSpace


All the rest (realistically) 2022+, including Relativity/Terran 1.

Failed: Vector, Boeing XS-1

Updates
[2020-04-05: Astra Q2 => Q3, SSLV Q2 => ?]
[2020-04-22: added Qased]
[2020-05-19: Kuaizhou-11 Q2 => 06]
« Last Edit: 05/19/2020 01:44 pm by PM3 »
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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #708 on: 03/31/2020 08:26 pm »
From SpaceNews corona virus page dated yesterday (30-March):

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A Wuhan-based Chinese commercial launch service provider is preparing a next launch from Jiuquan launch center following the lifting of lockdown measures at the epicenter of the COVID-19 outbreak. The Expace Kuaizhou-1A rocket, Xingyun-2 (01, 02) narrowband IoT satellites and test teams have arrived at Jiuquan in the Gobi Desert for launch in mid to late April. Expace is situated in the Wuhan National Space Industry Base for commercial space activities. The firm is a spinoff from defense contractor CASIC and its subsidiary, China Sanjiang Space Group.

In this case, I wonder what "spinoff" means in this case.
Launching from Jiuquan should give them the same risk of dropping a booster on someone or something valuable, so they appear to have some governmental coverage, however "indemnification" works in China. ???

So Kuaizhou does seem to deserve to be at the top of the list, but SpaceNews calls it Kuaizhou-1A, not -11.
« Last Edit: 03/31/2020 08:27 pm by Comga »
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #709 on: 03/31/2020 09:59 pm »
I see Kuaizhou 1A is missing. Do you count it as an evolution of Kuaizhou 1 which launched before the opening of this thread?

yes

Kuaizhou 1A and 11 are not considered to be the same rocket in this list.

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #710 on: 03/31/2020 11:16 pm »
I see Kuaizhou 1A is missing. Do you count it as an evolution of Kuaizhou 1 which launched before the opening of this thread?

yes

Kuaizhou 1A and 11 are not considered to be the same rocket in this list.

I forgot about that “opening of this list” cutoff.
Kuaizhou-1A first flew in January of 2017 according to Wikipedia
I guess -1A is too early for the list and -11 is too late, if not too big.
This thread started in 2015, so is -1A excluded because it’s derived from Kuaizhou-1 which flew in 2013?
« Last Edit: 03/31/2020 11:19 pm by Comga »
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #711 on: 04/01/2020 01:13 am »
Add Japan IST's new Zero launcher.

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #712 on: 04/04/2020 04:03 pm »
Shopper buys $6M rocket in China

Without attempting to translate any of the Chinese, it looks like a Kuaizhou
Can anyone verify and say if it’s a -1A or a -11?
Is $6M much of a bargain for a Kuaizhou-1A?
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #713 on: 04/05/2020 12:22 am »
Here's what OCR and Bing translation give. Doesn't seem to say what the rocket is, but the picture shows a KZ-1A.

"Said

Today, 8 p.m., Room Live
Secretary. On sputum foil. In order to make it easier for the novicegui to pick up the anger to build their own rocket, we invited clear
   Let's explain it to everyone. Good advance wish everyone pushed to the favourite rocket about

Hui Sputum Heng happiness is true Remember 7
Before the spell is also true, remember the return of the beans two receive"
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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #714 on: 04/05/2020 05:08 am »
Here's what OCR and Bing translation give. Doesn't seem to say what the rocket is, but the picture shows a KZ-1A.

"Said

Today, 8 p.m., Room Live
Secretary. On sputum foil. In order to make it easier for the novicegui to pick up the anger to build their own rocket, we invited clear
   Let's explain it to everyone. Good advance wish everyone pushed to the favourite rocket about

Hui Sputum Heng happiness is true Remember 7
Before the spell is also true, remember the return of the beans two receive"

According to what I have seen in Chinese forums this is indeed a KZ-1A contract, however that online auction part is just a promotional event - a formal launch contract was signed some time earlier.  ;)
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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #715 on: 04/05/2020 06:30 am »
Here's what OCR and Bing translation give. Doesn't seem to say what the rocket is, but the picture shows a KZ-1A.

"Said

Today, 8 p.m., Room Live
Secretary. On sputum foil. In order to make it easier for the novicegui to pick up the anger to build their own rocket, we invited clear
   Let's explain it to everyone. Good advance wish everyone pushed to the favourite rocket about

Hui Sputum Heng happiness is true Remember 7
Before the spell is also true, remember the return of the beans two receive"

Did anybody read this? It's Hall of Fame level translation.

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #716 on: 04/09/2020 08:01 am »
Here's what OCR and Bing translation give. Doesn't seem to say what the rocket is, but the picture shows a KZ-1A.

"Said

Today, 8 p.m., Room Live
Secretary. On sputum foil. In order to make it easier for the novicegui to pick up the anger to build their own rocket, we invited clear
   Let's explain it to everyone. Good advance wish everyone pushed to the favourite rocket about

Hui Sputum Heng happiness is true Remember 7
Before the spell is also true, remember the return of the beans two receive"

Did anybody read this? It's Hall of Fame level translation.
Machine learning. It's brilliant.

Not by this example it isn't.  :(
MCT ITS BFR SS. The worlds first Methane fueled FFSC engined CFRP SS structure A380 sized aerospaceplane tail sitter capable of Earth & Mars atmospheric flight.First flight to Mars by end of 2022 2027?. T&C apply. Trust nothing. Run your own #s "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" R. Simberg."Competitve" means cheaper ¬cheap SCramjet proposed 1956. First +ve thrust 2004. US R&D spend to date > $10Bn. #deployed designs. Zero.

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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #717 on: 04/22/2020 03:55 pm »
And the first successfull smallsat maiden launcher of this decade is ... Qased of Iran, operated by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard.

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=50687.msg2071630#msg2071630
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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #718 on: 05/02/2020 07:12 am »
And the first successfull smallsat maiden launcher of this decade is ... Qased of Iran, operated by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard.

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=50687.msg2071630#msg2071630
Hmm.

I'd love to watch someone license this for commercial use.  :(

Explaining to the State Dept "Yes I understand there are ITAR issues around technology transfer to Iran but we're buying  it from then, not the other way round" promises months of innocent entertainment.

Joking aside that is more than a number of LV startups have achieved, despite having burned through a fair bit of their backers capital.

The vision of one of their boosters being recovered by a crew on an inflatable also gives me a few quiet chuckles.  :) . Launchers designed with a fanatical attention to detail.
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Re: Countdown to new smallsat launchers
« Reply #719 on: 05/02/2020 09:23 pm »
twitter.com/spacenews_inc/status/1256682381861359619

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SMC says a new study “confirms the heavy lift launch market is unlikely to support more than two U.S. launch providers in the long term, and highlights the short term schedule risks of transitioning to new providers.” bit.ly/35mCjJv

https://twitter.com/peter_j_beck/status/1256694797571506176

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This assumption is probably also true for Small launch.

 

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