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Re: Marooned XRV Model
« Reply #20 on: 07/05/2015 12:26 pm »
Okay, I watched it. I don't think I've ever sat through a movie with that much beeping.

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Human spaceflight is basically just LARPing now.

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Re: Marooned XRV Model
« Reply #21 on: 07/05/2015 12:28 pm »
That was the entire soundtrack....no music, just beeps!

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Re: Marooned XRV Model
« Reply #22 on: 07/05/2015 12:49 pm »
I like the film very much! It's not without it's flaws, but it's pretty accurate in many ways. If it were to be remade, I'd like to see a rescue mission for a couple Astronauts stuck in lunar orbit or even Distant Retrograde Lunar Orbit (DRO). That would make it future proof for movie goers for quite a few years. Two Astronauts living in a small Habitat (Cygnus EAM?) docked to an Orion. When the Orion's propulsion systems fail, either an enhanced Soyuz with one Cosmonaut aboard - originally intended for a circumlunar tourist mission - goes out to get them, leaving it's tourists to fly another day. Or a fictitious Commercial ship of some type. Maybe it doesn't even need to be fictitious: hows about a Dragon on it's first BEO mission? :) Good publicity for Space X, even though NASA probably wouldn't like it's own Orion ship being portrayed as flawed and in need of rescue!

I believe I once read that Martin Caidin himself reckoned that if the film were ever to be remade, he'd like to see a beyond Earth Orbit rescue. And I think 'The Martian' will cover the Mars rescue genre quite well...
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Re: Marooned XRV Model
« Reply #23 on: 07/05/2015 03:38 pm »
I really need to find the original novel that I have somewhere, with the stranded Mercury.  I see the updated version everywhere.  This is a story that can be updated for whatever the current spacecraft being flown.  There was even a shuttle version written, Shuttle by David Onley, or it is as close to the same concept that I have read.

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Re: Marooned XRV Model
« Reply #24 on: 07/05/2015 03:41 pm »
"The laws of physics are unforgiving"
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Re: Marooned XRV Model
« Reply #25 on: 07/05/2015 07:24 pm »
I really need to find the original novel that I have somewhere, with the stranded Mercury.  I see the updated version everywhere.  This is a story that can be updated for whatever the current spacecraft being flown.  There was even a shuttle version written, Shuttle by David Onley, or it is as close to the same concept that I have read.

Yep -- in the original novel, the main character who flew the 3-day Mercury mission instead of Shepard (because Shepard was slated to fly the first Gemini, with a new astro named Masters) was also a member of Caidin's fictional 2nd astronaut class, but unlike in the movie and updated book, his name was Dick Pruett, not Jim Pruett.  His best friend, and the guy who pilots the Gemini to the rescue, is named Jim Dougherty, not Ted Dougherty.

The overall plot of the original book is very similar to the updated novel/film, but of course references Mercury/Gemini technology.  The one big thing that was incorrectly mapped out of the Mercury technology into the Apollo spacecraft, cited as the likely cause of the de-orbit failure, was a failure of a horizon scanner that's connected into the logic of the SPS ignition system.  This was a plausible malfunction for a Mercury, but never for an Apollo spacecraft -- the Apollo had no horizon scanner, and indeed you could start the SPS motor by opening the ball valves feeding the combustion chamber directly, cutting out the thrust vector control system and both the CMC and the SCS.

So, while Caidin needed to have some way to describe the malfunction, by choosing to energetically arm-wave around the same issue he used successfully in the original novel, he lost a little bit of credibility with me.
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Re: Marooned XRV Model
« Reply #26 on: 07/05/2015 11:46 pm »
You'll like this! :)

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2671/1

That is great!  That really had some influence on the film. 

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Re: Marooned XRV Model
« Reply #27 on: 07/05/2015 11:54 pm »
I really need to find the original novel that I have somewhere, with the stranded Mercury.  I see the updated version everywhere.  This is a story that can be updated for whatever the current spacecraft being flown.  There was even a shuttle version written, Shuttle by David Onley, or it is as close to the same concept that I have read.

Yep -- in the original novel, the main character who flew the 3-day Mercury mission instead of Shepard (because Shepard was slated to fly the first Gemini, with a new astro named Masters) was also a member of Caidin's fictional 2nd astronaut class, but unlike in the movie and updated book, his name was Dick Pruett, not Jim Pruett.  His best friend, and the guy who pilots the Gemini to the rescue, is named Jim Dougherty, not Ted Dougherty.

The overall plot of the original book is very similar to the updated novel/film, but of course references Mercury/Gemini technology.  The one big thing that was incorrectly mapped out of the Mercury technology into the Apollo spacecraft, cited as the likely cause of the de-orbit failure, was a failure of a horizon scanner that's connected into the logic of the SPS ignition system.  This was a plausible malfunction for a Mercury, but never for an Apollo spacecraft -- the Apollo had no horizon scanner, and indeed you could start the SPS motor by opening the ball valves feeding the combustion chamber directly, cutting out the thrust vector control system and both the CMC and the SCS.

So, while Caidin needed to have some way to describe the malfunction, by choosing to energetically arm-wave around the same issue he used successfully in the original novel, he lost a little bit of credibility with me.

I have the 1969 version on order, so I can read it soon.  I still can't find my 1964 version anywhere.  They never mention why the SPS does not fire in the movie, it is left a mystery, concentrating on the rescue.  Investigation would be later, LOL. 

I have found all of my copies of the Cyborg novels he wrote!

I am glad I never knew he was claiming telekinetic powers, or he would have lost a lot of credibility with me.

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Re: Marooned XRV Model
« Reply #28 on: 07/06/2015 06:34 am »
I really need to find the original novel that I have somewhere, with the stranded Mercury.  I see the updated version everywhere.  This is a story that can be updated for whatever the current spacecraft being flown.  There was even a shuttle version written, Shuttle by David Onley, or it is as close to the same concept that I have read.

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Re: Marooned XRV Model
« Reply #29 on: 07/07/2015 02:15 am »
My Titan IIIC model arrived today.  I did some scaling of the XRV, and the base of the lifting body scales out to 10 feet----the diameter of the Titan.  It WOULD fit in a shroud, if the two fins fold up and then deploy.  While no indication of this ability is shown in the movie, it doesn't mean it isn't there.  I have a beat up old lifting body toy, which just happens to be the right size to fit under the nosecone of the model.  Now I have to decide what length to make the nosecone, something that would fit the XRV, or what is shown in the movie. 
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Re: Marooned XRV Model
« Reply #30 on: 08/06/2015 06:42 pm »
I finally finished the Titan IIIC with a little X-RV under the shroud.  The wings had to be removed to fit under the shroud, so they must deploy on orbit.  The kit comes with a clear nosecone so you can see a satellite under it.  I masked off the window for the X-RV and painted the nosecone white.  It was kind of hard to try to mesh the fictional X-RV onto a real Titan, but I think this comes close enough for me.  I am ordering a Dragon 1/72 scale Apollo to build Ironman One next.

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Re: Marooned XRV Model
« Reply #31 on: 08/06/2015 09:50 pm »
And I noticed I had the engines twisted 90 degrees.....oops.  So a bit of surgery, and fixed. 

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Re: Marooned XRV Model
« Reply #32 on: 08/06/2015 11:56 pm »
I have both copies of Marooned and also No Man's World.  The Marooned ones are pretty beat up. :)

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Re: Marooned XRV Model
« Reply #33 on: 08/07/2015 01:25 am »
Thanks, Mike.  I just got both copies and read the Ironman One version.  I found a hard back of the Mercury version. 

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Re: Marooned XRV Model
« Reply #34 on: 08/07/2015 04:29 am »
No pilot figure is included, but I have plenty of 1/72 scale astronauts from the Airfix Lunar Module kit.  I chose a seated one and had to remove his legs so he would fit inside.

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Re: Marooned Movie Models
« Reply #35 on: 11/24/2015 11:30 pm »
I finally got another Apollo CSM kit from Dragon and converted it into Ironman One.  It isn't that much of a conversion.  I just had to relocate the SM to CM umbilical, the high gain antenna and one of the blade antennas.  I created the decals and printed them.  It is 1/72 scale to match the XRV. 

Oh, just realized that the windows haven't dried clear yet....still white.  I will update a photo later.
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Re: Marooned Movie Models
« Reply #36 on: 11/24/2015 11:33 pm »
Here are the two of them together.

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Re: Marooned Movie Models
« Reply #37 on: 11/25/2015 02:03 am »
You  need a 1/72 Voskshod and some space walking Astronauts.

I sometimes thing about doing one in 1/48 or 1/72 based on the first book.  Then I sit till the urge quietly passes.

Nice work.

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Re: Marooned Movie Models
« Reply #38 on: 11/25/2015 09:25 am »
Thanks. To do the Voskhod, it would need to be about 1/48th scale, it was way oversized in the movie.  I may do some astronauts.

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Re: Marooned Movie Models
« Reply #39 on: 11/26/2015 03:10 am »
After the windows dried clear, I put Ironman One into orbit.  Here is a shot of it using it's RCS, just like in the movie.
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