Author Topic: Eutelsat OneWeb: Constellation - General Thread  (Read 682297 times)

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Based on that photo posted above with the satellites, looks like .95 meters tall and 1.1 meters diagonally from one corner to the opposite corner. It should fit in the 1.2 meter diameter 2.5 meter tall fairing.

But if it doesn't....
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Given it would be super close to the fairing that they already have in terms of mass/loads/aerodynamics, it probably isn't a huge lift.
« Last Edit: 11/21/2018 05:12 am by ncb1397 »

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Belated cross-post re: first OneWeb Soyuz launch from Kourou in 2019:
OneWeb - February 7:
https://ria.ru/science/20181010/1530316990.html
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https://twitter.com/TMFAssociates/status/1072508761590427659
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OneWeb CEO announces at Morgan Stanley event that only 12 rather than 18 planes needed for global coverage, cutting total sats by one third

Don't see any other confirmation of this yet.  That would be very interesting.
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Another mention of the reduction.  That should save them quite a bit of money.

https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/1072897854518292480

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Would seem to me they lack the cash for the full constellation, are trying to put a good face on it.

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Would seem to me they lack the cash for the full constellation, are trying to put a good face on it.

That seems like the most likely scenario to me, like they are ~$1 billion over budget and need to cut somewhere


Russia also just lost around a half billion of Soyuz launches.

Also, with Soyuz basically becoming an unreliable launcher thanks to Russian QA, 14-21 launches at current observed failure rates (~10% over the last 3-4 years) means OneWeb is very likely to lose at least one bird during deployment.
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That number of sats would still be around 18 Soyuz launches, so not that much of a decrease in contracted launches.  They just wouldn't be converting any of their launch options until they were ready for a second generation of the constellation.

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A source in the space industry told Sputnik International that although OneWeb scaled back its constellation of communication satellites, it won’t change the number of contracted Russia Soyuz carrier rockets.

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Sounds like OneWeb has another Russia problem; FSB doesn't like it.

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« Last Edit: 12/25/2018 09:22 am by docmordrid »
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Sounds like OneWeb has another Russia problem; FSB doesn't like it.

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OneWeb (and the other constellations) will have that problem in many countries, they will not get worldwide permissions. This article just doesn't sound right, there has to be more to the story.  Giving away 12.5% of a company just to get usage rights in one country is not very viable.  You'd run out of shares to give away before you had access to 10 countries.
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Sounds like OneWeb has another Russia problem; FSB doesn't like it.

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This article just doesn't sound right, there has to be more to the story.  Giving away 12.5% of a company just to get usage rights in one country is not very viable.  You'd run out of shares to give away before you had access to 10 countries.

My first speculation was that it's to pay for their Soyuz launches after another funding shortfall.
« Last Edit: 12/25/2018 03:57 pm by docmordrid »
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Sounds like OneWeb has another Russia problem; FSB doesn't like it.

Venture Beat...

OneWeb (and the other constellations) will have that problem in many countries, they will not get worldwide permissions. This article just doesn't sound right, there has to be more to the story.  Giving away 12.5% of a company just to get usage rights in one country is not very viable.  You'd run out of shares to give away before you had access to 10 countries.
To be fair, giving away 1/8th of the company for landing rights on 1/8th of the world's land area isn't a terrible deal.
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But it's only 2% of the world population.  I find it hard to believe they'd give away 12.5% of the company just for landing rights there.  There would either need to be launch discounts involved, or maybe they are talking about giving away 12.5% of their Russian subsidiary?  Giving away a sizable percentage of the company to a national government could potentially make it harder to deal with other national governments.

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Belated cross-posts re: OneWeb Soyuz launches from Kourou in 2019 and 2020:

Late February - OneWeb (x4-6):
https://ria.ru/20181214/1547964496.html

And:
https://ria.ru/20181222/1548457587.html
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MOSCOW, December 22 - RIA News. In the next two years, seven Russian Soyuz launch vehicles are to be launched from the Kourou space center in French Guiana, which should put 115 satellites in orbit, a source in the rocket and space industry told RIA Novosti.
"In 2019, four launches of the Soyuz with Kuru are planned, and in 2020 there will be three launches," he said.
According to him, the Soyuz with six British OneWeb communication satellites will go into space in February, with four British O3b in April, in October with Italian CSG-1 satellite and European CHEOPS, and in November with 34 OneWeb devices.
In 2020, launches are planned in January and October - 34 OneWeb satellites each time, as well as in May with the French CSO-2.
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Should not the first 6 satellites be delivered soon, from Airbus Defence and Space in Toulouse, to Kourou?
(Launch is scheduled from Kourou in late February.)
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EDIT ADD: launch on February 19
https://ria.ru/20181229/1548885463.html
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“Two launches of the Soyuz-ST carrier rocket with the Fregat upper stage are scheduled for February 19 and March 26. Four or six British OneWeb British communication satellites are planned to be launched into the first launch, and four British O3b communications satellites in the second - Said the source agency.
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Sounds like OneWeb has another Russia problem; FSB doesn't like it.

Venture Beat...

OneWeb (and the other constellations) will have that problem in many countries, they will not get worldwide permissions. This article just doesn't sound right, there has to be more to the story.  Giving away 12.5% of a company just to get usage rights in one country is not very viable.  You'd run out of shares to give away before you had access to 10 countries.

Official Statement from OneWeb on http://www.oneweb.world/

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Official Statement

December 28, 2018

Recently, certain press reports have emerged suggesting that OneWeb offered to sell a stake in the Company to the Russian Government. OneWeb has not offered to sell any stake in OneWeb to the Russian Government.

OneWeb is in the process of restructuring its existing commercial joint venture with its Russian partner, Gonets, to comply with certain regulatory requirements in Russia. The joint venture is solely for the commercialization of OneWeb’s satellite broadband services to customers in Russia. The joint venture will not have access to OneWeb's satellite technology or related know-how. The restructuring will result in Gonets owning a majority of the joint venture.

We remain focused on our mission to connect the unconnected and look forward to enabling that opportunity for everyone, everywhere. There is a lot of excitement surrounding OneWeb, as we’re nearing the launch of our system early next year, and we have been approached by many potential investors. The Russian Government is not one of them.

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I'm finding the official statement by OneWeb confusing.

Perhaps my understanding is not correct for what it means that Roscosmos is a state corporation.

If Roscosmos, as a state corporation, is owned by the Russian government, and Gonets is majority-owned by Roscosmos, and Gonets will have majority ownership of the venture with OneWeb, then OneWeb's venture with Gonets is majority owned by the Russian government.

Correct?

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I'm finding the official statement by OneWeb confusing.

Perhaps my understanding is not correct for what it means that Roscosmos is a state corporation.

If Roscosmos, as a state corporation, is owned by the Russian government, and Gonets is majority-owned by Roscosmos, and Gonets will have majority ownership of the venture with OneWeb, then OneWeb's venture with Gonets is majority owned by the Russian government.

Correct?

Correct.

What's confusing about that?

The joint venture is just the regional entity with the right to sell OneWeb services.  Owning the joint venture doesn't give Russia any control over the main company, which will own and operate the satellites.

It's like Russia owning 51% of the company that owns Apple stores in Russia.  That doesn't give them any control over Apple, the company that makes the iPhone, just the company that sells them in Russia.

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I'm finding the official statement by OneWeb confusing.

Perhaps my understanding is not correct for what it means that Roscosmos is a state corporation.

If Roscosmos, as a state corporation, is owned by the Russian government, and Gonets is majority-owned by Roscosmos, and Gonets will have majority ownership of the venture with OneWeb, then OneWeb's venture with Gonets is majority owned by the Russian government.

Correct?

Correct.

What's confusing about that?

The joint venture is just the regional entity with the right to sell OneWeb services.  Owning the joint venture doesn't give Russia any control over the main company, which will own and operate the satellites.

It's like Russia owning 51% of the company that owns Apple stores in Russia.  That doesn't give them any control over Apple, the company that makes the iPhone, just the company that sells them in Russia.

I guess I just needed a good example to understand it - and you provided it.
Thanks!  :)

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Belated cross-post re: first OneWeb Soyuz launch from Kourou in 2019:
OneWeb - February 7:
https://ria.ru/science/20181010/1530316990.html

Possibly interesting to paraphrase the OneWeb launch schedule discribed inside this article.
First launch from CSG Feb. 2019 with 4-6 Sats.
Another CSG launch in the second half (November) 2019 with 34-36 sats.
And this article quotes three further launches from CSG in 2020.
(The article from Dec. 22 states two in January and Oktober) So 5 or 4 launches from CSG (Kourou).

There are ten (10) launches planned from Baikonour, between autumn (Q3) 2019 and mid-end Q1 2020.
Afterwards six (6) launches are planned from Vostochny between Q2 and Q3 2020.
Take notice that this was before OneWeb announced they scaled back the constellation to 600 sats.

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