Author Topic: Eutelsat OneWeb: Constellation - General Thread  (Read 682256 times)

Offline Mandella

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Correct me if I am wrong (always) but since OneWeb is not being "aimed" at the individual user, then the only way for an individual user to connect with it is through traditional wired connections to some hub, or I suppose a WISP of some kind.

This is only competition with Starlink perhaps in undeveloped regions that would be supposed to have one uplink/downlink per village, with everyone else connecting to that.

But say in my use case where if I could hook up wired internet I would OneWeb is not a choice, so thus no competition to Starlink at all.

What am I missing?

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Oneweb will have far fewer user terminals since they're not serving individual households.

Come again? Local distributors ≠ not serving individual households directly.
« Last Edit: 03/11/2021 07:17 pm by ncb1397 »

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It's been a while since I updated the status of the OneWeb constellation. All the sats are orbit raising; of 111 sats, none failed while in low orbit.

https://twitter.com/planet4589/status/1370752273580752901

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How are they achieving so much coverage and such speeds with so few satellites? I realise the higher altitude allows for larger areas to be covered per satellite, but 600 satellites vs 12000 satellites seems an excessive difference.

Also, that means they need to cover more subscribers per satellite so how do they maintain the required bandwidth to support high speeds for so many more customers per “cell”? Are their satellites an order of magnitude more powerful / capable than the Starlink sats?

What’s going on here?
What's going on is that people keep treating Starlink and OneWeb like they're comparable systems. Mostly out of politeness, I think. Once ISL laser links are up, it's going to be like Verizon's network compared to a handful of CB radios.

This actually brings up something I had in the back of my mind for a while now. SDA/DARPA Black Jack and the transport layer sats will use interoperable ISL's. Is there a compelling business case to have some cross-constellation linkage/routing, where end-to-end doesn't need to touch the ground in between if both customers are satcomm customers, even if on different mega-constellations? Or is that still too hard now, operating a virtual peering point in space?

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How are they achieving so much coverage and such speeds with so few satellites? I realise the higher altitude allows for larger areas to be covered per satellite, but 600 satellites vs 12000 satellites seems an excessive difference.

Also, that means they need to cover more subscribers per satellite so how do they maintain the required bandwidth to support high speeds for so many more customers per “cell”? Are their satellites an order of magnitude more powerful / capable than the Starlink sats?

What’s going on here?
What's going on is that people keep treating Starlink and OneWeb like they're comparable systems. Mostly out of politeness, I think. Once ISL laser links are up, it's going to be like Verizon's network compared to a handful of CB radios.

This actually brings up something I had in the back of my mind for a while now. SDA/DARPA Black Jack and the transport layer sats will use interoperable ISL's. Is there a compelling business case to have some cross-constellation linkage/routing, where end-to-end doesn't need to touch the ground in between if both customers are satcomm customers, even if on different mega-constellations? Or is that still too hard now, operating a virtual peering point in space?
The tricky part there is pointing. Satellites in the same constellation are on the same C&C net, so communicating relative positions and closed-loop tracking (measure and report beam aspect) is not an issue. SDA is still one constellation, so either share the same C&C net or are by-design using C&C nets that talk to each other intimately.
For commercial constellations, it's harder to 'retrofit' that sort of communication after the constellations are deployed, especially when there is some mutual incompatibility (even if that incompatibility is procedural rather than hardware) because it would mean one or both constellation owners would need to conduct major rework.

Not that ISR peering is not a good idea, it's just one that that kind of needs to be mailed down before the constellations involved have started deploying. Seeing as at least one constellation has not yet nailed down it's finalised ISR solution while deploying, that seems unlikely until hypothetical 'gen 2' satellites for each constellation can start rolling out with mutual compatibility designed in along with 'backward' compatibility with 'gen 1' satellites. 

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Prep for #OneWebLaunch 5 continues with our team working hard in Vostochny. 36 OneWeb satellites are now fully integrated to the dispenser and preparing for encapsulation to the fairing.

https://twitter.com/OneWeb/status/1371654814422159365

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.@OneWeb's contracted launches w/ @Arianespace using Russian #Soyuz rockets from Russian spaceports not affected by new US sanctions because licenses already filed. But future commercial Soyuz flights could face issues.http://bit.ly/2NtZfCc

https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/1372196573782884355

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https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1372597294810468357

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Since the last Soyuz launch of 36 OneWeb satellites, SpaceX has launched 370 Starlink satellites; another 60 may launch before this mission.

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The warhead with the OneWeb spacecraft is docked with the 3rd stage of the Soyuz-2 LV

03/18/2021 20:07

Specialists of the Vostochny Space Center (a branch of the Center for the Operation of Ground-Based Space Infrastructure Facilities at the Vostochny Cosmodrome, part of the Roskosmos State Corporation), using a transborder gallery, transported the space warhead assembled the day before to the assembly and test building of the launch vehicle. It includes the Fregat upper stage and spacecraft from the OneWeb satellite company installed on the transition farm.

In accordance with the comprehensive training schedule, a joint team of specialists performed the docking of the warhead with the third stage of the Soyuz-2.1b launch vehicle in the assembly hall of the Vostochny cosmodrome. The "package" (the first and second stages of the carrier) was transferred to the transport and installation unit. In the coming days, the general assembly of the space rocket will take place, which is the final operation before being transported to the launch complex.

The launch of a new batch of 36 OneWeb spacecraft is scheduled for March 25, 2021. It will become the second fully commercial one from the Vostochny cosmodrome.

https://www.roscosmos.ru/30398/

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Get ready for lift-off! Rocket Our fifth #OneWebLaunch from Vostochny is scheduled for 25th March 2:47AM (UTC) / 24th March 10:47PM (ET). We’ll be live-streaming the launch on the day, so be sure to set your reminders and keep your eyes peeled for updates along the way.

https://twitter.com/OneWeb/status/1372580874831691778

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March 19, 2021

OneWeb and SatixFy sign agreement for In-Flight Connectivity (IFC) compact terminal

Terminal to deliver Wi-Fi on aircraft via LEO/GEO satellites.

London and Farnborough, UK: OneWeb, the global communications network powered from Space and SatixFy UK, a leading multibeam antenna and terminal design specialist, have signed an agreement to develop a new In-Flight Connectivity (IFC) terminal that will work over the OneWeb network as well as on Geostationary (GEO) satellite networks. SatixFy UK has formed a Joint Venture with Singapore Technology Engineering Ltd (ST Engineering), called JetTalk, to exclusively commercialize the IFC terminal for Commercial Aviation markets.

The Agreement reaffirms OneWeb’s ambitions in the global aerospace arena as it sets out its roadmap to support commercial, regional, business and government aviation users.

The IFC terminal will unleash the power of OneWeb’s Low Earth Orbit (LEO) constellation and deliver a ‘home-equivalent’ inflight broadband experience, while also allowing operators to complement their legacy GEO service. The product is based on SatixFy’s Electronically Steered Multibeam Antenna (ESMA) technology, developed together with JetTalk and provides multibeam capability and operates simultaneously on multiple LEO and GEO satellites.

Well positioned to bring ESMA technology to the market earlier than originally anticipated, SatixFy, has recently completed the development of Tx tile of 576 elements and Rx tile of 1024 elements, that can be used as building blocks for the planned terminal. The tiles, which have been co-developed together with JetTalk, have completed initial testing and are currently being implemented inside a terminal product. The OneWeb IFC terminal will integrate the OneWeb modem as well as a GEO network one, inside the terminal.

“Suitability for all aviation applications” – Ben Griffin, OneWeb VP Mobility

OneWeb is confident of its suitability for all aviation applications – commercial, regional, business and government aviation use-cases. Ben Griffin, VP Mobility at OneWeb, said: “OneWeb is creating IFC solutions which offer a significant increase in the whole passenger travelling experience. This agreement with SatixFy represents a major milestone for OneWeb Aviation, as we plot our path to facilitating onboard connectivity, globally, on commercial airliners and corporate jets, large and small.”

“The ability to deploy multibeam, multi-satellite, multi-orbit IFC terminals is key in SatixFy’s offering developed in partnership with ST Engineering through our Joint Venture – JetTalk.” says Yoel Gat, SatixFy’s CEO. “Aggregating capacity from multiple satellites will give customers the grade of service they expect on flights. This great leap forward is made possible thanks to the continuous support by ESA and UK Space Agency.”

Catherine Mealing-Jones, Director of Growth at the UK Space Agency, said: “The last year has shown connectivity has never been more important to our daily lives, and it is exciting to see SatixFy and OneWeb working together to provide aircraft with broadband internet for the first time. The new aviation terminal will make use of the Prime, Beat and Sx3099 ASIC chips developed with UK Space Agency backing, showing how supporting our most innovative companies leads to results that make a real difference for people all over the world.”

Elodie Viau, Director of Telecommunications and Integrated Applications at ESA, said: “Space and satellites are becoming increasingly important to the digital economy and there is a need to get data all the time and everywhere – even on board a plane. ESA is proud to have supported SatixFy in the design of the chips used for this terminal – enabling the digital transformation of society using telecommunications satellites.”

About OneWeb

OneWeb will enable connectivity for governments, businesses, and communities. It is implementing a constellation of Low Earth Orbit satellites with a network of global gateway stations and a range of user terminals to provide an affordable, fast, high-bandwidth and low-latency communications service, connected to the IoT future and a pathway to 5G for everyone, everywhere.

OneWeb is enhancing the experience of air travel and its network will deliver the speed, consistency and reliability that passengers expect to have in the sky for work or leisure. Find out more at http://www.oneweb.world

About SatixFy

SatixFy is a vertically integrated company that provides chips and products across the entire satellites communications (satcom) value chain. Its products enable critical remote connectivity applications globally and incorporate the latest technological advances. SatixFy designs its own silicon proprietary chips, codes its software, builds its products and designs end-to-end systems for use in various applications and services, such as in-flight connectivity, IoT, communication payloads, consumer broadband, and more. The company leverages its research and development (R&D) and technical capabilities to design standard based communication products and systems with the most desirable qualities, such as: higher capacity, lower power consumption, lower weight, and lower cost. For more information, visit: www.satixfy.com.

https://www.satixfy.com/news/oneweb-and-satixfy-sign-agreement-for-in-flight-connectivity-ifc-compact-terminal/

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Soyuz-2.1b launch vehicle with OneWeb spacecraft is ready to be transported to the start of Vostochny

03/20/2021 12:12

In the assembly and testing building of the Vostochny cosmodrome, a joint team of specialists from subsidiaries of the State Corporation Roscosmos has completed the general assembly of the Soyuz-2.1b space rocket. In accordance with the schedule, the spacecraft (36 OneWeb spacecraft under the fairing) and the third stage with the "package" (first and second stages) of the launch vehicle were docked.

Currently, a space rocket is installed on a transport and installation unit. Today, on March 20, 2021, a meeting of the State Commission for flight tests of space complexes for socio-economic, scientific and commercial purposes was held on its readiness to be transported to the launch complex and work on preparation for launch.

Removal from the assembly and test building, the installation of the launch vehicle into the launch device and the run over of the mobile service tower onto the launch pad will be performed on March 22, 2021. The launch of a new batch of 36 spacecraft from the satellite company OneWeb is scheduled for March 25, 2021. It will become the second fully commercial one from the Vostochny cosmodrome.

https://www.roscosmos.ru/30422/

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The prep for lift-off continues as we countdown to our launch in just 5 days! A huge thank you to our incredible team working round the clock to make it happen..

https://twitter.com/OneWeb/status/1373303322246012928

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#Soyuz rocket for the 5th @OneWeb mission is now fully assembled and ready for rollout to its launch pad in Vostochny on March 22. Liftoff is planned for Thursday (March 25) local time:

https://twitter.com/RussianSpaceWeb/status/1373306776918048775

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OneWeb: Dominic Cummings and the £400m public bailout to rescue an imperilled satellite internet firm

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The company behind the launch is both funded and owned by the British taxpayer, after Boris Johnson authorised spending £400m rescuing this unknown company that was in bankruptcy proceedings in the US at the height of the pandemic.

Sky News has assembled the complete story of the acquisition for the first time, starting a year ago when the company was in peril and involving doors of the most senior politicians opening throughout Whitehall at remarkable speed despite the grave doubts of civil servants.

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OneWeb: Dominic Cummings and the £400m public bailout to rescue an imperilled satellite internet firm

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The company behind the launch is both funded and owned by the British taxpayer, after Boris Johnson authorised spending £400m rescuing this unknown company that was in bankruptcy proceedings in the US at the height of the pandemic.

Sky News has assembled the complete story of the acquisition for the first time, starting a year ago when the company was in peril and involving doors of the most senior politicians opening throughout Whitehall at remarkable speed despite the grave doubts of civil servants.

They will rue the day.

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On Vostochny, work is underway according to the schedule of the first starting day

03/22/2021 05:30

In accordance with the  decision of the State Commission, on the morning of March 22, 2021, the Soyuz-2.1b launch vehicle with the Fregat upper stage and 36 British OneWeb spacecraft was taken from the technical facility to the Vostochny launch complex and installed in the launch system. Its launch is scheduled for March 25 at 05:47 Moscow time.

Today at 01:00 Moscow time (according to the old tradition - 07:00 local), the transportation of the space rocket to the launch complex began, and at the same time, specialists from the organizations of the State Corporation Roscosmos began work on the preparation of the launch equipment. A few hours later, the carrier rocket was installed in the launch system, and a servicing tower was brought to it, which is designed for the prelaunch preparation of space rockets of the Soyuz-2 family.

Within the framework of the first launch day, it is planned to assemble the measurement system diagrams, the control system and the filling level measurement system, as well as the docking of filling and pneumatic communications. In the afternoon, autonomous checks of the Fregat upper stage and the Soyuz-2 launch vehicle will begin, as well as preparation of OneWeb spacecraft for the upcoming launch on Thursday.

The procedure for the removal of the launch vehicle was observed by representatives of the management of the State Corporation Roscosmos and its subsidiary Glavkosmos, as well as authorized representatives of foreign companies: Arianespace, Starsem and OneWeb.



The Soyuz-2.1b launch vehicle was created at the Progress Rocket and Space Center (Samara, part of the Roscosmos State Corporation) and is a modification of Soyuz-2. In comparison with variant "1a" it has an engine with increased energy characteristics at the 3rd stage. The Soyuz-2.1b has higher launch accuracy, stability and controllability than the previous version, and an increased payload mass.

It is a three-stage medium-class launch vehicle. Launch weight - 312 tons, maximum length - 46.3 m. Equipped with a control system based on a digital computer of the Scientific and Production Association of Automation named after V.I. Academician Semikhatov (Yekaterinburg, part of the State Corporation "Roscosmos").

https://www.roscosmos.ru/30427/

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#Soyuz has reached the launch zone for our next mission on March 25!It will put 36 @OneWeb's satellites into a near polar orbit at an altitude of 450 kilometers! After separation, the spacecraft will raise themselves to their operational orbit.

https://twitter.com/Arianespace/status/1373988847185506306

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Today is rollout day! Our rocket has arrived at its final location and has been rolled out to the launchpad ready for liftoff in just over 2 days’ time. Head to our stories to see the full process

https://twitter.com/OneWeb/status/1374045948331048963

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