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A launch target for December suggests no modifications to the satellites for any navigational services.

I wouldn't expect any innovative positioning service from OneWeb - just a Number 2 competitor to Starlink. If it doesn't fail again, the British Government can declare success and move on.

Nomadd's response actually applies here too:

Throwing away hundreds of millions of dollars you've already paid doesn't save money.
That philosophy often costs companies huge amounts of money. The entire OneWeb project is a good example.
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.@OneWeb bankruptcy court OKs additional $230 million in DIP financing to assure continued @OneWebSatellit1 production in Florida and advance work on ground network, user terminal R&D.

https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/1309452592087474176

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Inside the battle to build a British version of the Galileo satellite system

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”It makes more sense to examine how OneWeb can be turned into a global, sector leading positioning service over time,” says David Morris, the Conservative MP who chairs Parliament’s space group.

At first, the UK Space Agency snubbed the deal. But with GNSS scrapped, it seems all options are back on the table. “The [space agency] put £90m into GNSS. They are now accepting that is gone,” a source says.

The Business Department said it was now planning to look at “exploiting technologies offered by companies at the cutting-edge of innovation such as OneWeb, Inmarsat and Airbus”.

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Proponents say using it for positioning and navigation is perfectly possible. OneWeb’s first run of satellites would be used for broadband, but future satellites, that are easily customised and built in an Airbus factory in Florida, could include more navigation capacity.

These could be linked up to state-of-the-art ground control systems, some of which could house atomic clocks. Together, this would provide a viable back up to GPS. Sources say the US Department of Defence is keen on the idea, and more supportive of it as a failsafe system than watching Europe try and usurp GPS.

There are sceptics. Carissa Christensen, chief executive of Bryce Space, told a recent inquiry into the OneWeb deal: “It is an open question as to the extent to which that system, in the near term, is suitable for navigation.”

The key name here is the one I’ve bolded in this quote.

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Whatever the future direction, space now has a seat at the top table. A new UK Space Council is being chaired by Chancellor Rishi Sunak and the sector has the personal interest of Dominic Cummings, Boris Johnson's top adviser. The Government’s overarching goal remains a 10pc share of the £400bn space economy by 2030.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/09/27/inside-battle-build-british-version-galileo-satellite-system/
« Last Edit: 09/28/2020 04:17 pm by Star One »

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The key name here is the one I’ve bolded in this quote.

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Whatever the future direction, space now has a seat at the top table. A new UK Space Council is being chaired by Chancellor Rishi Sunak and the sector has the personal interest of Dominic Cummings, Boris Johnson's top adviser. The Government’s overarching goal remains a 10pc share of the £400bn space economy by 2030.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/09/27/inside-battle-build-british-version-galileo-satellite-system/
For those of you not in the know, Cummings is the PMs chief advisor, and seen by some as the power behind the throne. He is known for his unconventional thinking, fondness of technological solutions and disdain for conventional civil service and governmental practices. He has been involved in many controversial decisions this government has made. Not trying to make any political point here, and apologies if any of my own bias seeps through in that description.

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Inside the battle to build a British version of the Galileo satellite system

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”It makes more sense to examine how OneWeb can be turned into a global, sector leading positioning service over time,” says David Morris, the Conservative MP who chairs Parliament’s space group.

At first, the UK Space Agency snubbed the deal. But with GNSS scrapped, it seems all options are back on the table. “The [space agency] put £90m into GNSS. They are now accepting that is gone,” a source says.

The Business Department said it was now planning to look at “exploiting technologies offered by companies at the cutting-edge of innovation such as OneWeb, Inmarsat and Airbus”.

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Proponents say using it for positioning and navigation is perfectly possible. OneWeb’s first run of satellites would be used for broadband, but future satellites, that are easily customised and built in an Airbus factory in Florida, could include more navigation capacity.

These could be linked up to state-of-the-art ground control systems, some of which could house atomic clocks. Together, this would provide a viable back up to GPS. Sources say the US Department of Defence is keen on the idea, and more supportive of it as a failsafe system than watching Europe try and usurp GPS.

There are sceptics. Carissa Christensen, chief executive of Bryce Space, told a recent inquiry into the OneWeb deal: “It is an open question as to the extent to which that system, in the near term, is suitable for navigation.”

The key name here is the one I’ve bolded in this quote.

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Whatever the future direction, space now has a seat at the top table. A new UK Space Council is being chaired by Chancellor Rishi Sunak and the sector has the personal interest of Dominic Cummings, Boris Johnson's top adviser. The Government’s overarching goal remains a 10pc share of the £400bn space economy by 2030.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/09/27/inside-battle-build-british-version-galileo-satellite-system/

Technical background, e.g.,  "Fused Low-Earth-Orbit GNSS" https://arxiv.org/abs/2009.12334 
Also posted that link in the general Starlink thread.

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The key name here is the one I’ve bolded in this quote.

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Whatever the future direction, space now has a seat at the top table. A new UK Space Council is being chaired by Chancellor Rishi Sunak and the sector has the personal interest of Dominic Cummings, Boris Johnson's top adviser. The Government’s overarching goal remains a 10pc share of the £400bn space economy by 2030.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/09/27/inside-battle-build-british-version-galileo-satellite-system/
For those of you not in the know, Cummings is the PMs chief advisor, and seen by some as the power behind the throne. He is known for his unconventional thinking, fondness of technological solutions and disdain for conventional civil service and governmental practices. He has been involved in many controversial decisions this government has made. Not trying to make any political point here, and apologies if any of my own bias seeps through in that description.
Thank you. I forgot that many will not know who he is or his significance.

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BREAKING: US Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of New York approves @OneWeb's Chapter 11 Plan releasing the company from bankruptcy. OneWeb is back in business.

https://twitter.com/Megaconstellati/status/1312081364133576704


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What a... deal?

https://twitter.com/AuerSusan/status/1313112043633999877
It's traditional for LEO telecommunications constellations to go through bankruptcy. I'd almost be concerned if they DIDN'T go through bankruptcy.
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What a... deal?

It's traditional for LEO telecommunications constellations to go through bankruptcy. I'd almost be concerned if they DIDN'T go through bankruptcy.

In that tone, what were the legacy Iridium bankruptcy conditions compared with this one? At least their constellation was (mostly?) deployed by the time they crashed, wasn't it?
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Softbank forced OneWeb into bankruptcy by loading them with debt and then stopping further investment.  Softbank also agreed to get a portion of their bankruptcy recovery as stock instead of cash.  Most of the other investors put in token amounts.

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https://twitter.com/OneWeb/status/1313126219483934726

Quote from: OneWeb
Last spring we partnered with @BMW to test the OneWeb connectivity experience. In three tests, the OneWeb network exceeded the latency and speed of a 4G/LTE network. While streaming @netflix ping rates were 35 ms compared to 71 ms on the LTE network. (1/2)

https://twitter.com/OneWeb/status/1313126752869396484

Quote from: OneWeb
What did we test while connecting @BMW network:
Netflix ✓
YouTube ✓
Teams ✓
AWS File Transfer ✓
We are just getting started! You can read the full study here:
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2007/2007.12748.pdf (2/2)

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What a... deal?

It's traditional for LEO telecommunications constellations to go through bankruptcy. I'd almost be concerned if they DIDN'T go through bankruptcy.

In that tone, what were the legacy Iridium bankruptcy conditions compared with this one? At least their constellation was (mostly?) deployed by the time they crashed, wasn't it?

Iridium and OneWeb bankruptcies are not very similar.  As you say, Iridium declared bankruptcy after its constellation was more or less complete, while OneWeb has several billions of spending to go.

The twists and turns in the Iridium bankruptcy were numerous and honestly, I don't know for sure where it all settled out in the end.  But on its face, it was a $5 billion system that was purchased for $25 million.  I think all of the creditors more or less got zero for it, as in zero cents on the dollar recovery.
« Last Edit: 10/05/2020 02:51 pm by RedLineTrain »

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 Iridium was about to deorbit their sats when someone with influence stepped in. Wasting an asset like that would have been cosmically stupid considering it's only problem was old debt. You don't want a bad precedent, but the capability was too valuable not to make an exception.
 Oneweb is a different story.
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What a... deal?

https://twitter.com/AuerSusan/status/1313112043633999877
It's traditional for LEO telecommunications constellations to go through bankruptcy. I'd almost be concerned if they DIDN'T go through bankruptcy.

Just wild speculation: If somehow miraculously OW's stock price was to go up by 20X then all these creditors would be back to where they started! .... having lost the use of their investment for a few years.

Is their value $0.5B ? 20x would only be $10B Which is not impossible if aspects of the business are successful.
Finance is a wishy washy mess... into which I don't invest effort... so I could be waaay out on this....
« Last Edit: 10/05/2020 06:04 pm by DistantTemple »
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.@OneWeb terminates the controversial JV with @roscosmos subsidiary Gonets, transfers its 49% stake to the latter. The move does not affect satellite launches by #Soyuz rockets through @Arianespace but only gateway operation and market access in Russia.

https://twitter.com/Megaconstellati/status/1313496211840696326

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.@OneWeb terminates the controversial JV with @roscosmos subsidiary Gonets, transfers its 49% stake to the latter. The move does not affect satellite launches by #Soyuz rockets through @Arianespace but only gateway operation and market access in Russia.

https://twitter.com/Megaconstellati/status/1313496211840696326

https://www.vedomosti.ru/technology/articles/2020/10/05/842210-oneweb-rossii

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OneWeb will remain in Russia

The announcement of OneWeb's withdrawal from the joint venture with the Russian company "Gonets" was not confirmed

The British edition of The Daily Telegraph on the morning of October 5, citing a statement from OneWeb, announced the decision of this satellite operator to withdraw from the joint venture with the Russian company Gonets. However, in the evening "Messenger" explained that there was no question of the partner's withdrawal from the joint venture. The point is the transfer of its 49% stake to another subsidiary of OneWeb as part of the restructuring of the operator's business.
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 the share in the Russian joint venture is transferred from one "daughter" of OneWeb LLC - OneWeb Network Access Holdings Limited - to another, called OneWeb Development Limited.
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Who is right?

Edit: forgot article title
« Last Edit: 10/07/2020 04:59 pm by GWR64 »

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I suppose it's understandable if OneWeb is effectively UK nationalized, but if the stated goal of global satellite broadband is still on, poking your local partner in the eye is not helpful...

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On and after the entry of this Order, but subject to
the occurrence of the Effective Date, the Debtors shall be authorized to take all actions consistent
with this Order and the Plan as may be necessary or appropriate to effectuate the Restructuring
Transactions, including without limitation the transfer of the 49% interest held in OneWeb Limited
Liability Company (“Russian JV”) by OneWeb Network Access Holdings Limited, a Debtor, to
non-Debtor affiliate, OneWeb Development Limited, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of
OneWeb Global Limited, a Liquidating Debtor, by way of a share purchase agreement. The rights
and obligations of OneWeb Network Access Holdings Limited under the Joint Venture Agreement
in relation to the Russian JV (the “JVA”) shall be novated to OneWeb Development Limited upon
the completion of such transfer. Pursuant to the restructuring steps, the Plan Administrator shall
confer and consult with the Reorganized Debtors to transfer the interests in the Russian JV to the
joint venture partner, which owns the remaining 51% of the Russian JV, or effect such other
treatment of the interests in the Russian JV as agreed to by the Reorganized Debtors and the joint
venture partner to ensure the necessary cooperation required under the JVA and limit liabilities
arising therefrom.

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