Interesting that, after some vagueness at the Bridenstine-Musk event about commercial crew schedules, to have NASA’s Steve Stich at #ISPCS2019 talking about putting crews in orbit in the “next 6 to 8 months.”
Both Stich and Boeing’s John Mulholland mentioned in their #ISPCS2019 panel that the Starliner crewed flight could take place in the first quarter of 2020, assuming pad abort and uncrewed test flights go as planned.
OIG on Commercial Crew: "Final vehicle certificationfor both contractors (Boeing and SpaceX) will likely be delayed at least until summer 2020"
QuoteOIG on Commercial Crew: "Final vehicle certificationfor both contractors (Boeing and SpaceX) will likely be delayed at least until summer 2020"
Summer 2020Watching Atlantis land on July 21 2011, I'd have never guessed that it would take Americans AT LEAST 9 years to load humans aboard a capsule and send them to ISS.Disappointing.
Quote from: Hog on 11/15/2019 12:21 amSummer 2020Watching Atlantis land on July 21 2011, I'd have never guessed that it would take Americans AT LEAST 9 years to load humans aboard a capsule and send them to ISS.Disappointing.More like 15 years...Shuttle replacement started in 2004 under Sean O'Keefe.Ares I / Orion was announced in 2005 under Mike Griffin.
If you're going to count CEV, you might as well count Orbital Space Plane too, which started in 2002. And I'm sure there're efforts even earlier than that...
Quote from: su27k on 11/15/2019 03:00 amIf you're going to count CEV, you might as well count Orbital Space Plane too, which started in 2002. And I'm sure there're efforts even earlier than that...I started in 2004 because that's when President George W. Bush announced the retirement of the Shuttle and directed NASA to work on a replacement.
At a rollout event at the Kennedy Space Center ahead of Starliner’s first uncrewed test flight, Boeing’s John Mulholland says says teams are readying the second Starliner spacecraft for its first crewed mission “in the middle of next year.”
Quote from: QuantumG on 11/15/2019 03:04 amQuote from: su27k on 11/15/2019 03:00 amIf you're going to count CEV, you might as well count Orbital Space Plane too, which started in 2002. And I'm sure there're efforts even earlier than that...I started in 2004 because that's when President George W. Bush announced the retirement of the Shuttle and directed NASA to work on a replacement.While this may be stretching it a bit, one could make the case that it "started" immediately following the February 2003 loss of Columbia, when the replacement vehicle need became starkly apparent, and more specifically, when Astronaut John Young, just a few weeks later, wrote an article calling for NASA to develop a capsule based on a 5% larger version of Apollo with upgraded avionics and materials as the mainstay for NASA orbital access -- something he stated could not only be safer, but available "soon."
Well, I guess I don't have a clue about the US crewed program, as I agree with John Young! :-) The US did in fact have a program in place that could have fielded a capsule relatively quickly, called OSP (Orbital Space Plane) which included capsule options.http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3541478/ns/technology_and_science-space/t/changing-shape-spacecraft-come/Unfortunately, after Columbia, they canned the program in favour of a new program that added in the requirements of deep space operations. What we got was the 5.5 m diameter Orion and it went downhill from there.
Quote from: Ike17055 on 11/22/2019 06:34 pmQuote from: QuantumG on 11/15/2019 03:04 amQuote from: su27k on 11/15/2019 03:00 amIf you're going to count CEV, you might as well count Orbital Space Plane too, which started in 2002. And I'm sure there're efforts even earlier than that...I started in 2004 because that's when President George W. Bush announced the retirement of the Shuttle and directed NASA to work on a replacement.While this may be stretching it a bit, one could make the case that it "started" immediately following the February 2003 loss of Columbia, when the replacement vehicle need became starkly apparent, and more specifically, when Astronaut John Young, just a few weeks later, wrote an article calling for NASA to develop a capsule based on a 5% larger version of Apollo with upgraded avionics and materials as the mainstay for NASA orbital access -- something he stated could not only be safer, but available "soon."Which goes to show that even highly seasoned astronauts have no clue about what the US mannen space program is actually about.
Quote from: woods170 on 11/22/2019 08:26 pmQuote from: Ike17055 on 11/22/2019 06:34 pmQuote from: QuantumG on 11/15/2019 03:04 amQuote from: su27k on 11/15/2019 03:00 amIf you're going to count CEV, you might as well count Orbital Space Plane too, which started in 2002. And I'm sure there're efforts even earlier than that...I started in 2004 because that's when President George W. Bush announced the retirement of the Shuttle and directed NASA to work on a replacement.While this may be stretching it a bit, one could make the case that it "started" immediately following the February 2003 loss of Columbia, when the replacement vehicle need became starkly apparent, and more specifically, when Astronaut John Young, just a few weeks later, wrote an article calling for NASA to develop a capsule based on a 5% larger version of Apollo with upgraded avionics and materials as the mainstay for NASA orbital access -- something he stated could not only be safer, but available "soon."Which goes to show that even highly seasoned astronauts have no clue about what the US mannen space program is actually about.That’s snarky and dismissive, but lacking in useful information. Some people feel the purpose of the US manned space program is to wave the flag. Others feel its purpose is to launch huge masses of dollar bills to Huntsville. What do you believe “the US mannen space program is actually about.” Then please explain how Young’s concept of a capsule, or any other concept, fits or doesn’t fit with that purpose.
Bridenstine: discussions underway with Roscosmos on additional Soyuz seats. Confident we’ll get another seat for 2020, also talking about 2021. But we’re really hopefully comm’l crew will be operating by then.
https://twitter.com/Commercial_Crew/status/1203077179007000577Quote from: NASA Commercial CrewThe launch of @BoeingSpace’s uncrewed Orbital Flight Test to the @Space_Station is now targeted for 6:36 a.m. ET Friday, Dec. 20: https://blogs.nasa.gov/commercialcrew/
The launch of @BoeingSpace’s uncrewed Orbital Flight Test to the @Space_Station is now targeted for 6:36 a.m. ET Friday, Dec. 20: https://blogs.nasa.gov/commercialcrew/
https://twitter.com/Commercial_Crew/status/1203092891201085441Quote from: NASA Commercial Crew.@NASA & @SpaceX are targeting no earlier than Jan. 4 for an In-Flight Abort Test of the #CrewDragon 🐉 from Launch Complex 39A at @NASAKennedy.The test of the escape system is one of the final tests before astronauts will fly aboard the spacecraft: http://blogs.nasa.gov/commercialcrew/2019/12/06/spacex-in-flight-abort-test-launch-date-update/
.@NASA & @SpaceX are targeting no earlier than Jan. 4 for an In-Flight Abort Test of the #CrewDragon 🐉 from Launch Complex 39A at @NASAKennedy.The test of the escape system is one of the final tests before astronauts will fly aboard the spacecraft: http://blogs.nasa.gov/commercialcrew/2019/12/06/spacex-in-flight-abort-test-launch-date-update/
Whoah, they did it. Back in October, Musk said they aspired to complete these 10 tests before the end of 2019. I'm hearing reasonably positive things about spring as a time frame for DM-2.
