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Offline DigitalMan

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Re: Commercial Crew Schedule Analysis
« Reply #820 on: 07/12/2019 08:24 pm »
Loren has an interview with Bridenstine up on the Verge that makes me wonder about commercial crew schedules for both providers.

Any thoughts?
« Last Edit: 07/13/2019 04:09 pm by DigitalMan »

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Re: Commercial Crew Schedule Analysis
« Reply #821 on: 07/12/2019 08:32 pm »
Loren has an interview with Bridenstein up on the Verge that makes me wonder about commercial crew schedules for both providers.

Any thoughts?

Can you post the exact quote from the article? But to answer your question, but some internal target dates for SpaceX launches have been posted to L2 recently and both the IFA and DM-2 dates differ from the latest public schedule released by NASA

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Re: Commercial Crew Schedule Analysis
« Reply #822 on: 07/12/2019 08:36 pm »
Loren has an interview with Bridenstein up on the Verge that makes me wonder about commercial crew schedules for both providers.

Any thoughts?

Can you post the exact quote from the article? But to answer your question, but some internal target dates for SpaceX launches have been posted to L2 recently and both the IFA and DM-2 dates differ from the latest public schedule released by NASA

https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/12/20691740/nasa-administrator-jim-bridenstine-bill-gerstenmaier-reassignment
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Bridenstine: So SLS is an example, but also Commercial Crew is going to have to be re-baselined. So when I say re-baselined, I mean rescheduled. People have seen that the Crew Dragon blew up during a test of the Super Draco engines that are used during launch abort should one occur. We’re going to have to come up with new dates for that and, of course, make sure that the dates for the Boeing launch are locked down as well, which may need to be adjusted. But we’re going to have that reassessed as well.

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Re: Commercial Crew Schedule Analysis
« Reply #823 on: 07/12/2019 08:39 pm »
Quote #1, which is not concerning by itself (to me)

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We’re going to let those leaders come in and make sure that we can re-baseline some of our projects and programs to include SLS and Orion, and Commercial Crew.

Here Loren asks for more details:

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I’m wondering what “re-baselining” means exactly. Can you point to anything specific that you would like to see change under this new leadership?

We need new dates for SLS, for example. I mean, I’ve been very public about the challenges that we’ve had with the SLS program. We know that we’re not going to make a June 2020 launch at this point. What we haven’t done at this point is set a new date, and I’d like to bring in somebody new that can buy in and help us make certain that whatever date we select next is realistic, achievable, and that we can move toward that new date.

So SLS is an example, but also Commercial Crew is going to have to be re-baselined. So when I say re-baselined, I mean rescheduled. People have seen that the Crew Dragon blew up during a test of the Super Draco engines that are used during launch abort should one occur. We’re going to have to come up with new dates for that and, of course, make sure that the dates for the Boeing launch are locked down as well, which may need to be adjusted. But we’re going to have that reassessed as well.

I definitely recommend reading Loren's article she asks excellent questions.
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Re: Commercial Crew Schedule Analysis
« Reply #824 on: 07/12/2019 10:38 pm »
https://twitter.com/wapodavenport/status/1149806523129970689
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One of the nuggets to come out of this was when asked if SpaceX or Boeing would fly a crewed mission this year, @JimBridenstine , who has been steadfast that at least one would happen in 2019, said: "I honestly don't know."

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Re: Commercial Crew Schedule Analysis
« Reply #828 on: 07/30/2019 01:02 pm »
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1156187556171718656

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NASA’s Kirk Shireman: Boeing and SpaceX still have multiple flight tests before they’re ready to fly crew rotation missions. Some significant uncertainly remains on schedule, and won’t be able to remove that for a few months. #ISSRDC

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Re: Commercial Crew Schedule Analysis
« Reply #829 on: 08/03/2019 01:54 pm »
SpaceX’s crewed Dragon launch debut likely to slip into 2020 as NASA pursues “realistic” dates..

By Jamie Groh Posted on August 3, 2019

https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-nasa-crewed-dragon-launch-debut-delays/

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Re: Commercial Crew Schedule Analysis
« Reply #830 on: 09/24/2019 04:41 pm »
Crew Dragon In-Flight Abort test FCC STA

Pad LC-39A

Simulated second stage.

Start date: November 23, 2019
End date: May 23, 2020

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_seq=95229&RequestTimeout=1000

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Please explain in the area below why an STA is necessary:

This application uses information from previous grant, 1829-EX-ST-2019. This STA is necessary to authorize launch vehicle communications for SpaceX Mission 1357, a launch from Complex 39a, Kennedy Space Center. The application includes a sub-orbital first stage, and a simulated orbital second stage. Trajectory data shall be provided directly to NTIA, USAF, and NASA. All downrange Earth stations are receive-only. Launch licensing authority is FAA Office of Commercial Space Transportation.
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Re: Commercial Crew Schedule Analysis
« Reply #831 on: 10/03/2019 01:33 pm »
https://twitter.com/Commercial_Crew/status/1179748212963528705

Quote from: NASA Commercial Crew
The @SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket and #CrewDragon spacecraft that will be used for the In-Flight Abort test have arrived at SpaceX facilities in Cape Canaveral, Fla. for preparation ahead of the test!

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Re: Commercial Crew Schedule Analysis
« Reply #833 on: 10/04/2019 08:05 pm »
A slightly more accurate quote

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You know, there is so much trouble I could get in there. So, our tradition is, and I believe it is a good tradition, is we let the companies announce their dates and because I hear so many dates about so many things, I'd be happy to find the latest dates for you. But I can tell you both companies are working very hard. I know that the next month, both SpaceX and Boeing are planning abort tests which is the next step, and then after that we have a Boeing uncrewed flight test, or they call it OFT (Orbital Flight Test) and we have demo 2 which is flying two crew members on the SpaceX crew dragon. Those companies are progressing towards not only completing those vehicles and testing them, but also completing all the analysis and tests to make sure it is safe for crew members to fly. They are working as hard as they can, as quickly as they can, NASA is working closely with them. And so, I can tell you we track it everyday. We talk to them, we talk to the commercial crew program, we talk to Boeing and SpaceX. It's really progressing . The thing I am excited about is testing. Every test is really good even if it doesn't work exactly like we expect, it is still good information. And so all these things are very very positive, they are working very hard and I believe we will see them soon ...... we will find the official dates for you and again you know that those dates might change and as soon as they do, we will let you know.

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Re: Commercial Crew Schedule Analysis
« Reply #834 on: 10/07/2019 02:29 pm »
https://twitter.com/StephenClark1/status/1181213622263074816

Quote from: Stephen Clark
Chris Ferguson, Boeing test pilot and astronaut, says the Starliner spacecraft’s pad abort test is planned in November. The pad abort vehicle will roll to the pad at White Sands in the “very near future,” he says. Pad abort will be followed by uncrewed flight test to ISS.
"Never, never be afraid of the truth." -- Jim Bridenstine

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Re: Commercial Crew Schedule Analysis
« Reply #835 on: 10/07/2019 10:45 pm »
That's a two month slip from their earlier September date, right? (I might have my dates confused.)
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Re: Commercial Crew Schedule Analysis
« Reply #836 on: 10/08/2019 06:43 am »
That's a two month slip from their earlier September date, right? (I might have my dates confused.)

No, it's a one month slip from their earlier October date, which in itself was a one month slip from the prior September date.

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Re: Commercial Crew Schedule Analysis
« Reply #838 on: 10/09/2019 02:31 am »
An article related to the Eric Berger tweet:

It looks like SpaceX is now prioritizing Crew Dragon—which is great for NASA | Ars Technica

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On Tuesday, Musk said both the Falcon 9 rocket and Crew Dragon vehicle that will be used for the in-flight abort test have been shipped to Cape Canaveral, Florida. The hardware must still be configured for the test flight, but he estimated that it will occur toward the end of November or early December.

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"We had to reallocate some resources to speed this up & received great support from Airborne, our parachute supplier," Musk said on Twitter. "I was at their Irvine factory with the SpaceX team on Sat and Sun. We’re focusing on the advanced Mk3 chute, which provides highest safety factor for astronauts."
If we don't continuously lower the cost to access space, how are we ever going to afford to expand humanity out into space?

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Re: Commercial Crew Schedule Analysis
« Reply #839 on: 10/09/2019 08:40 pm »
Boeing, SpaceX press towards commercial crew test flights this year

First two paragraphs:
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LAS CRUCES, N.M. — Boeing expects to carry out a pad abort test for its CST-100 Starliner commercial crew vehicle in early November, followed by an uncrewed orbital flight test in mid-December, a company executive said Oct. 8.

During a panel session of the International Symposium for Personal and Commercial Spaceflight (ISPCS) here, John Mulholland, vice president and program manager for commercial programs for Boeing’s space exploration business unit, said the company was targeting a Dec. 17 launch of its Starliner vehicle on a United Launch Alliance Atlas 5 from Cape Canaveral.

 

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