How does one loose almost 2 Billon US "92 billion rubles ($1.8 billion)" and one noticed when it was happening?
Same basic story just hit other sources.$1.8 billion disappears in Russian space program http://tinyurl.com/m5qnulf"Billions of rubles have been lost in shady transactions. Construction projects are languishing. And important launches are failing." How does one loose almost 2 Billon US "92 billion rubles ($1.8 billion)" and one noticed when it was happening?
Russian space industry 'collapsing' following $1.8bn corruption scandal
"We have uncovered acts of fraud, abuse of authority (and) document forgery. With such a level of moral decay, one should not be surprised at the high accident rate."<snip>The decline of Russia's space industry was summed up by analyst Pavel Luzin, who said: "You can compare it to the fall of the Roman Empire. The Russian space industry is collapsing."
Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin has said that the Roscosmos agency will be abolished
Quote from: Prober on 05/25/2015 09:41 pmSame basic story just hit other sources.$1.8 billion disappears in Russian space program http://tinyurl.com/m5qnulf"Billions of rubles have been lost in shady transactions. Construction projects are languishing. And important launches are failing." How does one loose almost 2 Billon US "92 billion rubles ($1.8 billion)" and one noticed when it was happening?I am sure, that everybody knew (and got their cut of stolen money) - it only became a problem, because of recent rocket failures, which are bad for business and really bad for PR.
Quote from: Rebel44 on 05/26/2015 01:32 pmQuote from: Prober on 05/25/2015 09:41 pmSame basic story just hit other sources.$1.8 billion disappears in Russian space program http://tinyurl.com/m5qnulf"Billions of rubles have been lost in shady transactions. Construction projects are languishing. And important launches are failing." How does one loose almost 2 Billon US "92 billion rubles ($1.8 billion)" and one noticed when it was happening?I am sure, that everybody knew (and got their cut of stolen money) - it only became a problem, because of recent rocket failures, which are bad for business and really bad for PR.This is how oligarchs become billionaires... or vice-versa(pun intended)
QuoteDeputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin has said that the Roscosmos agency will be abolished
Quote from: Rebel44 on 05/26/2015 01:32 pmQuote from: Prober on 05/25/2015 09:41 pmSame basic story just hit other sources.$1.8 billion disappears in Russian space program http://tinyurl.com/m5qnulf"Billions of rubles have been lost in shady transactions. Construction projects are languishing. And important launches are failing." How does one loose almost 2 Billon US "92 billion rubles ($1.8 billion)" and one noticed when it was happening?I am sure, that everybody knew (and got their cut of stolen money) - it only became a problem, because of recent rocket failures, which are bad for business and really bad for PR.Mr. Trampoline man was running the show at that time period. Begs a lot of questions. Wonder what his future is like now?
Quote from: AncientU on 05/26/2015 01:51 pmQuote from: Rebel44 on 05/26/2015 01:32 pmQuote from: Prober on 05/25/2015 09:41 pmSame basic story just hit other sources.$1.8 billion disappears in Russian space program http://tinyurl.com/m5qnulf"Billions of rubles have been lost in shady transactions. Construction projects are languishing. And important launches are failing." How does one loose almost 2 Billon US "92 billion rubles ($1.8 billion)" and one noticed when it was happening?I am sure, that everybody knew (and got their cut of stolen money) - it only became a problem, because of recent rocket failures, which are bad for business and really bad for PR.This is how oligarchs become billionaires... or vice-versa(pun intended)The 2014 Russian Federation budget was about $440 billion. With typical government bureaucratic inefficiencies seen worldwide, it wouldn't be hard for large sums to vanish, especially if it occurred over a period of years.The US spent billions of dollars on construction projects in Afghanistan and Iraq, many of which were never completed. Where did that money go?The difference is that the Roskomos scandal occurred in country by locals. Russian officials will be able to trace the money.
Quote from: RonM on 05/26/2015 02:08 pmQuote from: AncientU on 05/26/2015 01:51 pmQuote from: Rebel44 on 05/26/2015 01:32 pmQuote from: Prober on 05/25/2015 09:41 pmSame basic story just hit other sources.$1.8 billion disappears in Russian space program http://tinyurl.com/m5qnulf"Billions of rubles have been lost in shady transactions. Construction projects are languishing. And important launches are failing." How does one loose almost 2 Billon US "92 billion rubles ($1.8 billion)" and one noticed when it was happening?I am sure, that everybody knew (and got their cut of stolen money) - it only became a problem, because of recent rocket failures, which are bad for business and really bad for PR.This is how oligarchs become billionaires... or vice-versa(pun intended)The 2014 Russian Federation budget was about $440 billion. With typical government bureaucratic inefficiencies seen worldwide, it wouldn't be hard for large sums to vanish, especially if it occurred over a period of years.The US spent billions of dollars on construction projects in Afghanistan and Iraq, many of which were never completed. Where did that money go?The difference is that the Roskomos scandal occurred in country by locals. Russian officials will be able to trace the money.Just because tracing the money might be doable, doesnt mean, that someone will even try - it could lead to other powerfull people - russian politicians and oligarchs have huge influence on police, prosecutors and courts.
Quote from: Rebel44 on 05/26/2015 02:18 pmQuote from: RonM on 05/26/2015 02:08 pmQuote from: AncientU on 05/26/2015 01:51 pmQuote from: Rebel44 on 05/26/2015 01:32 pmQuote from: Prober on 05/25/2015 09:41 pmSame basic story just hit other sources.$1.8 billion disappears in Russian space program http://tinyurl.com/m5qnulf"Billions of rubles have been lost in shady transactions. Construction projects are languishing. And important launches are failing." How does one loose almost 2 Billon US "92 billion rubles ($1.8 billion)" and one noticed when it was happening?I am sure, that everybody knew (and got their cut of stolen money) - it only became a problem, because of recent rocket failures, which are bad for business and really bad for PR.This is how oligarchs become billionaires... or vice-versa(pun intended)The 2014 Russian Federation budget was about $440 billion. With typical government bureaucratic inefficiencies seen worldwide, it wouldn't be hard for large sums to vanish, especially if it occurred over a period of years.The US spent billions of dollars on construction projects in Afghanistan and Iraq, many of which were never completed. Where did that money go?The difference is that the Roskomos scandal occurred in country by locals. Russian officials will be able to trace the money.Just because tracing the money might be doable, doesnt mean, that someone will even try - it could lead to other powerfull people - russian politicians and oligarchs have huge influence on police, prosecutors and courts.The fact that this scandal is being openly discussed indicates to me that people who are out of favor are about to go to prison. I'm sure Putin is unhappy with the Russian space program's various problems.
Heads will roll, no doubt. But will they be the right heads? Probably not.So, who does NASA deal with for crewed missions, if and when they resume?
It is highly doubtful that this means the Russian government is giving up their ambitions in space. Roscosmos may be abolished but it will likely be replaced by something similar but even more centralized. From the outside looking in I would even say that things will look pretty much the same.
Russia's Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin has said that the Roscosmos agency will be abolished and replaced by a state corporation in the second half of 2015.
United Rocket and Space Corp (URSC -- or is there a Russian acronym?) is apparently in control as noted above. Consolidation of this industry under a former KGB official will potentially secure the change needed internally. Hope for the best in external relations...
Quote from: AncientU on 05/27/2015 12:18 pmUnited Rocket and Space Corp (URSC -- or is there a Russian acronym?) is apparently in control as noted above. Consolidation of this industry under a former KGB official will potentially secure the change needed internally. Hope for the best in external relations...ОРКК: http://www.rosorkk.ru/
Shocked..! Shocked I am..!