Quote from: QuantumG on 04/07/2015 12:17 amQuote from: Coastal Ron on 04/06/2015 11:49 pmHowever if NASA uses the "car rental" model for Commercial Crew, they will control who gets access to any excess seats, not SpaceX or Boeing. And I would think it's unlikely that NASA would sell seats to tourists.For good or bad, I don't see Roscosmos having any competition for flying tourists to the ISS.That doesn't actually matter. If there is a US vehicle flying then US tourists will want seats on it and they will be less inclined to go through all the years of pain that are involved in flying with the Russians.Just to make sure I understand, you're thinking that NASA will eventually be pressured into selling tourist flights?
Quote from: Coastal Ron on 04/06/2015 11:49 pmHowever if NASA uses the "car rental" model for Commercial Crew, they will control who gets access to any excess seats, not SpaceX or Boeing. And I would think it's unlikely that NASA would sell seats to tourists.For good or bad, I don't see Roscosmos having any competition for flying tourists to the ISS.That doesn't actually matter. If there is a US vehicle flying then US tourists will want seats on it and they will be less inclined to go through all the years of pain that are involved in flying with the Russians.
However if NASA uses the "car rental" model for Commercial Crew, they will control who gets access to any excess seats, not SpaceX or Boeing. And I would think it's unlikely that NASA would sell seats to tourists.For good or bad, I don't see Roscosmos having any competition for flying tourists to the ISS.
Quote from: Jimmy Murdok on 03/31/2015 07:09 amSure, but what you have now in the ISS is not "cool". Fly in an old soyuz to stay in the noisy russian segment of ISS surounded by working astronauts is not "holidays", is not Kubric's dream (even in this forum we would kill for it). Once you are able to work the dream of going to space with your partner, in a regular service Dragon to the new cool Bigelow Space Hotel with private rooms, a welcome with a zero G Moët Chandon... enough space to float around and have sex in space in a kind of luxury envoironment---> then is when you will see a line of rich people ready to pay to go to space. What you have now is like Jacques Piccard or Amundsen: extreme stuff to say yes I was one of the first ones to break the frontier but is not real tourism, is extreme one.I'm new here. Is the sex in space included with the launch & stay fee?What happens in orbit stays in orbit!
Sure, but what you have now in the ISS is not "cool". Fly in an old soyuz to stay in the noisy russian segment of ISS surounded by working astronauts is not "holidays", is not Kubric's dream (even in this forum we would kill for it). Once you are able to work the dream of going to space with your partner, in a regular service Dragon to the new cool Bigelow Space Hotel with private rooms, a welcome with a zero G Moët Chandon... enough space to float around and have sex in space in a kind of luxury envoironment---> then is when you will see a line of rich people ready to pay to go to space. What you have now is like Jacques Piccard or Amundsen: extreme stuff to say yes I was one of the first ones to break the frontier but is not real tourism, is extreme one.
Quote from: Coastal Ron on 04/07/2015 01:39 amQuote from: QuantumG on 04/07/2015 12:17 amQuote from: Coastal Ron on 04/06/2015 11:49 pmHowever if NASA uses the "car rental" model for Commercial Crew, they will control who gets access to any excess seats, not SpaceX or Boeing. And I would think it's unlikely that NASA would sell seats to tourists.For good or bad, I don't see Roscosmos having any competition for flying tourists to the ISS.That doesn't actually matter. If there is a US vehicle flying then US tourists will want seats on it and they will be less inclined to go through all the years of pain that are involved in flying with the Russians.Just to make sure I understand, you're thinking that NASA will eventually be pressured into selling tourist flights?NASA/USG already 'sold' a seat to a tourist... just happened to be an x-astro and senator who 'helped' the administration a bit. Just a matter of price... and everyone has his/her price.
Quote from: Coastal Ron on 04/07/2015 06:20 amWhile all of that may be true, and it sounds like it's a real "customer pain" in business terms, how is that NASA's problem to fix?Who said it was?
While all of that may be true, and it sounds like it's a real "customer pain" in business terms, how is that NASA's problem to fix?
If there is a US vehicle flying then US tourists will want seats on it and they will be less inclined to go through all the years of pain that are involved in flying with the Russians. Commercial Crew actually flying will have multiple reinforcing effects that will drive down the price of Soyuz seats.
As of now Commercial Crew is only a reality for NASA, hence my assumption that you meant NASA.Unless you're assuming that tourists will be buying rides to Bigelow stations? Of course that would depend on the customer using the Bigelow station at the time, as not every customer may want to bother with tourists.Or are you thinking that Space Adventures will book their own Commercial Crew flight to a Bigelow station?
This seems to be the appropriate thread for this; Dragon 2 and a BA-330 station in LEO.
Quote from: okan170 on 04/25/2015 10:00 pmThis seems to be the appropriate thread for this; Dragon 2 and a BA-330 station in LEO.Great as always. Thanks Nathan!!!Haven't seen that black and white pattern before... Artistic license or is this the plan?
Quote from: AncientU on 04/25/2015 11:18 pmQuote from: okan170 on 04/25/2015 10:00 pmThis seems to be the appropriate thread for this; Dragon 2 and a BA-330 station in LEO.Great as always. Thanks Nathan!!!Haven't seen that black and white pattern before... Artistic license or is this the plan?In this case, I put on the surfacing that was shown on the one of the more recent BEAM-event models; it looks like some sort of reflective material and we're catching it reflecting a lot of space. I have no idea if that is the current favored design or if its smaller strips like in some other imagery.
Where's the Dragon's nose cap?
What are the dimensions of an un-inflated 330 module? Since they weigh 20 tons, could two of these be launched from a Falcon heavy? Or would one and some type of multiple docking module/extra solar panels be added? Could a 330 and some type of docking module be loaded on one launch?
Quote from: spacenut on 04/29/2015 08:16 pmWhat are the dimensions of an un-inflated 330 module? Since they weigh 20 tons, could two of these be launched from a Falcon heavy? Or would one and some type of multiple docking module/extra solar panels be added? Could a 330 and some type of docking module be loaded on one launch? The current Falcon 9 fairing is 13.1m (43 ft) height, 5.2m (17.1 ft) diameter.
Quote from: Norm Hartnett on 04/30/2015 02:17 amQuote from: spacenut on 04/29/2015 08:16 pmWhat are the dimensions of an un-inflated 330 module? Since they weigh 20 tons, could two of these be launched from a Falcon heavy? Or would one and some type of multiple docking module/extra solar panels be added? Could a 330 and some type of docking module be loaded on one launch? The current Falcon 9 fairing is 13.1m (43 ft) height, 5.2m (17.1 ft) diameter.The standard SpaceX PLF got an internal geometry of 4.6m (181 inches) in diameter with a height of 6.6m (261 inches) plus a conical space of 4.8m (199 inches) high on top.So if the BA-330 got an un-inflated external diameter of 5.02m (16.5ft) than you need a bigger PLF.
Quote from: Zed_Noir on 04/30/2015 06:02 amQuote from: Norm Hartnett on 04/30/2015 02:17 amQuote from: spacenut on 04/29/2015 08:16 pmWhat are the dimensions of an un-inflated 330 module? Since they weigh 20 tons, could two of these be launched from a Falcon heavy? Or would one and some type of multiple docking module/extra solar panels be added? Could a 330 and some type of docking module be loaded on one launch? The current Falcon 9 fairing is 13.1m (43 ft) height, 5.2m (17.1 ft) diameter.The standard SpaceX PLF got an internal geometry of 4.6m (181 inches) in diameter with a height of 6.6m (261 inches) plus a conical space of 4.8m (199 inches) high on top.So if the BA-330 got an un-inflated external diameter of 5.02m (16.5ft) than you need a bigger PLF.Yes, and this has been planned for a while now, for debut in 2016 or 2017 IIRC.
