Author Topic: FKP-2025 (Read 14377 times)

Nicolas PILLET · « **on:** 01/24/2015 10:02 pm »

The federal space program for next decade should be issued this year. I've found a document with recommandantions.

Stan Black · « **Reply #1 on:** 01/25/2015 06:27 am »

Also available here:-
http://www.spacetp.ru/docs/detail.php?ID=848

Stan Black · « **Reply #2 on:** 01/25/2015 11:48 am »

One thing that is already different is the transition to replacement programmes like Gonets-M to Gonets-M1, Resurs-P to Resurs-PM, Elektro-L to Elektro-M, Meteor-M to Meteor-MP…

fregate · « **Reply #3 on:** 01/26/2015 09:11 am »

I am afraid we must wait till May - after announcement of ROSKOSMOS state corporation dust should be able to settled

Prof68 · « **Reply #4 on:** 01/27/2015 06:28 am »

Quote from: fregate on 01/26/2015 09:11 am

I am afraid we must wait till May - after announcement of ROSKOSMOS state corporation dust should be able to settled

fairy dust?

russianhalo117 · « **Reply #5 on:** 01/28/2015 07:56 pm »

Quote from: Prof68 on 01/27/2015 06:28 am

Quote from: fregate on 01/26/2015 09:11 am
I am afraid we must wait till May - after announcement of ROSKOSMOS state corporation dust should be able to settled
fairy dust?

merger/incorporation dusts

savuporo · « **Reply #6 on:** 08/04/2015 02:56 pm »

English overview/summary articles about what came out of this

http://www.ato.ru/content/russia-saving-space-research
http://spacedigest.net/en/articles/what-roscosmos-showed-and-said-during-the-paris-air-show

( EDIT : btw spacedigest.net seems to be an english translation version of the excellent http://www.ebull.ru/ )

fregate · « **Reply #7 on:** 08/15/2015 04:55 am »

Article from Izvestia newspaper (Aug 2015) by Ivan Cheberko http://izvestia.ru/news/589945
Manned Lunar landing deferred to later date by Roscosmos
In brief: due to budget sequester measures previous announcements to safely land Russian cosmonauts on the Moon till 2030 simply unachievable according to experts who wrote FKP 2016-2025. R&D Program PPTK-2 (Prospective Manned Space Transportation System) is underfunded (budget cut in half) and lack of funding would delay development of key hardware component - Lunar Lander (LPVK - Lunar Descending/Ascending Module) for at least for 3-4 years.
Cut down budget for PPTK-2 R&D Program still a whopping RUB 20.8 billion (~ US $320.31 million) to be spend in 2016-2025.
Lunar Module should be capable to safely land a crew of 4 cosmonauts and return them back to lunar orbit for rendezvous with Lunar Orbital spacecraft PTK-L or Lunar Orbital station. Time to stay on Lunar surface - up to 14 days.

savuporo · « **Reply #8 on:** 11/05/2015 12:50 am »

So what exactly is the state of FKP formulation right now ?
There was a series of recent press mentions about program being all almost ready, and all parties in agreement. Remains to be submitted in final form and approved ?

http://putininfo.com/8331256-utverzhdenie-federalnoj-kosmicheskoj-programmy-rossii-na-2016-2025-gody/
"Предполагаем, что это произойдёт в конце октября — начале ноября " - we think its going to happen end of october, early november.

Apparently there are three versions now submitted with different price tags - a 15% and 25% budget cut versions.
http://tass.ru/kosmos/2405364
Komarov is saying that the entire industry is having severe financial issues and the problems are getting worse, including at Krunichev, TsENKI and other institutions. With a likely cut in the FKP and specifically in 2016 things are apparently going downhill faster.

When does this plan get approved ?

B. Hendrickx · « **Reply #9 on:** 01/20/2016 09:14 pm »

Several reports in the Russian press today about the effects of budget cuts on the Federal Space Program
2016-2025. Nicely summarized here with analysis (in Russian) :

http://www.vz.ru/society/2016/1/20/789565.html

- manned lunar flights delayed beyond 2035
- no funding for a rocket with a flyback booster
- just one instead of two Angara pads at Vostochnyy
- no funding for developing asteroid protection technology
- funds for modernizing Mission Control outside Moscow cut nearly in half

fregate · « **Reply #10 on:** 01/20/2016 11:05 pm »

Quote from: savuporo on 11/05/2015 12:50 am

So what exactly is the state of FKP formulation right now ?
There was a series of recent press mentions about program being all almost ready, and all parties in agreement. Remains to be submitted in final form and approved ?

http://putininfo.com/8331256-utverzhdenie-federalnoj-kosmicheskoj-programmy-rossii-na-2016-2025-gody/
"Предполагаем, что это произойдёт в конце октября — начале ноября " - we think its going to happen end of october, early november.

Apparently there are three versions now submitted with different price tags - a 15% and 25% budget cut versions.
http://tass.ru/kosmos/2405364
Komarov is saying that the entire industry is having severe financial issues and the problems are getting worse, including at Krunichev, TsENKI and other institutions. With a likely cut in the FKP and specifically in 2016 things are apparently going downhill faster.

When does this plan get approved ?

Draft of FSP 2016-2025 would be submitted in next few weeks and should be approved by Russian Government till March 2016.

Danderman · « **Reply #11 on:** 01/21/2016 03:55 pm »

Russia Delays New Space Program Plan Until March

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russia-delays-new-space-program-plan-until-march/556386.html

The Russian government will finalize and adopt a long-delayed draft of Russia's national space policy setting objectives and allocating project funding through 2025 by the end of March, the head of the Roscosmos state space corporation, Igor Komarov, told reporters Wednesday.

Komarov made the announcement while touring the construction site of Russia's new $3 billion space launch facility, Vostochny, in the Amur region of Russia's Far East, the TASS news agency reported.

The Federal Space Program for 2016-2025 was expected to be finalized last year. However, an economic slump and sharp devaluation of the ruble forced several rewrites.

According to the most recent version, Roscosmos hopes to receive 1.4 trillion rubles ($17.5 billion) in space over the next decade — down from 3.4 trillion rubles ($42.5 billion) in the original plan.

fregate · « **Reply #12 on:** 01/21/2016 11:05 pm »

Quote from: Danderman on 01/21/2016 03:55 pm

Russia Delays New Space Program Plan Until March

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russia-delays-new-space-program-plan-until-march/556386.html

The Russian government will finalize and adopt a long-delayed draft of Russia's national space policy setting objectives and allocating project funding through 2025 by the end of March, the head of the Roscosmos state space corporation, Igor Komarov, told reporters Wednesday.

Komarov made the announcement while touring the construction site of Russia's new $3 billion space launch facility, Vostochny, in the Amur region of Russia's Far East, the TASS news agency reported.

The Federal Space Program for 2016-2025 was expected to be finalized last year. However, an economic slump and sharp devaluation of the ruble forced several rewrites.

According to the most recent version, Roscosmos hopes to receive 1.4 trillion rubles ($17.5 billion) in space over the next decade — down from 3.4 trillion rubles ($42.5 billion) in the original plan.

Down from 2.4 trillion rubles in the original plan, however there is an option for conditional funding of 115 billion rubles that might be provided after 2021.
More Details http://tass.ru/kosmos/2607825

Stan Black · « **Reply #13 on:** 03/21/2016 09:15 am »

Posted by Большой over on N.K. forum
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum14/topic14543/message1489162/#message1489162

MATTBLAK · « **Reply #14 on:** 03/21/2016 09:58 am »

Budget cuts and lack of leadership will be the historical legacy of this period

Russia's space program and the people who work it are bursting at the seams with talent, ideas and most of all; experience. But they are hogtied, as NASA has been from time to time. I'd hate to see leadership in space surrendered to say, China for the rest of the century. I have absolutely nothing against China when it comes to space! More power and luck to them there. But the trouble is, they are in absolutely no hurry to do anything!! It's is frustrating to watch as a slowly melting glacier.

savuporo · « **Reply #15 on:** 03/21/2016 06:24 pm »

Quote from: MATTBLAK on 03/21/2016 09:58 am

Russia's space program and the people who work it are bursting at the seams with talent, ideas and most of all; experience.

Not sure about the latter. After Phobos-Grunt, there was enough blame of all sorts to go around, but one of the things that was pointed out is that Russia does not actually have any recent, relevant experience running deep space missions anymore.
Chinese are in a better shape in that regard, thanks to the success of Chang'e series.

EDIT: Note, Luna-glob is shown as 2019 in the table. KVTK powered launches are all notional from what it seems, including Luna-Grunt

Steven Pietrobon · « **Reply #16 on:** 03/22/2016 04:35 am »

That list says that there is one Progress M-M (presumable M-30M 430) on Soyuz-U, one Progress MS on Soyuz-U and one Progress MS on Soyuz-2.1a in 2016. However, the Russian Manifest has three Progress MS on Soyuz 2.1a in 2016. Which is correct?

GClark · « **Reply #17 on:** 03/22/2016 11:43 am »

Some help here please...my Google-fu is weak.

What do the light-green(ish) and yellow blocks indicate?

asmi · « **Reply #18 on:** 03/22/2016 11:48 am »

Quote from: GClark on 03/22/2016 11:43 am

Some help here please...my Google-fu is weak.

What do the light-green(ish) and yellow blocks indicate?

Green seems to mean "production" flights (using well-established mass-produced hardware), while yellow are essentially test-flights of new hardware.

schaban · « **Reply #19 on:** 03/22/2016 11:51 am »

Yellow from Vostochnyj
Green in production (series)