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#100
by
AncientU
on 26 Jan, 2015 18:10
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Presser over.
What did we learn?
That Mr Bolden is terribly keen about getting to Mars.
Isn't the quoted
1 2024 date by Bolden a decade earlier than previous plans (the ones that costed around $500B). SLS will only be just flying second(?) crewed mission by then.
1 http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=36618.msg1321373#msg1321373After a question on the far-future of commercial LEO progress...a very far-reaching futurist question, Bolden stepped in to cite the Mars mission goal, emphasizing a 2024 benchmark to get there.
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#101
by
AncientU
on 26 Jan, 2015 18:12
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Houston Chronicle: When will NASA pick first provider?
Lueders: First mission Authority To Proceed will be Boeing mission.
Can someone who can parse NASA-ese better than I confirm this means NASA has already chosen Boeing for the first crewed mission? It seems really early for this choice, if so. I suppose such a decision is non-binding if Boeing were to encounter significant delays.
I caught that too and for the life of me it makes no sense at all for Boeing to be the 1st crew provider if SpaceX is ready to rotate a crew to the ISS a full year before them. That is just plain pure unadulterated popy-cock!
Whoever is ready first should fly first - period. I don't really care which one it is. Sounds to me like some people from Boeing and some people from NASA went into a smoky room and closed the doors and then 2 hours later came out with a "deal".
Same for the CST100 flying cargo...
Lueders: Confirmed that Boeing will also have uncrewed cargo flights along with SpaceX.
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=36618.msg1321341#msg1321341
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#102
by
kevinof
on 26 Jan, 2015 18:14
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Is there anything (apart from technical) that prevents Space X from flying their own crew on test flights prior to any Nasa requested one. Obviously not to the ISS but if you successfully fly a couple of un-manned test fights why not stick a crew on one and go?
Great bragging right!
Houston Chronicle: When will NASA pick first provider?
Lueders: First mission Authority To Proceed will be Boeing mission.
Can someone who can parse NASA-ese better than I confirm this means NASA has already chosen Boeing for the first crewed mission? It seems really early for this choice, if so. I suppose such a decision is non-binding if Boeing were to encounter significant delays.
I caught that too and for the life of me it makes no sense at all for Boeing to be the 1st crew provider if SpaceX is ready to rotate a crew to the ISS a full year before them. That is just plain pure unadulterated popy-cock!
Whoever is ready first should fly first - period. I don't really care which one it is. Sounds to me like some people from Boeing and some people from NASA went into a smoky room and closed the doors and then 2 hours later came out with a "deal". I won't go into my suspected details.
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#103
by
yg1968
on 26 Jan, 2015 18:16
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Is there anything (apart from technical) that prevents Space X from flying their own crew on test flights prior to any Nasa requested one. Obviously not to the ISS but if you successfully fly a couple of un-manned test fights why not stick a crew on one and go?
Great bragging right!
They could but they won't. They would rather get paid by NASA. The authority to proceed for the first post-certification mission is unrelated to who flys the first crewed test flight.
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#104
by
arachnitect
on 26 Jan, 2015 18:21
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Houston Chronicle: When will NASA pick first provider?
Lueders: First mission Authority To Proceed will be Boeing mission.
Can someone who can parse NASA-ese better than I confirm this means NASA has already chosen Boeing for the first crewed mission? It seems really early for this choice, if so. I suppose such a decision is non-binding if Boeing were to encounter significant delays.
I caught that too and for the life of me it makes no sense at all for Boeing to be the 1st crew provider if SpaceX is ready to rotate a crew to the ISS a full year before them. That is just plain pure unadulterated popy-cock!
Whoever is ready first should fly first - period. I don't really care which one it is. Sounds to me like some people from Boeing and some people from NASA went into a smoky room and closed the doors and then 2 hours later came out with a "deal".
Same for the CST100 flying cargo...
Lueders: Confirmed that Boeing will also have uncrewed cargo flights along with SpaceX.
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=36618.msg1321341#msg1321341
I think there's some confusion here. Nobody said anything about CRS-2 that I recall. Lueders said something about the uncrewed test flight both providers are doing, then shortly after that she was talking about the powered lockers that will fly on crew rotation missions.
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#105
by
Lars-J
on 26 Jan, 2015 18:22
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Can someone who can parse NASA-ese better than I confirm this means NASA has already chosen Boeing for the first crewed mission? It seems really early for this choice, if so. I suppose such a decision is non-binding if Boeing were to encounter significant delays.
I caught that too and for the life of me it makes no sense at all for Boeing to be the 1st crew provider if SpaceX is ready to rotate a crew to the ISS a full year before them. That is just plain pure unadulterated popy-cock!
Whoever is ready first should fly first - period. I don't really care which one it is. Sounds to me like some people from Boeing and some people from NASA went into a smoky room and closed the doors and then 2 hours later came out with a "deal".
Same for the CST100 flying cargo...
Yep. Boeing and contracts announcement (CRS2) - who needs 'em? Boeing doesn't seem to think it is needed, and NASA doesn't seem to be doing anything to prove them wrong. All they need to do is show up and NASA will give them the first flight. It is their birthright!
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#106
by
arachnitect
on 26 Jan, 2015 18:31
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Houston Chronicle: When will NASA pick first provider?
Lueders: First mission Authority To Proceed will be Boeing mission.
Can someone who can parse NASA-ese better than I confirm this means NASA has already chosen Boeing for the first crewed mission? It seems really early for this choice, if so. I suppose such a decision is non-binding if Boeing were to encounter significant delays.
I caught that too and for the life of me it makes no sense at all for Boeing to be the 1st crew provider if SpaceX is ready to rotate a crew to the ISS a full year before them. That is just plain pure unadulterated popy-cock! Whoever is ready first should fly first - period. I don't really care which one it is.
Boeing asked for a longer PCM lead time in their proposal so they get the first order. Spacex can still beat them to station on certification missions and perhaps even the first operational mission as well.
It's not a big deal.
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#107
by
arachnitect
on 26 Jan, 2015 18:36
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Can someone who can parse NASA-ese better than I confirm this means NASA has already chosen Boeing for the first crewed mission? It seems really early for this choice, if so. I suppose such a decision is non-binding if Boeing were to encounter significant delays.
I caught that too and for the life of me it makes no sense at all for Boeing to be the 1st crew provider if SpaceX is ready to rotate a crew to the ISS a full year before them. That is just plain pure unadulterated popy-cock!
Whoever is ready first should fly first - period. I don't really care which one it is. Sounds to me like some people from Boeing and some people from NASA went into a smoky room and closed the doors and then 2 hours later came out with a "deal".
Same for the CST100 flying cargo...
Yep. Boeing and contracts announcement (CRS2) - who needs 'em? Boeing doesn't seem to think it is needed, and NASA doesn't seem to be doing anything to prove them wrong. All they need to do is show up and NASA will give them the first flight. It is their birthright!
Give me the exact quote that I missed about Boeing getting uncrewed cargo missions.
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#108
by
yg1968
on 26 Jan, 2015 18:39
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Can someone who can parse NASA-ese better than I confirm this means NASA has already chosen Boeing for the first crewed mission? It seems really early for this choice, if so. I suppose such a decision is non-binding if Boeing were to encounter significant delays.
I caught that too and for the life of me it makes no sense at all for Boeing to be the 1st crew provider if SpaceX is ready to rotate a crew to the ISS a full year before them. That is just plain pure unadulterated popy-cock!
Whoever is ready first should fly first - period. I don't really care which one it is. Sounds to me like some people from Boeing and some people from NASA went into a smoky room and closed the doors and then 2 hours later came out with a "deal".
Same for the CST100 flying cargo...
Yep. Boeing and contracts announcement (CRS2) - who needs 'em? Boeing doesn't seem to think it is needed, and NASA doesn't seem to be doing anything to prove them wrong. All they need to do is show up and NASA will give them the first flight. It is their birthright!
Give me the exact quote that I missed about Boeing getting uncrewed cargo missions.
There is no such quote and even if there was, it would be wrong. CRS2 hasn't been awarded.
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#109
by
Chris Bergin
on 26 Jan, 2015 18:41
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#110
by
Burninate
on 26 Jan, 2015 18:53
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Use this timestamp to find the correct quote:
Lueders: Confirmed that Boeing will also have uncrewed cargo flights along with SpaceX.
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#111
by
Lars-J
on 26 Jan, 2015 18:54
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Can someone who can parse NASA-ese better than I confirm this means NASA has already chosen Boeing for the first crewed mission? It seems really early for this choice, if so. I suppose such a decision is non-binding if Boeing were to encounter significant delays.
I caught that too and for the life of me it makes no sense at all for Boeing to be the 1st crew provider if SpaceX is ready to rotate a crew to the ISS a full year before them. That is just plain pure unadulterated popy-cock!
Whoever is ready first should fly first - period. I don't really care which one it is. Sounds to me like some people from Boeing and some people from NASA went into a smoky room and closed the doors and then 2 hours later came out with a "deal".
Same for the CST100 flying cargo...
Yep. Boeing and contracts announcement (CRS2) - who needs 'em? Boeing doesn't seem to think it is needed, and NASA doesn't seem to be doing anything to prove them wrong. All they need to do is show up and NASA will give them the first flight. It is their birthright!
Give me the exact quote that I missed about Boeing getting uncrewed cargo missions.
I was mistaken about this being CRS2 related - it seems to be an unmanned test flight used for cargo? But it still makes CRS2 a mere formality for them. NASA will jump at whatever price they offer.
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#112
by
Star One
on 26 Jan, 2015 19:03
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#113
by
MattMason
on 26 Jan, 2015 19:06
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Presser over.
What did we learn?
I heard
Bigelow.
I'm repeating myself (here and on the Bigelow thread) but Bolden spoke of Bigelow modules for a future ISS rather excitedly.
The guys at the shop must have a very big grin on their faces. They have two test articles that have weathered 5 years of space without popping. BEAM will seal the deal, so to speak, if Bolden is to be believed.
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#114
by
mtakala24
on 26 Jan, 2015 19:07
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I didn't get how CRS2 was mixed in to this briefing. I heard only that they will *also* fly some cargo with the crewed flights, and that NASA has given them 4 crew + x amount of cargo -mission to do.
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#115
by
yg1968
on 26 Jan, 2015 19:13
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Use this timestamp to find the correct quote:
Lueders: Confirmed that Boeing will also have uncrewed cargo flights along with SpaceX.
It's at 19m:07s of the Youtube video (see link in the post below) and she said that each company would have an "uncrewed and a crewed [test] mission to the ISS". I am surprised that the uncrewed test flight is going to the ISS but that is what she said.
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#116
by
yg1968
on 26 Jan, 2015 19:16
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Archived video of the press conference is now on YouTube:
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#117
by
abaddon
on 26 Jan, 2015 19:39
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I can't see them being allowed to use a recycled core for that test.
You mean the test that Boeing isn't doing at all? That test?
I was speaking in relation to Space X.
You're saying NASA won't let SpaceX use a re-used core (not that they're going to anyway) to accomplish a test that Boeing isn't even doing. This is clearly not correct.
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#118
by
abaddon
on 26 Jan, 2015 19:43
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I was mistaken about this being CRS2 related - it seems to be an unmanned test flight used for cargo? But it still makes CRS2 a mere formality for them. NASA will jump at whatever price they offer.
Maybe all they're saying is that the uncrewed test flights (one from each provider) will take up cargo, in which case, this is much ado about nothing, since the crewed flights will also take up cargo.
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#119
by
abaddon
on 26 Jan, 2015 19:44
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I am surprised that the uncrewed test flight is going to the ISS but that is what she said.
You don't want to prove ISS docking works before sending up astros? Really?
