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#20 by astrobrian on 06 Aug, 2006 14:33
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Either way the CEV costs could be channeled more towards the lunar aspect rather that LEO
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#21 by Propforce on 06 Aug, 2006 17:06
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What would be nice is if Lockheed would sic the Skunk Works on the second stage. Not only get the weight down, but make it recoverable... do like SASSTO and work on making it into a complete launch vehicle in it's own right.... drooooollll.........
Skunk Works people don't know much about how to design a launch vehicle, just look at the X-33.
You'll need the Denver people to do the job.
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#22 by Inthemix on 07 Aug, 2006 05:46
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*grumble, grumble*
Two years now and Denver's only nibbled at the bait at the end of my line. Been nearly a month since I applied for the latest position with no contact. I'm hoping that they're just too busy to answer emails.
Well, congrats anyway. Hope to see you in person.
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#23 by Propforce on 08 Aug, 2006 06:02
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*grumble, grumble*
Two years now and Denver's only nibbled at the bait at the end of my line. Been nearly a month since I applied for the latest position with no contact. I'm hoping that they're just too busy to answer emails.
Denver? Listen buddy, if you're interested in a CEV job you'll need to apply to Houston. It doesn't matter WHO wins the CEV contract (LM or NG/BA), most of the CEV jobs will be in Houston.
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#24 by vt_hokie on 08 Aug, 2006 06:48
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Denver? Listen buddy, if you're interested in a CEV job you'll need to apply to Houston. It doesn't matter WHO wins the CEV contract (LM or NG/BA), most of the CEV jobs will be in Houston.
If only they hadn't killed the Texas TGV! I don't think I could live in a state that lacks high speed trains!
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#25 by Chris Bergin on 08 Aug, 2006 14:03
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What would be nice is if Lockheed would sic the Skunk Works on the second stage. Not only get the weight down, but make it recoverable... do like SASSTO and work on making it into a complete launch vehicle in it's own right.... drooooollll.........
Skunk Works people don't know much about how to design a launch vehicle, just look at the X-33.
You'll need the Denver people to do the job.
An excuse to post an image of the X-33 being built at the Skunkworks. Used to go to an internet cafe after school to see this being built via the webcam...........little was I to know
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#26 by Inthemix on 09 Aug, 2006 06:22
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Propforce - 7/8/2006 10:49 PM
Denver? Listen buddy, if you're interested in a CEV job you'll need to apply to Houston. It doesn't matter WHO wins the CEV contract (LM or NG/BA), most of the CEV jobs will be in Houston.
Oh, no question that the majority of the jobs are in Houston. Great, now you've got me curious about the actual numbers and I have to find out.
Okay, as of 8/8/2006 10:59PM Pacific, Lockheed's CEV job openings are:
Any Job, CEV keyword, & Texas @ 144
Any Job, CEV keyword, & Colorado @ 172
Total: CEV keyword alone @ 331 (some LA and FL jobs make the remainder)
That didn't quite turn out the way I thought, or how you'd suggested. Maybe they're finding it easier to fill the TX jobs? Maybe has more skilled unemployed?
I see a lot of the TX jobs are with the Space Operations company and offer no relocation allowance. The Space Systems Company are offering negotiable relocation. So, that doesn't quite make sense to me. Personally, I'd prefer Denver over Houston, but maybe I'm in the minority. Guess its just who and where you want to work for. -
#27 by Inthemix on 09 Aug, 2006 06:47
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Okay, now I'm waaaay too curious. Decided to do Northrop and Boeing, too.
Northrop: 116 CEV positions.
CA: 82
TX: 33
Boeing: 52 CEV positions.
AL: 3
TX: 49
Combined: 168, 82 in TX, 85 elsewhere.
So, looks like Boeing would be big in TX, should that team win, but they'll be balanced out by NG.
Very interesting. Was all the talk about all the work to be done in Texas just lip service? Only thing I can think of is that they've filled a lot more Texas positions (both teams, mind you) and that's why the numbers don't look right.
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#28 by Propforce on 09 Aug, 2006 17:39
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Okay, as of 8/8/2006 10:59PM Pacific, Lockheed's CEV job openings are:
Any Job, CEV keyword, & Texas @ 144
Any Job, CEV keyword, & Colorado @ 172
Total: CEV keyword alone @ 331 (some LA and FL jobs make the remainder)
That didn't quite turn out the way I thought, or how you'd suggested. Maybe they're finding it easier to fill the TX jobs? Maybe has more skilled unemployed?
I see a lot of the TX jobs are with the Space Operations company and offer no relocation allowance. The Space Systems Company are offering negotiable relocation. So, that doesn't quite make sense to me. Personally, I'd prefer Denver over Houston, but maybe I'm in the minority. Guess its just who and where you want to work for.
This is a snap shot in time with the current open requisitions. I'd suspect all req's have a "contingent upon contract award..." blah blah, etc. as well. The 'rumor' I've heard is there will be approx. 1,000 openings for CEV in Houston, which mostly will be Program/ Project management, systems engineering,... etc. Many will transfer from existing shuttle support contract to CEV, or move from one contractor to the CEV winning contractor (LM, NG, etc.), but if you can get in early maybe you'll get to pick your job.
Personally, if I have to choose, I'd choose Denver over Houston myself unless I have trouble breathing low density air or paying heating bill in the winter time...
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#29 by Inthemix on 10 Aug, 2006 05:23
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Propforce - 9/8/2006 10:26 AM
This is a snap shot in time with the current open requisitions. I'd suspect all req's have a "contingent upon contract award..." blah blah, etc. as well. The 'rumor' I've heard is there will be approx. 1,000 openings for CEV in Houston, which mostly will be Program/ Project management, systems engineering,... etc. Many will transfer from existing shuttle support contract to CEV, or move from one contractor to the CEV winning contractor (LM, NG, etc.), but if you can get in early maybe you'll get to pick your job.
Oh, they are all "contingent" and I understood about it being a snapshot. I suppose they might try for the most critical spots first, thus expending only the minimum amount before one team gets the green light, which would explain the low number of positions currently open.
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#30 by Jim on 10 Aug, 2006 11:07
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One would have to quit USA to be a member of LM or NG CEV team
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#31 by Jim on 10 Aug, 2006 11:16
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I see a lot of the TX jobs are with the Space Operations company and offer no relocation allowance. The Space Systems Company are offering negotiable relocation.
Space Systems Company is a real division of LM. Space Operations Company is a virual company (division)that only provides people, it has no assets or facilities or R&D. This is so the overhead that it charges is lower than the parent company. Space Operations only exists to serve the contract.
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#32 by Framis on 12 Aug, 2006 00:48
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A couple of points:
- counting requisitions gets you only part of the picture. One requisition (i.e. Engineer 2) might be for 1 job or for 5 jobs or 50 jobs.
- there are lots of jobs at the subs, only a few of which have shown up yet.
- the small business quotas will also need to be filled.
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#33 by pierogoletto on 13 Aug, 2006 19:24
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Wish you all the best
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#34 by publiusr on 18 Aug, 2006 20:13
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Good luck!
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#35 by AtomicDog on 31 Aug, 2006 20:58
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Congratulations!
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#36 by spacedreams on 31 Aug, 2006 21:41
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Jim - 10/8/2006 3:54 AM One would have to quit USA to be a member of LM or NG CEV team
Actually, it is technically a transfer between USA and either Boeing or Lockheed. I know a girl from here who just moved from USA out to Boeing in California and she said it was handled as a transfer and she got to keep her seniority, vacation, vesting, everything. In fact most of the USA folks around here now are talking about looking into moving to mother Lockheed to get the %&^%^$*%$ out of Houston. They seem to be very excited! In fact, I think I may be seriously looking that way as well.
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#37 by Jim on 31 Aug, 2006 23:47
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'QuoteJim - 10/8/2006 3:54 AM One would have to quit USA to be a member of LM or NG CEV team
Actually, it is technically a transfer between USA and either Boeing or Lockheed. I know a girl from here who just moved from USA out to Boeing in California and she said it was handled as a transfer and she got to keep her seniority, vacation, vesting, everything. In fact most of the USA folks around here now are talking about looking into moving to mother Lockheed to get the %&^%^$*%$ out of Houston. They seem to be very excited! In fact, I think I may be seriously looking that way as well.
Not always. ULA is being treated differently also
