Author Topic: SpaceX Falcon 9 : Es’hail-2 : Nov 15, 2018 : KSC 39A - DISCUSSION  (Read 60774 times)

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A few notes for trajectory geeks.  Seemed like a lower than previous parking orbit - 165 km at seco-1, 188 km at seco-2.  Second stage should re-enter quickly.

Second stage second cutoff at 34356 km/hr = 9849 m/s.  Add 402 m/s for Earth rotation, so 10251 m/s.  This is almost exactly what they need for a GTO apogee, so neither sub nor super synchronous.

Last question is inclination.  This payload was supposed to be about 3000 kg.  The slightly heavier Bangabandhu (3700 kg) got down to a 19.3 degree inclination.  This should do better.  A quick guess shows reducing the mass from 3700 kg to 3000 kg should give an extra 80 m/s.  With this, SpaceX should be able to reduce the inclination to 18.4 degrees.

So final prediction 188 x 36000 km, inclined 18.4o, deficit 1640 m/s to GEO.

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A few notes for trajectory geeks.  Seemed like a lower than previous parking orbit - 165 km at seco-1, 188 km at seco-2.  Second stage should re-enter quickly.

Second stage second cutoff at 34356 km/hr = 9849 m/s.  Add 402 m/s for Earth rotation, so 10251 m/s.  This is almost exactly what they need for a GTO apogee, so neither sub nor super synchronous.

Last question is inclination.  This payload was supposed to be about 3000 kg.  The slightly heavier Bangabandhu (3700 kg) got down to a 19.3 degree inclination.  This should do better.  A quick guess shows reducing the mass from 3700 kg to 3000 kg should give an extra 80 m/s.  With this, SpaceX should be able to reduce the inclination to 18.4 degrees.

So final prediction 188 x 36000 km, inclined 18.4o, deficit 1640 m/s to GEO.

Spaceflight Now reported 5300kg mass.  That's the only recent mention I've seen of the satellite mass.

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Shot of today's launch from my perspective
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1 43701U 18090B   18319.94689066 -.00001224  10658-5  00000+0 0  9997
2 43701  24.9938 199.7032 7396449 178.0428  49.1658  2.16443176    02

25 degrees, 200km perigee, 37500km apogee?

edit: around 1750m/s from GEO according to an online calculator
« Last Edit: 11/16/2018 12:46 am by gongora »

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Screen cap of object being passed by descending first stage near 6 minute mark
Dark dot over blue sky near limb on right.
A few seconds later you had a second object passing on the other side of the rocket. Barely visible.

The fairings seen as the booster catches up and passes them?  The screen captures posted by CraigLieb sure look like a fairing.

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SpaceX - Es"hail 2 - Launch And Track 11-15-2018

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Published on Nov 15, 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-cWI2X8CTE?t=001



Gotta love the sound on this one. Almost like being there.

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The fairings seen as the booster catches up and passes them?  The screen captures posted by CraigLieb sure look like a fairing.

Seems unlikely. Fairings are jettisoned about a minute after stage separation. During that time the booster is already in free fall while the second stage carries the fairings downrange and accelerates them by an additional 1000 km/hr or so.

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[Spaceflight Now] SpaceX launches Qatar’s Es’hail 2 communications satellite
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The satellite weighed around 11,700 pounds (5,300 kilograms) with its on-board propellants, according to Zoubair Kachri, Es’hailSat’s technical vice president.

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The fairings seen as the booster catches up and passes them?  The screen captures posted by CraigLieb sure look like a fairing.
Seems unlikely. Fairings are jettisoned about a minute after stage separation. During that time the booster is already in free fall while the second stage carries the fairings downrange and accelerates them by an additional 1000 km/hr or so.

Looking at it in super zoom, albeit low resolution it looks like a bit of ice or something out of the engine. Looks like it was pushed out and then the booster passed it.

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Last question is inclination.  This payload was supposed to be about 3000 kg.  The slightly heavier Bangabandhu (3700 kg) got down to a 19.3 degree inclination.  This should do better.  A quick guess shows reducing the mass from 3700 kg to 3000 kg should give an extra 80 m/s.  With this, SpaceX should be able to reduce the inclination to 18.4 degrees.

Spaceflight Now reported 5300kg mass.  That's the only recent mention I've seen of the satellite mass.

This page reported 3000 kg, as did Gunter's space page until recently (the google snippet still shows 3000 kg).  But the performance is that of a 5300 kg payload, so that's almost surely the right figure.

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Two cataloged objects launched by this mission:

2018-090A   2018-11-15 22:50 UTC - 201/37688km/25.02°
2018-090B   2018-11-15 22:43 UTC - 194/37539km/24.99°

1744 m/s to GSO.

http://www.sworld.com.au/steven/space/gto.zip

Enter initial perigee height (km): 201
Enter initial apogee height (km): 37688
Enter required inclination change (deg): 25.02

theta1 = 25.02 deg, dv1 = 1712.5 m/s
theta2 =  0.00 deg, dv2 =   33.7 m/s
dv = 1746.3 m/s

theta1 = 24.78 deg, dv1 = 1707.8 m/s
theta2 =  0.24 deg, dv2 =   36.1 m/s
dv = 1744.0 m/s
« Last Edit: 11/16/2018 05:44 am by Steven Pietrobon »
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From the updates thread:
Rotation per request, tuned by different spring force.

What would be the benefits for adding rotation to the satellite?

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From the updates thread:
Rotation per request, tuned by different spring force.

What would be the benefits for adding rotation to the satellite?

BBQ roll to manage thermal loads until the thermal management system is online.

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SpaceX drone video:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqQKH7KFh3h/

It still amazes me how much faster a Block 5 jumps off the pad than previous iterations of the vehicle.

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Anyone know what the object is by front left landing leg? Some new safing gadget? I do not remember seeing this before. Something to do with octograbber ops?

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SpaceX Es'hail-2 Launch - UP CLOSE VIEWS
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Published on Nov 16, 2018
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Hi8FzoQAweA

This is an incredible collection.  Props to Jeff Siebert!

Was it normal for the rainbirds to go to full flow that late? (This can be seen in just about every shot shown in this video.)  I know they don't go full flow during the engine startup sequence, but it seems like they ramped up to full flow about one second too late, based on plume impingment.
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Anyone know what the object is by front left landing leg? Some new safing gadget? I do not remember seeing this before. Something to do with octograbber ops?
I watched it as well. Turns out it was just video noise.

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Anyone know what the object is by front left landing leg? Some new safing gadget? I do not remember seeing this before. Something to do with octograbber ops?
I thought it was a screen artifact but I could  be wrong.
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Was it normal for the rainbirds to go to full flow that late? (This can be seen in just about every shot shown in this video.)  I know they don't go full flow during the engine startup sequence, but it seems like they ramped up to full flow about one second too late, based on plume impingment.

The rainbirds seems to turn on about the same time as earlier launches. It does appear late at first glance, but they output a LOT of water. That amount of water could damage the rocket, so they wait to go full power until the rocket is clears the rainbird height.

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