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This has to be PSN-6.

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This has to be PSN-6.
Its the next publicly known SSL spacecraft.

so based on statements:
PSN-6 (Pasifik Satelit Nusantara 6) a SpaceIL Moon Lander are stacked together and will be separated last. Some Spaceflight payloads separate first along with some undisclosed payloads which may or may not include a U.S. government satellite. This might require expendable mode (I'll leave that for discussion later). It sounds like some LEO or Sub-GEO Payloads and some GEO Payloads and the BEO payload.

That would look something like this:

2018
December - PSN-6 (Pasifik Satelit Nusantara 6), SpaceIL Moon Lander, Spaceflight GTO: multiple undisclosed rideshare payloads, U.S. government satellite(?) - Falcon 9 - Canaveral SLC-40 (or January 2019)
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December - PSN-6 (Pasifik Satelit Nusantara 6), SpaceIL Moon Lander, Spaceflight GTO: multiple undisclosed rideshare payloads, U.S. government satellite(?) - Falcon 9 - Canaveral SLC-40 (or January 2019)

Where did you get January 2019 from?

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2018
December - PSN-6 (Pasifik Satelit Nusantara 6), SpaceIL Moon Lander, Spaceflight GTO: multiple undisclosed rideshare payloads, U.S. government satellite(?) - Falcon 9 - Canaveral SLC-40 (or January 2019)

Where did you get January 2019 from?
PSN-6 (Pasifik Satelit Nusantara 6), SpaceIL Moon Lander, Spaceflight GTO all overlap in january in terms of previously announced target windows. Based on Multiple pressers and availability of payloads you get the December to January timeframe as the most likely target month.

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2018
December - PSN-6 (Pasifik Satelit Nusantara 6), SpaceIL Moon Lander, Spaceflight GTO: multiple undisclosed rideshare payloads, U.S. government satellite(?) - Falcon 9 - Canaveral SLC-40 (or January 2019)

Where did you get January 2019 from?

Last I have seen are
http://ekbis.harianjogja.com/read/2018/07/04/502/926064/satelit-psn-6-siap-meluncur-jadi-solusi-internet-cepat
4th July article saying December and
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-israeli-spacecraft-set-for-trip-to-the-moon/ 11 July article saying December

Salo seems to have changed to Early 2019 for PSN-6 on 31 July 2018 but I don't see the ref for it unless hidden behing paywall in
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/insider-content.html but that seems about 'Another potential #Falcon Heavy passenger'

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https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-falcon-9-rideshare-commercial-lunar-lander-2019/

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Expected to occur as soon as early 2019, Spaceflight has arranged the addition of “several undisclosed payloads” but was able to confirm that Israel-based company SpaceIL’s lunar lander spacecraft – deemed Sparrow – will be onboard Falcon 9 come launch,

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https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-falcon-9-rideshare-commercial-lunar-lander-2019/

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Expected to occur as soon as early 2019, Spaceflight has arranged the addition of “several undisclosed payloads” but was able to confirm that Israel-based company SpaceIL’s lunar lander spacecraft – deemed Sparrow – will be onboard Falcon 9 come launch,

Will update the article later but I have some official confirmation from Spaceflight. Sparrow (NET "early Q1 2019") is in fact a part of SI's "GTO-1" mission, and GTO-1 will be targeting a supersynch GTO, described on their online schedule as 185 x 60,000km 27°.

I suppose it's still possible that PSN-6 is the host satellite and that SSL PODS is the GEO rideshare mechanism, but that's a solid 6000+ kg. I doubt even Falcon 9 Block 5 can pull that off in a reusable config, the Telstar Vantage duo only managed apogees closer to 18,000km.    
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https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-falcon-9-rideshare-commercial-lunar-lander-2019/

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Expected to occur as soon as early 2019, Spaceflight has arranged the addition of “several undisclosed payloads” but was able to confirm that Israel-based company SpaceIL’s lunar lander spacecraft – deemed Sparrow – will be onboard Falcon 9 come launch,

Will update the article later but I have some official confirmation from Spaceflight. Sparrow (NET "early Q1 2019") is in fact a part of SI's "GTO-1" mission, and GTO-1 will be targeting a supersynch GTO, described on their online schedule as 185 x 60,000km 27°.

I suppose it's still possible that PSN-6 is the host satellite and that SSL PODS is the GEO rideshare mechanism, but that's a solid 6000+ kg. I doubt even Falcon 9 Block 5 can pull that off in a reusable config, the Telstar Vantage duo only managed apogees closer to 18,000km.    
Per Skyrocket's Facebook Message Sparrow is not an official name for the lander. Per another person "The lander will receive its official name prior to send off to the Cape." It might be that is has both English and Hebrew names.

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Will update the article later but I have some official confirmation from Spaceflight. Sparrow (NET "early Q1 2019") is in fact a part of SI's "GTO-1" mission, and GTO-1 will be targeting a supersynch GTO, described on their online schedule as 185 x 60,000km 27°.

I suppose it's still possible that PSN-6 is the host satellite and that SSL PODS is the GEO rideshare mechanism, but that's a solid 6000+ kg. I doubt even Falcon 9 Block 5 can pull that off in a reusable config, the Telstar Vantage duo only managed apogees closer to 18,000km.
There's a chance that PSN VI is lighter than we expected but still probably an expendable mission.

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Will update the article later but I have some official confirmation from Spaceflight. Sparrow (NET "early Q1 2019") is in fact a part of SI's "GTO-1" mission, and GTO-1 will be targeting a supersynch GTO, described on their online schedule as 185 x 60,000km 27°.

I suppose it's still possible that PSN-6 is the host satellite and that SSL PODS is the GEO rideshare mechanism, but that's a solid 6000+ kg. I doubt even Falcon 9 Block 5 can pull that off in a reusable config, the Telstar Vantage duo only managed apogees closer to 18,000km.
There's a chance that PSN VI is lighter than we expected but still probably an expendable mission.

Still planning on checking with SSL when I find some time this week 🤪

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NASA, Israel Space Agency Sign Agreement for Commercial Lunar Cooperation

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-israel-space-agency-sign-agreement-for-commercial-lunar-cooperation

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NASA will contribute a laser retroreflector array to aid with ground tracking and Deep Space Network support to aid in mission communication. ISA and SpaceIL will share data with NASA from the SpaceIL lunar magnetometer installed aboard the spacecraft. The instrument, which was developed in collaboration with the Weizmann Institute of Science, will measure the magnetic field on and above the landing site. The data will be made publicly available through NASA’s Planetary Data System.  In addition, NASA’s Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter will attempt to take scientific measurements of the SpaceIL lander as it lands on the Moon.
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Online Chris Bergin

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2018/10/israels-first-moon-launch-falcon-delayed-weeks/ - by Thomas Burghardt

He's been working on this for a while, talking to SpaceIL and waiting for this latest update that came this evening.

https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1050156046407348224

« Last Edit: 10/10/2018 10:52 PM by Chris Bergin »

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