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Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« on: 11/16/2014 07:47 am »
Iran has managed to design,manufacture,and test its new and powerful solid-fuel based Space launch Vehicle called Ghaem.

Ghaem project is part of a series of launchers, planned by Iran for next 10 years to meet its needs in the field of space launch vehicles for its space program.Ghaem is a four-staged all solid fuel expandable launch vehicle capable of launching payloads to LEO , MEO and GEO orbits and employs a very sophisticated design to be able to handle all types of payloads to those orbits.

Ghaem is not a man-rated launcher but many of its design specifications will be employed for our future manned space missions.

This prestigious and extremely sophisticated program was initiated and lead by Hassan Tehrani Moghadam and his team  years ago and unfortunately experienced a set-back during a failed test back in 2011 which took the lives of several Iranian scientist including General Moghadam but eventually resulted in success in 2014. All stages are now flight-ready hardware.

With Ghaem Iran is now among a very elite group of space fairing nations capable of launching payloads to GEO and beyond.

Our beloved Hassan Tehrani Moghadam left a legacy similar to what Sergei Korolev left for Soviet union and Wernher von Braun left for Germany (and eventually US) and Ghaem is just the tip of its iceberg.

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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #1 on: 11/16/2014 08:04 am »
For those interested to have just an idea of how does the first stage look like during test and integration and how sophisticated it is ,please check the following video and pictures.

Interesting facts:
1-The temperature of nozzle is so high and the shock waves so powerful that it can simply turn finest grade steel into crumpled piece like aluminum foils.

2-Ghaem employs TVC technology

Note:These are NOT Ghaem.



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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #2 on: 11/16/2014 08:08 am »
Shuttle SRB has diameter of 3.7 meter ,height of 45.5 meters and weighs around 590 tons. (Fully loaded with fuel)

First stage of Ghaem has diameter of 3.5 meter ,Length of 20 meter and weighs around 230 Tons.
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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #3 on: 11/16/2014 08:15 am »
Similar: Athena-III
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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #4 on: 11/16/2014 09:47 am »
Soehil,

Being Iranian, your enthusiasm is understood. HOWEVER, ALL the data provided by some Iranian news agencies is not backed by anything, not a single picture, video, drawing, nothing. Even the name of the person that spoke to the press and his affiliation is obscured.

Yet the hype is in its high - and you keep posting irrelevant information on various forums.

The ONLY non Iranian official that spoke on an open forum on Iran's ICBM plans is Lt. Gen.  (res) Moshe Ya'alon, Israel's minister of defence, back on 2012:

http://aviationweek.com/defense/israeli-officials-warn-over-iranian-icbm-nukes

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/03/world/middleeast/israel-warns-iranian-missiles-might-threaten-us.html?_r=0

Apart from these indications on Iran's pursuit of solid propellant, large diameter rocket motors, there are rumors, speculations, "guestimations" and wishful thinking.

I am certain that the members here KNOWS how Space Shuttle SRB is look like, as well as the Ares-1 first stage, LM Athena and so on.

I would encourage each member of the forum to share his views on the subject, but I will do it with more than a grain of salt.




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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #5 on: 11/16/2014 11:56 am »
For what it's worth, my current view of the Iranian space programme is "I'll believe it when I see it".

Their regular failures in recent years have damaged their credibility for me.
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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #6 on: 11/16/2014 03:50 pm »
Wishful thinking!?

What if i prove that i have seen this monster 2 years ago!?
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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #7 on: 11/16/2014 04:12 pm »
Wishful thinking!?
What if i prove that i have seen this monster 2 years ago!?

OK then, please prove it.
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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #8 on: 11/18/2014 05:16 pm »
Wishful thinking!?
What if i prove that i have seen this monster 2 years ago!?

OK then, please prove it.

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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #9 on: 11/18/2014 05:23 pm »
No proof there - like photographs, technical documents etc.   Just online postings and speculations.
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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #10 on: 11/18/2014 07:13 pm »
No proof there - like photographs, technical documents etc.   Just online postings and speculations.

I have patience to prove...
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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #11 on: 11/19/2014 02:38 am »
No proof there - like photographs, technical documents etc.   Just online postings and speculations.
I have patience to prove...

SoheilEsy, in an earlier posting you said that you would provide proof if you were asked to do so.   I politely asked for the proof and I - along with other people on here - are still awaiting that proof.   Maybe your promise was an empty one, of course.   Reposting your earlier claims is not proof.
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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #12 on: 11/19/2014 05:01 am »
No proof there - like photographs, technical documents etc.   Just online postings and speculations.
I have patience to prove...

SoheilEsy, in an earlier posting you said that you would provide proof if you were asked to do so.   I politely asked for the proof and I - along with other people on here - are still awaiting that proof.   Maybe your promise was an empty one, of course.   Reposting your earlier claims is not proof.

So how did i know back in 2012 before official announcement !?

Nobody forcing anybody to believe !

This is something that going to happen soon...
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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #13 on: 11/19/2014 06:09 am »
Where is the official announcement?
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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #14 on: 11/19/2014 08:20 am »
June 2012 was a day full of posts by Soheil.

First, he stated that he was working with the Iranian space agency:


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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #15 on: 11/19/2014 08:21 am »
Then, he spoke on a 2.4 meter in diameter, solid fueled LV:
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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #16 on: 11/19/2014 08:22 am »
and then, a 4.0 meter booster:


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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #17 on: 11/19/2014 08:28 am »
Now, all that being said, it is OBVIOUS that Iran is working on a gigantic launch vehicle - well beyond the Simorgh (BTW, what is going on with it?) - one just have to take a look on the launch pads of Khomeini space launch center and the Sharud facility.

BUT, and this is a HUGE but, the leap from current solid fueled vehicles (1/25 diameter ) to a 3.5 meters - is QUANTUM LEAP.

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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #18 on: 11/19/2014 09:07 am »
June 2012 was a day full of posts by Soheil.

First, he stated that he was working with the Iranian space agency:



Was ... In a small project!

Not anymore. :(
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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #19 on: 11/19/2014 09:13 am »
Then, he spoke on a 2.4 meter in diameter, solid fueled LV:

Talking about different SLVs ...

Smaller one is a part of ghaem!
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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #20 on: 11/19/2014 09:22 am »
Now, all that being said, it is OBVIOUS that Iran is working on a gigantic launch vehicle - well beyond the Simorgh (BTW, what is going on with it?) - one just have to take a look on the launch pads of Khomeini space launch center and the Sharud facility.

BUT, and this is a HUGE but, the leap from current solid fueled vehicles (1/25 diameter ) to a 3.5 meters - is QUANTUM LEAP.


Same thing happened in United States in 50s & 60s !

Just compare early atlas launchers with Saturn 5 ...
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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #22 on: 11/19/2014 10:00 am »
Where is the official announcement?

http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13930822000347


This is FAR from an official announcement. Anonymous speaker from unknown organization that spoke to FARS news - which is known for its high standards of accuracy....

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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #23 on: 11/19/2014 10:28 am »
Where is the official announcement?

http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13930822000347


This is FAR from an official announcement. Anonymous speaker from unknown organization that spoke to FARS news - which is known for its high standards of accuracy....

Dr.Ommi isn't anonymous!
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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #24 on: 11/20/2014 06:35 am »
Thanks SoheilEsy. Here's the Google translation.

"The details of the project martyr Thranymqdm / 4-stage rocket "vertical" to enter the orbit of 1,000 kilometers

To the experts know what the project Thranymqdm martyr, hardness and high technology, the first stage of a motor with a diameter of about 3.5 m and a length of 20 m was used.

Department of Defense Security Fars News Agency - martyr Hassan Tehrani Moghaddam, the head Sunday 21 Persian date Aban 90 Commander Jihad Self-Sufficiency Organization of Islamic Revolution Iranian Revolutionary Guards during one of the most important projects in the aerospace industry in the wake of a rocket explosion along with some of the guards was killed.

Evidence suggests that this project was one of the most effective projects pursued by the great martyr.

Sardar Mohammad Tehrani Moghaddam said (brother of martyr), Haj Hassan 2 days before serving testimony Jmh- mother -in great day arrived, and he says that our "great job" ahead, and 3 times for the success of the mother wants The project will pray.

A few days before the third year, ahead of the martyr Tehrani Moghaddam, the Revolutionary Guards Brigadier General Ramazan Sharif, spokesman at a press conference that " the Smrnshstn "martyr Tehrani Moghaddam project last spoke, but no details of the.

In this regard academic vice president, Fethullah Amy assistant professor of aeronautics and martyr Tehrani Moghaddam, who was a close friend and colleague, the more details of this payment.

Amy Soraya spoke on television, stating that through our work we had several meetings with the martyr Tehrani Moghaddam, the arrival of this great martyr and construction of space rockets carrying satellites (Mahvarhbr) and said: When we use the Rocket Satellite liquid fuel "hope" in orbit 240 to 400 kilometers, is our Leo Leo -Faslh circuit, the same martyr Tehrani Moghaddam said that his next target. He never said that we won and all the work, he now has to go to higher orbit satellites at a distance of 1,000 kilometers, we can.

He said he should find a way to select the first martyr Mahvarhbr, is simpler but with more power. So I chose the solid fuel.

The Professor of Aerospace continued solid fuel, liquid fuel is easier in comparison with the very high risks so that the world of spacecraft with only France uses solid fuel, which is a complex technology which does not Lou.

Amy added, however, martyr Moghaddam said I'll take the risk and start a new project to build a satellite into orbit satellites with solid fuel would be 1,000 kilometers.

He pointed out that the project "vertical missile was" a missile "four-step" with all solid fuel. The three tests were successful and in the end it happened.

Professor of Aerospace stating that many details of the project are confidential and can not speak, said that the experts know just how valuable this project, hardness, high technology, we are using the first stage of an engine is diameter about 3.5 m and a length of 20 meters and experts in the field know how hard it is to work on the engine with solid fuel.

Amy said: Sardar Moghadam was the first "thrust vector control» (TVC (Thrust Vector control test in Iran.

According to Fars, this particular rocket system during a mission in outer space to direct and redirect its missiles used a simpler model other Iranian missiles, including Shahaboddin (with liquified) be used and the first instance of the system The second stage satellite Ambassador engine (with fuel) operation was used. "
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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #25 on: 11/20/2014 10:44 am »
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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #26 on: 11/20/2014 10:58 am »
Very nice rendering! If only it was easy to build in reality as it is to make these drawings....(the remark is not only toward Iran).

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« Reply #27 on: 11/20/2014 11:02 am »
Very nice rendering! If only it was easy to build in reality as it is to make these drawings....(the remark is not only toward Iran).

Not easy ... Indeed !

It took 8 years ...
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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #28 on: 11/22/2014 10:03 am »
Thanks SoheilEsy. Here's the Google translation.

"The details of the project martyr Thranymqdm / 4-stage rocket "vertical" to enter the orbit of 1,000 kilometers

To the experts know what the project Thranymqdm martyr, hardness and high technology, the first stage of a motor with a diameter of about 3.5 m and a length of 20 m was used.

Department of Defense Security Fars News Agency - martyr Hassan Tehrani Moghaddam, the head Sunday 21 Persian date Aban 90 Commander Jihad Self-Sufficiency Organization of Islamic Revolution Iranian Revolutionary Guards during one of the most important projects in the aerospace industry in the wake of a rocket explosion along with some of the guards was killed.

Evidence suggests that this project was one of the most effective projects pursued by the great martyr.

OK taking the risk of being that guy who says: Iran can blab about LEO, MEO and GEO targets all day long but highlighted words make it pretty clear what the true nature of the vehicle is  :P
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« Reply #29 on: 11/22/2014 04:24 pm »
Thanks SoheilEsy. Here's the Google translation.

"The details of the project martyr Thranymqdm / 4-stage rocket "vertical" to enter the orbit of 1,000 kilometers

To the experts know what the project Thranymqdm martyr, hardness and high technology, the first stage of a motor with a diameter of about 3.5 m and a length of 20 m was used.

Department of Defense Security Fars News Agency - martyr Hassan Tehrani Moghaddam, the head Sunday 21 Persian date Aban 90 Commander Jihad Self-Sufficiency Organization of Islamic Revolution Iranian Revolutionary Guards during one of the most important projects in the aerospace industry in the wake of a rocket explosion along with some of the guards was killed.

Evidence suggests that this project was one of the most effective projects pursued by the great martyr.

OK taking the risk of being that guy who says: Iran can blab about LEO, MEO and GEO targets all day long but highlighted words make it pretty clear what the true nature of the vehicle is  :P

The translator made it a little confusing!

Indeed 2nd , 3rd and ... Stages came from a solid fuel ICBM ...

But it doesn't mean that way!

We are civilized people like others...
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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #30 on: 11/24/2014 12:19 pm »
OK taking the risk of being that guy who says: Iran can blab about LEO, MEO and GEO targets all day long but highlighted words make it pretty clear what the true nature of the vehicle is  :P

Didn't every other country (except perhaps Japan) create missile programs for defense initially and then used it for space exploration? (even that has military applications, i.e. surveillance satellites).

What is astonishing to me is that Dr. Ommi (not an anonymous by the way, rather one of the designers in general Tehrani's team) has given out such critical information out on a radio program. I doubt he is lying. But current state of the program (success level, future funding, conversion into a final launcher) is still under question.
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« Reply #31 on: 12/19/2014 03:43 pm »
Updated :
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Re: Iranian Ghaem solid fuel Space Launch Vehicle
« Reply #32 on: 12/20/2014 07:28 am »
Am I right in guessing that Ghaem means Lion in Persian?
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