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SCRUB: Orbital's Antares/Cygnus ORB-3 (CRS-3) ATTEMPT 1 - LAUNCH UPDATES
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 11:47
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#1
by
JasonAW3
on 27 Oct, 2014 12:40
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Forcast for launch time At Wallopes Island, Va. from Weather Underground is;
59 degrees F
Barometric Pressure 30.09 inches steady
Wind from South Southwest at 2 MPH
0% chance of Rain.
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#2
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 12:48
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#3
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GaryS
on 27 Oct, 2014 13:41
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NASA TV Launch coverage begins at 5:45 p.m.
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#4
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GaryS
on 27 Oct, 2014 13:42
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Excellent launch preview article from William, I should add. Best on the net, again.
Orbital Sciences @OrbitalSciences
24 hour balloon data indicates upper level winds are acceptable for flight today and local weather is near perfect.
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#5
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Prober
on 27 Oct, 2014 14:48
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#6
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jsmjr
on 27 Oct, 2014 15:09
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Coming up on a go/no-go decision on a drive over to Wallops. Any issues being worked (e.g., L2)?
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#7
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Prober
on 27 Oct, 2014 16:49
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#8
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 18:42
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Coming up on a go/no-go decision on a drive over to Wallops. Any issues being worked (e.g., L2)?
Hearing all is fine. Antares launches tend to be very public, so I don't think L2 will hear anything unless it's leftfield. Everything else they tend to tweet and such.
L2 is more for the trip to, at, and from the ISS during Orbital ISS missions.
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#9
by
Prober
on 27 Oct, 2014 18:55
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#10
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 19:30
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2 hrs and 15 mins to launch.
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#11
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Prober
on 27 Oct, 2014 20:01
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2 hrs and 15 mins to launch.
they have had a red team working an issue, however weather is fine.
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#12
by
Targeteer
on 27 Oct, 2014 20:14
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#13
by
robertross
on 27 Oct, 2014 20:14
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Looking beautiful on the pad
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#14
by
Targeteer
on 27 Oct, 2014 20:20
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#15
by
robertross
on 27 Oct, 2014 20:21
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countdown clock to resume at 21:28:04
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#16
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robertross
on 27 Oct, 2014 20:24
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reason for RED: sailboat in the center of the hazard area
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#17
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robertross
on 27 Oct, 2014 20:28
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countdown has resumed
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#18
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robertross
on 27 Oct, 2014 20:29
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very thoughful PAO: note to all Ustream observers that wish to leave to watch the launch outside that the stream is about 20 seconds behind
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#19
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robertross
on 27 Oct, 2014 20:30
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LO2 fill in progress
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#20
by
rayleighscatter
on 27 Oct, 2014 20:34
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In honor of Deke Slayton mission control has gone retro.
EDIT: And NASATV coverage is starting up.
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#21
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Prober
on 27 Oct, 2014 20:44
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#22
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 20:49
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#23
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 20:50
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ISS performed a debris avoidance maneuver.
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#24
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robertross
on 27 Oct, 2014 20:52
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into LO2 fast fill
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#25
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 20:52
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#26
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 20:54
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Carrying 2291 kg of cargo. T-52 minutes.
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#27
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Prober
on 27 Oct, 2014 20:54
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#28
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 20:55
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Launch viewing. Should be spectacular.
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#29
by
tmtsquish
on 27 Oct, 2014 20:55
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Range is currently red due to a boat in the area.
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#30
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 20:57
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SS Deke Slayton. Mission Control going retro!
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#31
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 20:59
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There's always a boat around.
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#32
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:00
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Hoping the boat will be cleared in time.
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#33
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tmtsquish
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:00
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Hoping the boat will be cleared in time.
They said they'll update when there's more info.
Also, currently 100% favorable conditions for the launch.
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#34
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:00
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It's the only issue being worked.
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#35
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:00
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Polling is go for launch at this stage.
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#36
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Prober
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:01
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#37
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:01
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Interview with Carl Walz. Sailboat is in the way.
Completed poll. Go for launch.
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#38
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:03
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#39
by
Prober
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:04
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#40
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:05
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30 October 1984 commercial space act signed, almost 30 years ago.
About T-40 minutes.
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#41
by
rayleighscatter
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:07
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Launch window opens at 6:45, does anyone know what time it closes?
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#42
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:08
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Interview with Kurt Eberly. Thankyou to range.
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#43
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tmtsquish
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:08
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Around 0245 GMT, so 2245 Eastern.
Edit: This was the window end last I checked, apparently it's actually only 10 minutes. My info was wrong.
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#44
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:08
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#45
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Prober
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:10
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#46
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:11
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#47
by
Prober
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:11
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#48
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:12
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Started main engine chilldown.
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#49
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Prober
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:13
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#50
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:14
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10 minute window with a one minute cutout to avoid ISS (I think).
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#51
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:14
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#52
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:16
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Interview with Dr. Liz Warren talking about science payloads.
T-30 minutes.
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#53
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:17
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Talking about Drain Brain experiment.
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#54
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:18
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Talking about sixth Student experiment program with 18 experiments.
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#55
by
bilbo
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:19
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#56
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:21
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#57
by
robertross
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:22
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Still RED. Pressing into launch enables
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#58
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:22
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#59
by
robertross
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:23
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poll for final FTS
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#60
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:23
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9.27 waived.
Performing poll on FTS power.
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#61
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Prober
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:24
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#62
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:25
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#63
by
robertross
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:27
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FTS A & FTS B to internal power
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#64
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:28
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T-18 minutes. FTS on internal power.
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#65
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robertross
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:28
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upper level winds go
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#66
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Prober
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:29
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#67
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tmtsquish
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:30
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T-15
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#68
by
robertross
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:30
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go to transfer Cygnus to internal power
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#69
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:31
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T-15 minutes. Transferring Cygnus to internal power.
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#70
by
Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:31
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ISS crew in sleep period, but as per usual they are up and watching!
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#71
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Prober
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:31
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#72
by
robertross
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:31
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unplanned clock hold at T-12min (22:33:04 UTC) due to sailboat in range
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#73
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:32
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Astronauts staying up to watch launch.
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#74
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robertross
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:32
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Cygnus on internal power & nominal
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#75
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:33
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Looking to hold at T-12 mins. Due to that boat!
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#76
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:33
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Unplanned HOLD.
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#77
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robertross
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:33
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IN the unplanned hold
holding at T-12 min
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#78
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:33
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Window is 10 minutes. Going to be tight.
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#79
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:34
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Holding at T-12 minutes due to boat on the range.
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#80
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Prober
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:34
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#81
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:35
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Hopefully not as dramatic as STS-133's hold with two seconds remaining in the window!
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#82
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:35
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Window expires at 5:55:04 pm.
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#83
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:35
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Eight minutes remaining in the window.
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#84
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Joey S-IVB
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:35
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Looking to hold at T-12 mins. Due to that boat!
Sink the boat!
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#85
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:36
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Orbital Sciences control room. Deke is at the back. :-)
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#86
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:36
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Range is RED due to the boat (as you can assume).
22:55:04 ZULU for the attempt if they can do it.
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#87
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:38
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Polling at 22:45 ZULU to come out of the hold if they can do it.
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#88
by
Targeteer
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:38
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Where is the USS Seawolf when you need it
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#89
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:38
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22:41:34 count to be resumed.
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#90
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:38
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Single shot at the end of the window. If they can get back into the count, they can't have any more holds or it's a scrub.
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#91
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jcm
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:40
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Looking to hold at T-12 mins. Due to that boat!
Sink the boat!
Yeah, there is part of me that feels like not paying attention to warning areas and notices to mariners
means you are travelling at your own risk and should be considered eligible for a possible Darwin award ...
especially near the Cape; perhaps fair enough that near Wallops people are not used to this yet...
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#92
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:40
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2 minutes to resuming count.
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#93
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Prober
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:40
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enjoying this way too much
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#94
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:41
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1 minute to start of count.
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#95
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:42
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Polling to proceed!
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#96
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:42
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RED Range, but proceeding!
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#97
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robertross
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:42
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into polling
(RSO is red but proceeding)
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#98
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:42
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Poll to proceed resuming of count.
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#99
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:43
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"If we're ready, we'll go". Going to the wire!
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#100
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:43
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Count resuming in 20 seconds.
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#101
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:43
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RSO is still red, but proceeding.
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#102
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robertross
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:43
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count has started!
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#103
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:43
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TEL armed for retract.
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#104
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:44
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T-12 minutes and counting.
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#105
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robertross
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:44
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TEL armed for rapid retract in work
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#106
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:44
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TEL is not yet armed. In work.
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#107
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Targeteer
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:44
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They are either having comm issues on the net or folks aren't paying attention. Lots of second requests for responses
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#108
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robertross
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:45
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RSO: no change in status
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#109
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lcs
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:45
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If they launch the ISS will be directly above the ascending vehicle, thanks to the delay.
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#110
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:45
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RSO still RED.
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#111
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robertross
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:45
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stop clock
scrub
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#112
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:45
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SCRUB.
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#113
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:45
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#114
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Targeteer
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:45
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abort due the friggin boat
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#115
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:45
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Damn unlucky. They gave that all the time they could. STUPID boat.
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#116
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Joey S-IVB
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:45
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The boat sunk the launch :-(
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#117
by
A12
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:46
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Where is the Coast Guard ?
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#118
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robertross
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:46
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I hope that boat owner gets a nice fat bill for this scrub
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#119
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Targeteer
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:46
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Owner of that boat needs to get a very large bill for a wasted launch attempt
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#120
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:46
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Aborting launch due to boat in range area.
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#121
by
YesRushGen
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:46
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I hope the captain of that boat is severely penalized.
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#122
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robertross
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:46
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into abort safing
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#123
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Norm38
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:47
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I hope that boat owner gets a nice fat bill for this scrub
I'd set the fine at the sum total of the daily salary of everyone who's time was just wasted.
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#124
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Lee Jay
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:47
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I hope that boat owner gets a nice fat bill for this scrub
I suspect that would be a seven figure bill, but it won't happen of course.
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#125
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lcs
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:47
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I would be satisfied if he was publicly humiliated in the local newspapers.
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#126
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IanO
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:47
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I hope that boat owner gets a nice fat bill for this scrub
In all seriousness, are vessels that violate launch range conditions assessed fines or otherwise penalized?
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#127
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:48
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#128
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Joey S-IVB
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:48
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Well, with the launch scrubbed, off to vote Mayor Rob Ford and his brother out of office in Toronto's municipal elections. Hope the launch scrub wasn't an omen.
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#129
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bilbo
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:49
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UGHH COME ON NOT FAIR
Really wish the boat owner gets a couple hours community service
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#130
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:49
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Next attempt at 5:19 pm tomorrow.
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#131
by
obi-wan
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:50
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I hope that boat owner gets a nice fat bill for this scrub
In all seriousness, are vessels that violate launch range conditions assessed fines or otherwise penalized?
Several years ago, I was talking to the people who run MARS (Mid Atlantic Regional Spaceport @ Wallops) - unlike the Cape, they have no authority to declare a restricted zone or to require boats or ships to leave the area. Their suborbital launches are routinely scrubbed due to boats in the area. The skipper of this boat won't get more than a stern warning, if that...
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#132
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Prober
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:50
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That boat needs to get a ticket
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#133
by
arachnitect
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:50
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Next attempt at 5:19 pm tomorrow.
That's probably 5:19 Central, or 6:19 EDT (2219 UTC)
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#134
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:51
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#135
by
Journeyman
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:51
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Unbelievable!
Anyone know if they had any coast guard ships or helicopters available to approach the boat and tell them to leave the area?
I recall they always did this for Cape launches whenever a boat was in the range.
For Wallops, can they only try to contact the boat by radio and wait and hope it responds?
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#136
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Helodriver
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:51
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Boat turns out to be a large barge with a "SpaceX" logo painted on it
Better luck tomorrow.
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#137
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:52
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Hydraulics are discharging. Cygnus transferring to external power.
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#138
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:52
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I would be satisfied if he was publicly humiliated in the local newspapers.
Over here in England, we used to put people in stocks and throw rotten fruit at them for public humiliation.
Just saying
Of course, we're out of updates now. We'll start a new thread for the next attempt.
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#139
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A12
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:53
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I hope that boat owner gets a nice fat bill for this scrub
In all seriousness, are vessels that violate launch range conditions assessed fines or otherwise penalized?
Several years ago, I was talking to the people who run MARS (Mid Atlantic Regional Spaceport @ Wallops) - unlike the Cape, they have no authority to declare a restricted zone or to require boats or ships to leave the area. Their suborbital launches are routinely scrubbed due to boats in the area. The skipper of this boat won't get more than a stern warning, if that...
So, the skipper deserves a spent booster on his head... or at least a fairing .
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#140
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:54
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Rob Navias was our commentator today. Talking about efforts to try to contact boat and get them out.
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#141
by
veblen
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:54
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All they can do is "try to make contact with the boat"? Lame.
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#142
by
Mapperuo
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:54
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Bloody boat!
If Antares launches tomorrow will the Sunday capture still hold?
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#143
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Targeteer
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:55
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The Chinese and Russians have to chuckle about letting a moron in a boat getting hit by rocket stages stop a launch. They drop rocket stuff on land and peoples houses all the time...
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#144
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:55
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Just want to thank everyone who chipped in with coverage. Especially Steven, Prober and Robert.
Really, really makes my life easier as I'm juggling everything from the launch article to the server hamsters
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#145
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:56
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Nice shot of the Moon next to Antares.
NASA TV starts at 4:30 pm tomorrow I believe.
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#146
by
IanO
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:56
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I hope that boat owner gets a nice fat bill for this scrub
In all seriousness, are vessels that violate launch range conditions assessed fines or otherwise penalized?
Several years ago, I was talking to the people who run MARS (Mid Atlantic Regional Spaceport @ Wallops) - unlike the Cape, they have no authority to declare a restricted zone or to require boats or ships to leave the area. Their suborbital launches are routinely scrubbed due to boats in the area. The skipper of this boat won't get more than a stern warning, if that...
I honestly don't understand this. What is to prevent a fringe protest organization from indefinitely postponing a launch by occupying the range?
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#147
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Jeff Lerner
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:56
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I would have paid money to see the look on the boat skipper's face if they had launched ....bet that would have soiled his pants...
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#148
by
ugordan
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:56
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All they can do is "try to make contact with the boat"? Lame.
May I propose an additional course of action? Turning off the radars. No boat detected - no problem...
I'm only 80% joking.
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#149
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:57
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#150
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:57
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You can HEAR Antares saying what she thinks of that boat with the audible sighing (its her pressurization, but you can imagine!)
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#151
by
Targeteer
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:58
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They seriously need to improve their responsiveness on the launch net. RSO didn't respond promptly and NASA was asked for an update before RSO gave a really useless call.
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#152
by
dsmillman
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:58
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We just had a bright ISS pass over NYC. Too bad it was alone.
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#153
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:59
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Step alpha 44 complete.
Completed all steps in abort safing except for three.
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#154
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Prober
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:00
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someone please turn the cam on the water and embarrass them !
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#155
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:01
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Spacecraft safed and powering down.
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#156
by
Lars-J
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:01
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I would have paid money to see the look on the boat skipper's face if they had launched ....bet that would have soiled his pants...
I doubt he or she would have noticed anything, unless the launch went terribly wrong. The ocean is big, and it is very unlikely that the small boat would have been hit by the falling first stage. (as much as we might wish it)
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#157
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Joffan
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:02
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At some point in the future I would expect that any boats in breach of the Notice to Mariners would simply be ignored, and their risks would have no effect on launches, only on their own insurance.
Really, if it doesn't endanger the launch and proper notice has been given, it's up to the boat owners to decide whether they want to take the risk of having some metal land on their boat from a great height.
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#158
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Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:02
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Love this shot with the Moon.
Re-establishing road-blocks.
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#159
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Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:03
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He'd probably sue if something fell on his head.
"Have you had an accident whilst out boating? Did a fairing land on your head? Call 555-223-4323 and our teams of lawyers will tell you how stupid you were not to get out of the Range".
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#160
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:05
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Boat was in South East of range.
Discussion of launch at 5:22 pm.
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#161
by
Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:07
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Praise for the team. Sailboat guy getting a slap down on the loop.
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#162
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tmtsquish
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:07
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He'd probably sue if something fell on his head.
"Have you had an accident whilst out boating? Did a fairing land on your head? Call 555-223-4323 and our teams of lawyers will tell you how stupid you were not to get out of the Range".
Wong phone number. It should be 555-386-2277. (Just think of Red from "That 70's Show" if you ever watched it.)
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#163
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Lars-J
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:07
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Culbertson is unhappy about the sailboat
"captain" "operator".
Unfortunately he can't say what he really feels, I'm sure.
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#164
by
Almurray1958
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:07
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seems to me that this would cover it.
http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveECFR?gp=1&SID=0d26f88520f1581d3ef27102bd49ac4e&ty=HTML&h=L&r=SECTION&n=se33.3.334_1130Title 33 → Chapter II → Part 334 → §334.130
Atlantic Ocean off Wallops Island and Chincoteague Inlet, Va.; danger zone.
(a) The area. An area immediately behind and directly offshore from Wallops Island defined by lines drawn as follows: Beginning at latitude 37°53′00″ N, longitude 75°29′48″ W; thence to latitude 37°53′03″ N, longitude 74°50′52″ W; thence to latitude 37°38′28″ N, longitude 74°51′48″ W; thence to latitude 37°22′00″ N, longitude 75°09′35″ W; thence to latitude 37°19′11″ N, longitude 75°30′00″ W; thence to latitude 37°47′57″ N, longitude 75°32′19″ W; and thence to latitude 37°53′00″ N, longitude 75°29′48″ W.
(b) The regulations. (1) Persons and vessels shall only be prohibited from entering the area when launch operations are being conducted.
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#165
by
ugordan
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:08
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Frank Culbertson just had a word or two about the "captain" of the sailboat.
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#166
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:08
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Orbital. Did a fantastic job. Sail boat operator, lost or not responding. Could not get out in time. Get some rest. Good shot for tomorrow weather wise. This is the way spaceflight is. We will have a successful launch. Thanks again for the hard work.
22:22:38 UTC (6:22:38 pm EDT) launch time tomorrow.
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#167
by
Almurray1958
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:09
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HA: "Sailboat Captain, no Sailboat operator; captain implies a sense of responsibility"
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#168
by
Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:10
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18:22 Eastern for the T-0 tomorrow.
It was Frank C with the slapdown of the sailor. Well done sir!
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#169
by
Scylla
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:15
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I really hope their is a sternly worded addition to the article about idiotic ship Captains Operators in the works.
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#170
by
Chris Bergin
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:15
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Ok, so we'll try again tomorrow. Second attempt live thread will be set up tomorrow.
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#171
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:15
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ISS mission control. Launch window is 10 minutes. NASA TV coverage starts at 5:30 pm EDT.
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#172
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:15
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Do we know if the arrival at ISS of Cygnus is still on November 2 if it launches tomorrow?
(oh and I'm the probably the only one who need to thank that sailboat captain - I grossly overslept and woke up at what should have been T+8 minutes!
)
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#173
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:19
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Launch coverage ending, but still have video of Antares.
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#174
by
Comga
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:20
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Do we know if the arrival at ISS of Cygnus is still on November 2 if it launches tomorrow?
(oh and I'm the probably the only one who need to thank that sailboat captain - I grossly overslept and woke up at what should have been T+8 minutes! )
Not the only one. I lost track of time and was also late. Better luck to us tomorrow.
Isn't the launch at 18:22 / 6:22 PM Eastern tomorrow?
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#175
by
yg1968
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:22
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#176
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:28
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Do we know if the arrival at ISS of Cygnus is still on November 2 if it launches tomorrow?
(oh and I'm the probably the only one who need to thank that sailboat captain - I grossly overslept and woke up at what should have been T+8 minutes! )
Not the only one. I lost track of time and was also late. Better luck to us tomorrow.
Isn't the launch at 18:22 / 6:22 PM Eastern tomorrow?
Yes, window opens at 6:22:38 pm Eastern. Progress M-25M also heading to the ISS <9 hours later (though it will actually arrive first). Then 50th Atlas V w/ GPS IIF-8 another 8 hours after that.
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#177
by
Scylla
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:32
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On the plus side. If the launch had not been scrubbed, I would not have just gone outside to rant at the sky and would have missed the HUGE meteor that just streaked by.
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#178
by
smith5se
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:32
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#179
by
edkyle99
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:34
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http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/ANTARES-ORB3-NOTMARREVA.pdf"The Army Corp of Engineers Danger Zone will be in effect for all launch attempts per 33CFR
(Code of Federal Regulations) Part 334. Fines and arrest authority are permissible by U.S. Coast
Guard and Virginia Marine Police."
There are two zones, one local and one that seems to be 900 nmi or more offshore, which would be in international waters not subject to U.S. laws. Do we know which zone had the "boat"?
- Ed Kyle
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#180
by
LouScheffer
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:43
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At some point in the future I would expect that any boats in breach of the Notice to Mariners would simply be ignored, and their risks would have no effect on launches, only on their own insurance.
Really, if it doesn't endanger the launch and proper notice has been given, it's up to the boat owners to decide whether they want to take the risk of having some metal land on their boat from a great height.
It seems to me that they could still meet the safety numbers with a sailboat in the range. The limit for commercial launches appears to be less than 0.00003 expected deaths per launch.
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/list/AC%20431.35-1/$FILE/AC431.35-1.pdf
Unless the sailboat is directly under the expected booster impact point, (or very close to the shore) that should be easy to meet. (back of the envelope - booster would need to go off course (10%), then RSO blows it up, possible area for debris to land at least 10km by 10km, sailboat is 10m by 10m, sailboat has a max of 10 people).
Of course, doing this calculation to the satisfaction of the FAA in real time is not practical. But if they did it ex post facto, I bet the safety requirement would have been met.
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#181
by
catdlr
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:59
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#182
by
rayleighscatter
on 27 Oct, 2014 23:11
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At some point in the future I would expect that any boats in breach of the Notice to Mariners would simply be ignored, and their risks would have no effect on launches, only on their own insurance.
Really, if it doesn't endanger the launch and proper notice has been given, it's up to the boat owners to decide whether they want to take the risk of having some metal land on their boat from a great height.
It seems to me that they could still meet the safety numbers with a sailboat in the range. The limit for commercial launches appears to be less than 0.00003 expected deaths per launch.
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/list/AC%20431.35-1/$FILE/AC431.35-1.pdf
Unless the sailboat is directly under the expected booster impact point, (or very close to the shore) that should be easy to meet. (back of the envelope - booster would need to go off course (10%), then RSO blows it up, possible area for debris to land at least 10km by 10km, sailboat is 10m by 10m, sailboat has a max of 10 people).
Of course, doing this calculation to the satisfaction of the FAA in real time is not practical. But if they did it ex post facto, I bet the safety requirement would have been met.
They could also just drop the stage on the sailboat and launch an additional 300,000 rockets to balance it out.
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#183
by
apollolanding
on 27 Oct, 2014 23:25
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We just had a bright ISS pass over NYC. Too bad it was alone.
That was the consolation prize for those of us who all gathered in a vineyard in Southern NJ. I pointed out ISS and at least that made some of the kids ooh and ahh. I explained that bright dot was where the spacecraft was supposed to go. Of course I didn't think to slew my camera to record the pass... Doh!
The upside is that in a very economically depressed and sparsely populated area, there were three families on the side of the road waiting to watch a rocket launch a couple hundred miles away. Average Joes enjoying spaceflight... Made me feel like there is still a little hope.
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#184
by
arachnitect
on 27 Oct, 2014 23:32
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http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/ANTARES-ORB3-NOTMARREVA.pdf
"The Army Corp of Engineers Danger Zone will be in effect for all launch attempts per 33CFR
(Code of Federal Regulations) Part 334. Fines and arrest authority are permissible by U.S. Coast
Guard and Virginia Marine Police."
There are two zones, one local and one that seems to be 900 nmi or more offshore, which would be in international waters not subject to U.S. laws. Do we know which zone had the "boat"?
- Ed Kyle
~40 mi. out
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#185
by
rayleighscatter
on 28 Oct, 2014 00:02
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95% chance of GO for weather tomorrow.
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#186
by
robertross
on 28 Oct, 2014 00:16
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95% chance of GO for weather tomorrow.
Yeah, but the important number I want to know is: what's the chance of boats in the area tomorrow?
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#187
by
Robotbeat
on 28 Oct, 2014 00:42
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I went out to see them launch it in Hampton. I did see the ISS pass. It's the brighter blob in this picture I took with a potato:
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#188
by
sdsds
on 28 Oct, 2014 02:14
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I wonder at what point it becomes economically advantageous to forcibly evacuate and then sink the offending vessel. The operation could probably be carried out with a single helicopter. The cost of conducting the operation and replacing the vessel might be less than the cost of the scrub....
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#189
by
Robotbeat
on 28 Oct, 2014 02:21
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Just evacuate, don't need to sink it. Anyway, this is just one more reason we need to go toward high-launch-rate reusable rockets that don't have pieces falling off into the ocean or onto the steppe.
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#190
by
Jim
on 28 Oct, 2014 03:56
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Just evacuate, don't need to sink it. Anyway, this is just one more reason we need to go toward high-launch-rate reusable rockets that don't have pieces falling off into the ocean or onto the steppe.
That doesn't still mean there won't be a cleared area for launches.
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#191
by
jacqmans
on 28 Oct, 2014 06:17
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October 27, 2014
Launch of Third Orbital Sciences Mission to Space Station Rescheduled; NASA TV Coverage Reset
The third Orbital Sciences cargo mission to the International Space Station under NASA's Commercial Resupply Services contract is scheduled to launch at 6:22 p.m. EDT Tuesday, Oct. 28, from Pad 0A of the Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport at NASA’s Wallops Flight Facility in Virginia.
NASA Television coverage of Tuesday's launch will begin at 5:30 p.m. A post-launch news conference will follow at approximately 8 p.m.
A Monday launch attempt was scrubbed because of a boat down range in the trajectory Orbital’s Antares rocket would have flown had it lifted off.
A Tuesday launch will result in the Cygnus spacecraft arriving at the space station early Sunday, Nov. 2. NASA TV coverage of rendezvous and berthing will begin at 3:30 a.m. with grapple at approximately 4:58 a.m.
For the latest information on news conferences and coverage times, visit:
http://www.nasa.gov/ntvnewsFor more information about Orbital’s mission, visit:
http://www.nasa.gov/orbitalFor more information about the International Space Station, visit:
http://www.nasa.gov/station
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#192
by
Skyrocket
on 28 Oct, 2014 10:25
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Concerning the cubesats on this launch:
i know currently of 29 cubesats carried inside Orb-3:
26 x
Flock-1d (3U)
Arkyd-3 (3U)
RACE (3U)
GOMX-2 (2U)
Has anyone info, if there are more?
Gunter
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#193
by
kevin-rf
on 28 Oct, 2014 11:48
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I like how everyone picked up ISS last night, but missed Tiangong 1. Shortly after the scrub I enjoyed watching both stations at the same time sail through the evening sky.
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#194
by
SaxtonHale
on 28 Oct, 2014 13:11
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It was a beautiful night.
Now I get to drive 7 hours again!
Last image is the ISS passing over the scrubbed rocket.
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#195
by
Helodriver
on 28 Oct, 2014 13:41
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It was a beautiful night.
Now I get to drive 7 hours again!
Last image is the ISS passing over the scrubbed rocket.
Great pictures! Especially the ISS one. Where were you set up to watch from?
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#196
by
Chris Bergin
on 28 Oct, 2014 15:19
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