NG's CEV in AW

• NG's CEV in AW by rsp1202 on 31 Jul, 2006 23:10
• "Aviation Week" Magazine, July 31 edition, page 16: Northrop-Grumman is running a full-page ad of a mockup of their Crew Exploration Vehicle design, which I believe is a first. I'm without scanner so can't post the image, and don't know about copyrights, et al. Perhaps another member of the forum who's more learned can find a way to get this online without ruffling feathers. I did a double-take when I saw it. Its propped on its side, with photo taken from front-quarter position. I would guess it's the 5.5m version, and it looks BIG.
• #1 by astrobrian on 31 Jul, 2006 23:21
• This is the last release that I have seen from NG unless someone here has something newer or closer to what rsp1202 speaks of.
  

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• #2 by rsp1202 on 31 Jul, 2006 23:25
• This is new, a "live" shot with techs standing around it as it sits on a test jig. It's hard to tell, but one of their computer monitors looks like it's showing a view of CEV's interior with control panel, etc.
  
  LM has also posted new graphics for its CEV. Go to:
  http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/findPage.do?dsp=fec&ci=17691&rsbci=0&fti=0&ti=0&sc=400
• #3 by HailColumbia on 01 Aug, 2006 00:58
• Now, lockheed's SM is clearly differant then what DAC-2 specified.  If Lockheed wins, will they be allowed to build the SM how they want?
• #4 by Jim on 01 Aug, 2006 01:41
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  HailColumbia - 31/7/2006  8:45 PM
  
  Now, lockheed's SM is clearly differant then what DAC-2 specified.  If Lockheed wins, will they be allowed to build the SM how they want?

  
  Why use two engines, when RCS can be used as a backup?
• #5 by Chris Bergin on 01 Aug, 2006 01:57
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  HailColumbia - 1/8/2006  1:45 AM
  
  Now, lockheed's SM is clearly differant then what DAC-2 specified.  If Lockheed wins, will they be allowed to build the SM how they want?

  
  I would say they are just way behind the DAC-2 changes. The images would take a long time to draw up and DAC-2 was only a week ago.
• #6 by Propforce on 01 Aug, 2006 02:29
• Interesting artwork.  First time I've ever see *air* gush by the CEV in *space* !!  
• #7 by simonbp on 01 Aug, 2006 02:41
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  Propforce - 31/7/2006  7:16 PM
  
  Interesting artwork.  First time I've ever see *air* gush by the CEV in *space* !!  

  
  I think that's supposed to be motion blur...
  
  Simon
• #8 by collectSPACE on 01 Aug, 2006 03:09
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  rsp1202 - 31/7/2006  6:12 PM
  
  This is new, a "live" shot with techs standing around it as it sits on a test jig. It's hard to tell, but one of their computer monitors looks like it's showing a view of CEV's interior with control panel, etc.

  Here's the ad/mock-up.
  
• #9 by HailColumbia on 01 Aug, 2006 03:39
• Looks a lot bigger there then it does in those DAC-2 Drawings.
  
• #10 by yinzer on 01 Aug, 2006 04:10
• I held a ruler up to the screen, and the guy with the silver hair is almost exactly 1/3rd the height of the CEV.  If the CEV is 5.5m in diameter, that'd make him almost 6 feet tall, which seems reasonable.
• #11 by josh_simonson on 01 Aug, 2006 04:46
• I like how one of the lockheed photos shows the CEV/SM in orbit with the launch escape system still attached.  I think i read on the side of the CEV "I hauled 4t to orbit and all I got was this stupid beanie!"
• #12 by Propforce on 01 Aug, 2006 04:55
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  yinzer - 31/7/2006  8:57 PM
  
  I held a ruler up to the screen, and the guy with the silver hair is almost exactly 1/3rd the height of the CEV.  If the CEV is 5.5m in diameter, that'd make him almost 6 feet tall, which seems reasonable.

  
  
  You MUST BE an engineer....
  
• #13 by vt_hokie on 01 Aug, 2006 07:07
• Just saw the ad in the latest issue of Space News.  Looks like an Apollo capsule...no big surprises.
• #14 by gladiator1332 on 01 Aug, 2006 14:20
• That image really shows you how big the CEV really is. I remember going to the Air and Space Museum and KSC and how I was surprised by how relatively small the Apollo CM really is. In some ways it made my Hodna Civic look roomy. I think some of the Apollo astronauts are going to be very jealous of the Orion astronauts.
• #15 by CuddlyRocket on 01 Aug, 2006 16:43
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  gladiator1332 - 1/8/2006  3:07 PM
  
  I think some of the Apollo astronauts are going to be very jealous of the Orion astronauts.

  Who won't be!
• #16 by meiza on 01 Aug, 2006 17:03
• But isn't the CEV 5 m in diameter now?
• #17 by hyper_snyper on 01 Aug, 2006 17:14
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  meiza - 1/8/2006  12:50 PM
  
  But isn't the CEV 5 m in diameter now?

  
  Yeah.  
  
  Do we know that pic is of the 5 or 5.5?  Either way, its going to be big.  All this time I had imagined it smaller in my head.
• #18 by rsp1202 on 01 Aug, 2006 18:36
• We haven't seen any company's 5.0 yet.
• #19 by astrobrian on 01 Aug, 2006 20:40

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  HailColumbia - 31/7/2006  10:26 PM  Looks a lot bigger there then it does in those DAC-2 Drawings.

  Its always good to have something next to it you can relate size to.  It looks like it could hold 4 crew members comfortably, still not quite sure how 6 might work though. 

• #20 by Generic Username on 01 Aug, 2006 22:13
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  astrobrian - 1/8/2006  3:27 PM
   not quite sure how 6 might work though. 

  
  You could put six uncomfortable astronauts in an Apollo (rescue configuration). Given that the CEV has:
  1) Larger diameter
  2) Greater mold-line volume
  3) Reduced-volume instrumentation (a laptop would probably suffice in a pinch)
  4) Reduced-volume structures
  
  I think putting six in would be pretty straightforward.
• #21 by astrobrian on 02 Aug, 2006 02:10
• I was basing my comment just on the visual of the ad of the guys standing next to it, I know it can and will be done.
• #22 by Norm Hartnett on 02 Aug, 2006 04:18
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  josh_simonson - 31/7/2006  11:33 PM
  
  I like how one of the lockheed photos shows the CEV/SM in orbit with the launch escape system still attached.  I think i read on the side of the CEV "I hauled 4t to orbit and all I got was this stupid beanie!"

  
  Propforce is right you MUST BE an engineer. LOL
• #23 by Wolverine on 04 Aug, 2006 01:34
• Wow that's a big capsule.  What is that textured material, insulation?
• #24 by Mogster on 05 Aug, 2006 14:24
• I can only agree with everyone else, after seeing Apollo size capsules in museums the CEV looks huge
• #25 by sbt on 06 Aug, 2006 00:03
• Ref the two thrust chambers on the LM illustrations
  
  It looks to me as if the LM illustrations may be heavily influenced by packaging issues relating to the proximity of engine(s) and Solar Panels, especially with the panels folded. That arrangement looks to give larger clearances for associated internal structure, rotational joints and power equipment etc. There may also be thermal issues that increase the required clearances between motor components and power systems beyond the purely structural.
  
  Rick
• #26 by MKremer on 06 Aug, 2006 02:42
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  Wolverine - 3/8/2006  8:21 PM
  
  Wow that's a big capsule.  What is that textured material, insulation?

  
  Looks like maybe a simulation of the TPS.
  
• #27 by publiusr on 18 Aug, 2006 19:50
• I think the CEV is lovely.