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SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« on: 10/11/2014 01:35 am »
So, there's this job listing:
http://www.spacex.com/careers/position/5749
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FARMER

 

RESPONSIBILITIES:

Plan finances and production to maintain farm progress against budget parameters
Perform practical farm activities, e.g. driving tractors, operating machinery, spraying fields, etc.
Procure equipment and supplies, e.g. tractors, implements, fertilizer and seed
Perform or arrange for the maintenance and repair of machinery and equipment
Maintain, monitor, and perform actions as necessary to increase the quality of crop yield
Locate and manage outside contractors when necessary, e.g. harvesting, aerial spraying.
Understand the implications of the weather and make contingency plans
Apply health and safety standards across the farm, as well as ensure that farm activities comply with government regulations
Use electronic spreadsheets to keep financial records up to date
Other duties as assigned
 

BASIC QUALIFICATIONS:

Minimum of 10 years of row crop farming experience in the central Texas area which shall include a working knowledge of every process required for crop production in the region
Experience in repair and preventative maintenance of John Deere agricultural equipment
High school diploma or general education degree (GED)
 

PREFERRED SKILLS AND EXPERIENCE:

Valid Class A Commercial Driver’s License
Positive relationships with suppliers and contractors in the area
Texas Applicator License or sufficient requirements necessary to obtain such
 

ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS:

Valid Driver’s License, and a clean driving record
Must be able to climb ladders and work in tight spaces.
Required to exert physical effort in handling objects up to 50 pounds
Required to be exposed to physical environment which involves dirt, odors, noise, weather extremes or similar elements most of the work day
Must be able to work an extremely flexible schedule with extra hours as needed by business demands; typically, SpaceX employees work a minimum 50 hour week.  This position will be required to work around test schedules as necessary to ensure the successful crop production does not interfere with testing progress.
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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #1 on: 10/11/2014 01:51 am »
Is this to manage the herd of space cows we see from time to time, or to supply fresh consumables for the commissary?
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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #2 on: 10/11/2014 01:54 am »
... I like how the job is ITAR restricted...

Well, based on a number of papers I've read by former Soviet economists that were published (shall we say, in the bit more free & open academic environment) after the mid-1990s, it would not surprise me in the least that US agricultural production technology is a tad more advanced.   ;D

Still, hard to imagine any of it on the US Munitions List and subject to ITAR.   :P
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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #3 on: 10/11/2014 01:55 am »
Is this to manage the herd of space cows we see from time to time, or to supply fresh consumables for the commissary?
Row farming, so definitely not cattle.
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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #4 on: 10/11/2014 02:02 am »
I like to think there's a local guy there who's been crazy about space all his life, got real excited about Spacex coming to Texas, and thought 'man, I'd love to work for them, but there's no reason why they'd ever hire a farmer', and now he's just absolutely wetting himself in excitement.

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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #5 on: 10/11/2014 02:18 am »
How much land do they actually own at McGregor.  I always figured that the herd of cattle was grazing on non-SpaceX land.  Are they simply giving out grazing rights?

Maybe the ranchers aren't happy?  Cows that run around a lot have tougher meat, so the ranchers don't want to renew?  If that is their land, they could easily grow corn where the cows currently run.  But they'd just rent the land, unless none of the neighbors farm. 

I'm an Iowa farm boy. You can always find someone to grow corn on your land in Iowa.  Maybe not at McGregor?

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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #6 on: 10/11/2014 02:27 am »
Maybe SpaceX is doing a stealth fence building. Could see rows of maize or something similar on the property perimeter blocking line of sight for nosy photographers.  ;)

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Maybe the ranchers aren't happy?  Cows that run around a lot have tougher meat, so the ranchers don't want to renew?
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From the posts on the SpaceX Texas thread, the Space Cows are not impressed by the rocket testings.  ;D

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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #7 on: 10/11/2014 02:59 am »
All I could think of when I saw this thread is Heinlein's "Farmer in the Sky"!  I read that back in the mid-60's and never forgot it (even if it's a little dated now).
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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #8 on: 10/11/2014 04:10 am »
Obviously Spacex is planning for farming on Mars
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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #9 on: 10/11/2014 04:35 am »
That is truly weird!

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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #10 on: 10/11/2014 04:58 am »
Wow this came out of left field...

My (probably silly) ideas:
They don't specify organic farming or other restrictions so it's not carbon credits or other corporate karma.
Maybe it's a crazy tax dodge because of the rural location. Though why would that be necessary after so long idk.
They have just bought an existing smallholding that they won't use for a few years.
Maybe they are investigating organic sources of methane.
WAG initial research on self sufficiency with relevance to remote colonies, but then they would need botanical researchers as well as farmers.
My best guess: its just for aesthetics, the test land is mostly safe zone and won't get built on, this is more inspiring than running a mower over it every month.

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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #11 on: 10/11/2014 05:05 am »
... I like how the job is ITAR restricted...

I have a couple of thoughts on this.

1) standardized form, that they did not modify, for this farming position.
2)Farmer will be working within the test site fencing & getting closer to the equipment on site, than others outside of the fences.

Pure speculation Perhaps the crops, are to block casual observations at ground level, from outside the  fences when crops are tall enough.

Maybe another feed source, for their local 4 legged (possibly future) Methane producers. As long as the "rocket cows" do not light the after burners when running away from the noise..........  ;)

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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #12 on: 10/11/2014 05:41 am »
SpaceX better be alert. It's one thing to take on Boeing, Lockheed, ULA, etc. But taking on Monsanto? THAT is playing with fire.


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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #13 on: 10/11/2014 06:16 am »
By vigorously farming (with boo coo plowing and chemicals) the land around their future launch site, the chances that an Endangered Species Act critter will take up residence will be greatly reduced.

Don't want the elusive Lower Rio Grande Valley Dung Beetle to nix human colonization of space!   ::)

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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #14 on: 10/11/2014 06:48 am »
I think SpaceX just wants to get more revenue from the land they bought.  This is just like Cincinnati Inc. in Harrison Ohio.  Their factory sits on forty of their 700 acres.  The rest of their land has corn growing on it the last time I looked.  If you look at the machine tools they make http://www.e-ci.com/ why not do some farming on the rest of the land.  SpaceX probably has plenty of land that would otherwise sit idle so why not?
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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #15 on: 10/11/2014 06:49 am »
... I like how the job is ITAR restricted...

I don't!  :P ;)

SpaceX better be alert. It's one thing to take on Boeing, Lockheed, ULA, etc. But taking on Monsanto? THAT is playing with fire.

Monsanto is not what it used to be. Glyphosate patents have expired, I hope SpaceX develops ISRU gadget to produce it. I'd buy one! :)
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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #16 on: 10/11/2014 08:22 am »
I think SpaceX just wants to get more revenue from the land they bought.  This is just like Cincinnati Inc. in Harrison Ohio.  Their factory sits on forty of their 700 acres. 
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This isn't unusual in much of the Midwest. Some do it for profit, others team up with charities for community gardens which supply food banks and needy folks.

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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #17 on: 10/11/2014 11:12 am »
By vigorously farming (with boo coo plowing and chemicals) the land around their future launch site, the chances that an Endangered Species Act critter will take up residence will be greatly reduced.

Don't want the elusive Lower Rio Grande Valley Dung Beetle to nix human colonization of space!   ::)

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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #18 on: 10/11/2014 11:36 am »
One possible explanation: Property Taxes.

Some state and local governments tax real estate at a much lower rate if it is active farm land.  With that kind of tax incentive, it could be cost effective to hire a farmer, even if the proceeds of farming aren't that significant.

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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #19 on: 10/11/2014 12:17 pm »
50 hours per week... Half time job for a farmer.
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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #20 on: 10/11/2014 12:35 pm »
Will the Farmer be a future SpaceX astronaut?  ;D
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I'm guessing they're hiring both for tax incentives/extra land revenue/whatever and to have a farmer around when discussing food production in their future colonies. Or for the actual colonisation part.

The early history of the colonization of the americas is called "the starving time" because they sent too many goldsmiths and almost no one with farming experience. I guess SpaceX doesn't want to replicate that mistake.
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« Reply #21 on: 10/11/2014 01:17 pm »
I got the right guy. Knows farming and handy with tools and rockets. Has his own suit. ;D
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« Reply #22 on: 10/11/2014 01:32 pm »

... and to have a farmer around when discussing food production in their future colonies. Or for the actual colonisation part.

The early history of the colonization of the americas is called "the starving time" because they sent too many goldsmiths and almost no one with farming experience. I guess SpaceX doesn't want to replicate that mistake.

Doubtful.

Traditional farming on Mars would require a huge amount of pressurized volume per person.  A more likely approach to growing food would use hydroponics and strong artificial light.  This would reduce the pressurized volume per person by an order of magnitude or more.

In any case, growing food on Mars will be significantly different than growing food on Earth, so the skills of a typical farmer on Earth will be of little use.
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« Reply #23 on: 10/11/2014 01:40 pm »
The open land around the launch site needs to be maintained. If let alone, it would grow wild and attract critters. They could spray it and kill everything, or they could use it productively. That would enhance the site's image and probably be viewed favorably in the community. They could donate the food and write off the farming activity. It might even garner tax advantages.

Of course, they might be looking forward toward their methalox engine and want to grow the bio feed stock for methane production—rocket fuel.  ;)
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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #24 on: 10/11/2014 01:48 pm »
This posting sounds like it's for the test site, not the launch site.

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« Reply #25 on: 10/11/2014 01:52 pm »
After the recent GH2 incident and smaller fires on the property from other tests, these may be less prone to spread if the fields are properly maintained.
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« Reply #26 on: 10/11/2014 01:56 pm »
The open land around the launch site needs to be maintained. If let alone, it would grow wild and attract critters. They could spray it and kill everything, or they could use it productively. That would enhance the site's image and probably be viewed favorably in the community. They could donate the food and write off the farming activity. It might even garner tax advantages.

Of course, they might be looking forward toward their methalox engine and want to grow the bio feed stock for methane production—rocket fuel.  ;)

This posting sounds like it's for the test site, not the launch site.

Yes, the Job posting clearly says:
Job Location
McGregor, TX, United States


So this has nothing to do with the launch site near Brownsville.

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« Reply #27 on: 10/11/2014 02:11 pm »
Ah. My bad.

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« Reply #28 on: 10/11/2014 02:44 pm »
A wild guess, but in addition to making a bit of money, maintaining grounds etc.. I assume ground cover would absorb a decent amount of ground level noise.

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« Reply #29 on: 10/11/2014 02:52 pm »
At the AIAA Space 2014 conference Lauren Dreyer, SpaceX Director of Business Affairs for McGregor, said the McGregor facility is 1000 acres, average 2 engine tests per day, and has 250 employees.  1000 acres provides a great opportunity to be good stewards of the land and possibly help the local community.

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« Reply #30 on: 10/11/2014 02:52 pm »
Any idea why they want to hire a farmer instead of renting the land to a local farmer?
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« Reply #31 on: 10/11/2014 03:01 pm »
Any idea why they want to hire a farmer instead of renting the land to a local farmer?
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« Reply #32 on: 10/11/2014 03:31 pm »
This thread is just nonsense.  All this fuss because of a farmer job posting?   Are we going to have a similar thread for when they post landscaping jobs for mowing the grass too? 

This is nothing out of the ordinary, KSC still has active orchards that are leased to producers.  Just because it has Spacex on it, somebody has to make a big deal of it. 

If spaceflight is suppose to be routine, then don't make a big of deal of routine items.
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« Reply #33 on: 10/11/2014 03:37 pm »
It's a routine SpaceX thread, Jim.  Why are you making a big deal over it?
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« Reply #34 on: 10/11/2014 03:44 pm »
I think this was mostly meant as a less-than-entirely-serious discussion.
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« Reply #35 on: 10/11/2014 03:45 pm »
Any idea why they want to hire a farmer instead of renting the land to a local farmer?

Potential legal issues if an accident damaged the crops. If they leased the land, the crops belongs to the farmer. If they hire a farmer to tend crops owned by SpaceX, then there's no problem.

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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #36 on: 10/11/2014 06:28 pm »
This thread is just nonsense.  All this fuss because of a farmer job posting?   Are we going to have a similar thread for when they post landscaping jobs for mowing the grass too? 

This is nothing out of the ordinary, KSC still has active orchards that are leased to producers.  Just because it has Spacex on it, somebody has to make a big deal of it. 

If spaceflight is suppose to be routine, then don't make a big of deal of routine items.

Uh I don't think this has anything to do with SpaceX. If Boeing did the same or NASA did the same I think a post would also appear for those. I had not heard that KSC had orchards. It's made more obvious by SpaceX's job postings not being behind a login-wall like many corporations. I can't even find Boeing's job postings without creating an account for example.

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« Reply #37 on: 10/11/2014 07:03 pm »
My theory is that they need a source for the methane for their new rockets; cows are the worlds biggest methane source iirc.
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« Reply #38 on: 10/11/2014 08:04 pm »

Uh I don't think this has anything to do with SpaceX. If Boeing did the same or NASA did the same I think a post would also appear for those. I had not heard that KSC had orchards.

Get real, it has everything to do with Spacex.  Nobody would have posted it if it was done by other organizations.
 Also, VAFB has cultivated fields on it.

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« Reply #39 on: 10/11/2014 08:08 pm »
Must be news since I never knew that there are farming activities in KSC and VAFB.....how are the arrangements done?  :o (especially with VAFB since it is an air force base after all....)
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« Reply #40 on: 10/11/2014 08:17 pm »
Must be news since I never knew that there are farming activities in KSC and VAFB.....how are the arrangements done?  :o (especially with VAFB since it is an air force base after all....)

The orchards on KSC go back to when the center was formed and the gov't bought the land from citrus growers.  It leased the land back to the original owners.

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« Reply #41 on: 10/11/2014 08:46 pm »
Any idea why they want to hire a farmer instead of renting the land to a local farmer?

Potential legal issues if an accident damaged the crops. If they leased the land, the crops belongs to the farmer. If they hire a farmer to tend crops owned by SpaceX, then there's no problem.
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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #42 on: 10/11/2014 09:33 pm »
By vigorously farming (with boo coo plowing and chemicals) the land around their future launch site, the chances that an Endangered Species Act critter will take up residence will be greatly reduced.
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« Reply #43 on: 10/11/2014 10:03 pm »
It will be interesting to see what they find when they do the first harvest, Who knows how many parts F9R exploded into.

I'm guessing that they may lose a tractor or two from debris from F9R.

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« Reply #44 on: 10/11/2014 10:16 pm »

Please put your coffee mugs down ...

With the readily adaptive and innovative culture of SpaceX, I offer this insight.

Note in the job posting:

"Valid Driver’s License, and a clean driving record
Must be able to climb ladders and work in tight spaces. ... Must be able to work an extremely flexible schedule with extra hours as needed ..."

It appears to me SpaceX is recruiting for Dragon 2 flight crew.
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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #45 on: 10/12/2014 12:45 am »

Please put your coffee mugs down ...

With the readily adaptive and innovative culture of SpaceX, I offer this insight.

Note in the job posting:

"Valid Driver’s License, and a clean driving record
Must be able to climb ladders and work in tight spaces. ... Must be able to work an extremely flexible schedule with extra hours as needed ..."

It appears to me SpaceX is recruiting for Dragon 2 flight crew.

It is much easier, to climb a ladder to get into the tractor cab, than climbing up a tire.
Not sure if the tight spaces, is the space within the tractor cab, or meaning not running the tractor, into other co-located equipment (or dropping it into the FH flame trench), at the test site. The flexible schedule, means working around test fires & whatever else as required, in the interest of safety. As the staff, are probably all indoors during a test fire.

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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #46 on: 10/12/2014 03:53 am »
Why would SpaceX hire a farmer instead of leasing the land to one?

Seems like they specifically want the land to be farmed/cultivated, rather than just leased or rented to someone for their own use.

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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #47 on: 10/12/2014 12:13 pm »
Why would SpaceX hire a farmer instead of leasing the land to one?

Again, I suspect this has to do with property tax issues. 

If the owner of the land farms that land, it may be taxed at a much lower rate than if the land were leased.

I seriously doubt SpaceX is hiring a farmer for anything related to Mars.  It's probably just a way of saving taxes.  Boring stuff.


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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #48 on: 10/12/2014 12:16 pm »
Why would SpaceX hire a farmer instead of leasing the land to one?

Seems like they specifically want the land to be farmed/cultivated, rather than just leased or rented to someone for their own use.
Also, if they're farming "inside the gate" then it may be they want to avoid corporate espionage or ITAR issues by having a leaser farm instead.
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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #49 on: 10/12/2014 12:29 pm »
... if they're farming "inside the gate" then it may be they want to avoid corporate espionage or ITAR issues by having a leaser farm instead.

Good point.  The job posting mentions ITAR specifically.

So maybe its property taxes, or ITAR issues, or both.  Probably nothing to do with sending a farmer into space, or anything like that.
« Last Edit: 10/12/2014 12:31 pm by Dave G »

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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #50 on: 10/13/2014 05:58 pm »
Why would SpaceX hire a farmer instead of leasing the land to one?
If the owner of the land farms that land, it may be taxed at a much lower rate than if the land were leased.

No, you would get the same property tax discount even if it were leased, as long as the land is in agricultural (or timber) production. I am a Texas landowner who benefits from exactly the same tax break by leasing my property for agricultural use.

The best guess so far is that the reason to hire rather than lease has to do with ITAR. No way does this have anything to do with agriculture in space or on Mars. The job description is too specific.

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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #51 on: 10/13/2014 07:38 pm »
Why would SpaceX hire a farmer instead of leasing the land to one?
If the owner of the land farms that land, it may be taxed at a much lower rate than if the land were leased.

No, you would get the same property tax discount even if it were leased, as long as the land is in agricultural (or timber) production. I am a Texas landowner who benefits from exactly the same tax break by leasing my property for agricultural use.

The best guess so far is that the reason to hire rather than lease has to do with ITAR. No way does this have anything to do with agriculture in space or on Mars. The job description is too specific.

it specifically says "in tight spaces" and "Space" has many things that are ITAR related, while farm equipment, TMK has zero ITAR related items.

Perhaps SpaceX wants to actually pay a farmer to actually, well, farm in tight spaces rather than make a profit leasing land, where 75% of the profits go to the 10% of farming companies "Payments are going to people in Manhattan who simply have invested in farmland and are about as far away from farmers as one could imagine"?  IOW:  if you lease land, are you still a farmer, or just the middle man?  A corporate farm with thousands of acres in production will receive more than a small-acreage hobby farm

Quote from: FarmerJobResponsibilities
    Must be able to climb ladders and work in tight spaces.
    Required to exert physical effort in handling objects up to 50 pounds
    Required to be exposed to physical environment which involves dirt, odors, noise, weather extremes or similar elements most of the work day
    Must be able to work an extremely flexible schedule with extra hours as needed by business demands; typically, SpaceX employees work a minimum 50 hour week.  This position will be required to work around test schedules as necessary to ensure the successful crop production does not interfere with testing progress.

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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #52 on: 10/13/2014 08:28 pm »
I believe you are really overthinking this. If you read the full list of qualifications, it is clear they are looking for someone who knows everything you need to know to run a farm in central Texas, and has ten years experience doing it. The only question is why, and the most obvious answer is the tax break. It can be quite substantial - even if the farm can barely break even. What's not obvious is why they would want to hire someone as opposed to lease the property to someone.

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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #53 on: 10/13/2014 08:41 pm »
I'm guessing that they may lose a tractor or two from debris from F9R.

Maybe they are planning to pull a plow using grasshopper.

If so they may have trouble finding candidates with experience.

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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #54 on: 10/13/2014 09:00 pm »
Darn, the first SpaceX job I am mostly qualified for but I live (and farmed) in NJ not Texas!  I spent a good portion of my youth farming soybeans... until the grain embargo on the Soviet Union and some family business hijinks sunk us.   This is absolutely for the tax breaks.  If SpaceX buys say 1000 acres of land but doesn't intend on developing a test facility or launch site or office complex for the next 5 years, in order for the land to stay zoned "agricultural" there must be a working farm which produces a certain percentage of the property's income from agricultural activity.  The tax break probably outweighs the income from leasing the land to another farmer, which is why he will become a SpaceX employee.  The income from the crop must go into SpaceX's coffers.  If Texas tax laws are similar to the ones up here, land leased for agriculture is taxed higher than land used by the owner to grow crops himself.  My cousin leases his 80 acres to another farmer but pays higher taxes on the property than when we farmed it as a family business.   
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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #55 on: 10/13/2014 09:14 pm »
Regardless of the mundane explanations, I wouldn't be surprised if they were putting a little twist of relevance on this, such as an experiment in producing bio-sourced kerosene and methane.

I'm sure Elon Musk would prefer to be making some progress toward carbon neutral launch operations.

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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #56 on: 10/13/2014 09:30 pm »
Whilst we all would secretly adore space farmers, it's probably a safe bet to assume that it's a tax thing. Yet just because they can benefit through that particular form of land usage doesn't mean that they're leeching cash actively from the state; it's still an operating farm and as aforementioned - there's any number of ways that SpaceX could use a working farm for its Mars ambitions - to some degree, they are going to need to familiarise themselves with the basic, menial activities of food production. Why not study it practically?

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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #57 on: 10/13/2014 09:31 pm »

Uh I don't think this has anything to do with SpaceX. If Boeing did the same or NASA did the same I think a post would also appear for those. I had not heard that KSC had orchards.

Get real, it has everything to do with Spacex.  Nobody would have posted it if it was done by other organizations.
 Also, VAFB has cultivated fields on it.

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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #58 on: 10/13/2014 09:43 pm »
Why would SpaceX hire a farmer instead of leasing the land to one?

Seems like they specifically want the land to be farmed/cultivated, rather than just leased or rented to someone for their own use.

How 'bout "First Farmer in Space"?

"He drove a tractor and pulled a plow. He turned rocket-blasted black soil in Texas green. Now he's riding a different rig, a red-tailed Dragon, and he's plowing a furrow to the stars!"
« Last Edit: 10/13/2014 09:44 pm by WindyCity »

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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #59 on: 10/13/2014 10:18 pm »
The ITAR requirement is because it's easier to have a policy that *every* SpaceX employee be a "US person" than to set up the systems for segregation.

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Re: SpaceX is hiring a farmer
« Reply #60 on: 10/13/2014 10:29 pm »
Darn, the first SpaceX job I am mostly qualified for but I live (and farmed) in NJ not Texas!  I spent a good portion of my youth farming soybeans... until the grain embargo on the Soviet Union and some family business hijinks sunk us.   This is absolutely for the tax breaks.  If SpaceX buys say 1000 acres of land but doesn't intend on developing a test facility or launch site or office complex for the next 5 years, in order for the land to stay zoned "agricultural" there must be a working farm which produces a certain percentage of the property's income from agricultural activity.  The tax break probably outweighs the income from leasing the land to another farmer, which is why he will become a SpaceX employee.  The income from the crop must go into SpaceX's coffers.  If Texas tax laws are similar to the ones up here, land leased for agriculture is taxed higher than land used by the owner to grow crops himself.  My cousin leases his 80 acres to another farmer but pays higher taxes on the property than when we farmed it as a family business.   
Texas law is a little more liberal. You don't have to be a farmer, or gain a certain amount of income from the land. Generally, you qualify for the exemption if:

1. The land is currently devoted principally to agricultural use, to a degree of intensity that is typical in the area.
2. It must have been used for agriculture or timber production for any five of the preceding seven years.
3. It must not be owned by a foreigner (but it can be owned by a corporation).
4. It's not inside the city limits (in which case, more stringent conditions apply).

Under these conditions, the land is appraised based on its productive capacity in agricultural use, rather than its market price. This generally results in a substantially lower appraisal, and thus provides a significant tax break.

More info: http://www.window.state.tx.us/taxinfo/proptax/pdf/96-300.pdf



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