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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1240 on: 08/08/2018 01:34 PM »
 I may be missing something, so sorry in advance!; but why should NASA pay extra to fly the Boeing test astronaut? [As much as I am thrilled CF is on the flight!- I called for the 2 providers to add their own crew-mwmbers from the start]. Or are they going to say the second NASA astro is the "Extra"?
 Calling these programs commercial is,IMHO, just inaccurate: maybe a new term needs to be invented!

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1241 on: 08/08/2018 01:40 PM »
I may be missing something, so sorry in advance!; but why should NASA pay extra to fly the Boeing test astronaut? [As much as I am thrilled CF is on the flight!- I called for the 2 providers to add their own crew-mwmbers from the start]. Or are they going to say the second NASA astro is the "Extra"?

I believe he was referring to the proposal that turns CFT into a crew rotation flight, 6 months stay at ISS. In which case I assume the Boeing test astronaut will be replaced by a NASA astronaut.
« Last Edit: 08/08/2018 01:46 PM by su27k »

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1242 on: 08/08/2018 01:43 PM »
I may be missing something, so sorry in advance!; but why should NASA pay extra to fly the Boeing test astronaut? [As much as I am thrilled CF is on the flight!- I called for the 2 providers to add their own crew-mwmbers from the start]. Or are they going to say the second NASA astro is the "Extra"?
 Calling these programs commercial is,IMHO, just inaccurate: maybe a new term needs to be invented!

IMO, This because Boeing would be selling a seat that they have from Roscosmos, providing Training, & Logistics for that Seat for a 6 month Rotation. Their cost goes up the CCtCAP goes up. "Commercial". Its not about the money. Its about getting Astronauts independently to ISS from U.S. on U.S. Rockets safe & timely manner. I am sure the Cosmonauts & U.S. Partner Astronauts are also eagerly waiting to fly on Commercial Crew Vehicles as well.

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1243 on: 08/08/2018 01:47 PM »
I may be missing something, so sorry in advance!; but why should NASA pay extra to fly the Boeing test astronaut? [As much as I am thrilled CF is on the flight!- I called for the 2 providers to add their own crew-mwmbers from the start]. Or are they going to say the second NASA astro is the "Extra"?

I believe he was referring to the proposal that turns CFT into a crew rotation flight, 6 months stay at IIS. In which case I assume the Boeing test astronaut will be replaced by a NASA astronaut.

I don't think so, Chris Ferguson is a trained Astronaut and their is plenty for him to do. He just might get paid more for it. :D

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1244 on: 08/08/2018 02:05 PM »
I may be missing something, so sorry in advance!; but why should NASA pay extra to fly the Boeing test astronaut? [As much as I am thrilled CF is on the flight!- I called for the 2 providers to add their own crew-mwmbers from the start]. Or are they going to say the second NASA astro is the "Extra"?

I believe he was referring to the proposal that turns CFT into a crew rotation flight, 6 months stay at ISS. In which case I assume the Boeing test astronaut will be replaced by a NASA astronaut.

I think that you are right, Chris Ferguson is no longer a NASA astronaut. If he stayed 6 months on the ISS, he would have to pay for his stay. Plus, if there is already 4 astronauts on the CST-100, there would be no need for a fifth one. But right now the plan is for a short stay at the ISS and only 2 NASA astronauts (plus Chris Ferguson).

Incidentally, SpaceX also had the option of having test pilots on its demo flight but declined to do so. Under the CCtCap request for proposals, the demo flight wasn't required to go to the ISS or even have NASA astronauts. But a number of people in Congress felt that if the demo flight was going to go the ISS, it had to have some NASA astronauts on board.
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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1245 on: 08/08/2018 02:51 PM »
Well, so much for diversity....

Yeah, every one of them is a military pilot.
Which presents a challenge when crew diversity is a goal.
https://www.stripes.com/lifestyle/despite-recruitment-efforts-few-black-pilots-land-in-air-force-navy-cockpits-1.11138

http://userpages.aug.com/captbarb/pilots.html

Given these statistics, and the apparent desire to use military pilots, I think NASA did well to put together this group.

 - Ed Kyle
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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1246 on: 08/08/2018 05:21 PM »
I may be missing something, so sorry in advance!; but why should NASA pay extra to fly the Boeing test astronaut? [As much as I am thrilled CF is on the flight!- I called for the 2 providers to add their own crew-mwmbers from the start]. Or are they going to say the second NASA astro is the "Extra"?

I believe he was referring to the proposal that turns CFT into a crew rotation flight, 6 months stay at ISS. In which case I assume the Boeing test astronaut will be replaced by a NASA astronaut.

No.  Boeing's crewed test flight always came with a Boeing astronaut.  SpaceX could have as well but chose not too.  In fact, originally NASA astronauts did not way to fly on uncertified vehicles until they realized that people other than them would be flying into space.  So NASA then fought that the second astronaut would be a NASA one even though the flight is uncertified.  But Ferguson will be going regardless.

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1247 on: 08/08/2018 05:22 PM »
I may be missing something, so sorry in advance!; but why should NASA pay extra to fly the Boeing test astronaut? [As much as I am thrilled CF is on the flight!- I called for the 2 providers to add their own crew-mwmbers from the start]. Or are they going to say the second NASA astro is the "Extra"?

I believe he was referring to the proposal that turns CFT into a crew rotation flight, 6 months stay at ISS. In which case I assume the Boeing test astronaut will be replaced by a NASA astronaut.

I think that you are right, Chris Ferguson is no longer a NASA astronaut. If he stayed 6 months on the ISS, he would have to pay for his stay. Plus, if there is already 4 astronauts on the CST-100, there would be no need for a fifth one. But right now the plan is for a short stay at the ISS and only 2 NASA astronauts (plus Chris Ferguson).

Incidentally, SpaceX also had the option of having test pilots on its demo flight but declined to do so. Under the CCtCap request for proposals, the demo flight wasn't required to go to the ISS or even have NASA astronauts. But a number of people in Congress felt that if the demo flight was going to go the ISS, it had to have some NASA astronauts on board.

Not correct.  In fact, since a Boeing astronaut is part of the package it is more like Boeing selling his time.  It is NASA saying they want a longer flight so they have to provide the supplies etc.

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1248 on: 08/10/2018 04:24 AM »
I may be missing something, so sorry in advance!; but why should NASA pay extra to fly the Boeing test astronaut? [As much as I am thrilled CF is on the flight!- I called for the 2 providers to add their own crew-mwmbers from the start]. Or are they going to say the second NASA astro is the "Extra"?

I believe he was referring to the proposal that turns CFT into a crew rotation flight, 6 months stay at ISS. In which case I assume the Boeing test astronaut will be replaced by a NASA astronaut.

I think that you are right, Chris Ferguson is no longer a NASA astronaut. If he stayed 6 months on the ISS, he would have to pay for his stay. Plus, if there is already 4 astronauts on the CST-100, there would be no need for a fifth one. But right now the plan is for a short stay at the ISS and only 2 NASA astronauts (plus Chris Ferguson).

Incidentally, SpaceX also had the option of having test pilots on its demo flight but declined to do so. Under the CCtCap request for proposals, the demo flight wasn't required to go to the ISS or even have NASA astronauts. But a number of people in Congress felt that if the demo flight was going to go the ISS, it had to have some NASA astronauts on board.

Not correct.  In fact, since a Boeing astronaut is part of the package it is more like Boeing selling his time.  It is NASA saying they want a longer flight so they have to provide the supplies etc.

OK, I stand corrected then but that would mean 5 astronauts on the CFT flight (assuming that the CFT is required for normal crew rotation). Although it is possible, 5 seems like a crowd (on the spacecraft and ISS).
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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1249 on: 08/10/2018 04:27 PM »

OK, I stand corrected then but that would mean 5 astronauts on the CFT flight (assuming that the CFT is required for normal crew rotation). Although it is possible, 5 seems like a crowd (on the spacecraft and ISS).

Starliner can handle 7 passengers like Crew Dragon, but wouldn't really need it, there was passenger transport concept showing they could handle 9 with retrofit.  ISS can handle 8 crew and with Commercial Crew they will from 6 to 7 crews, Russians might stick with 2 during that time so that would free up a bunk. so not really big deal other than logistics of getting their supplies up there for their mission if they go that route.

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