Author Topic: Commercial Crew - Discussion Thread 1 (Read 656550 times)

yg1968 · « **Reply #540 on:** 12/22/2014 07:20 pm »

It's not entirely clear to me but I think that SpaceX has completed CDR with the completion of milestones 13D. Reisman had stated in a presentation that 13B had been completed and the November commercial crew update seems to imply that 13C has happened.

mme · « **Reply #541 on:** 01/05/2015 06:36 pm »

From a tweet by James Dean:

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U.S. GAO has denied Sierra Nevada bid protest of NASA's Commercial Crew contract awards to Boeing, SpaceX.

Followed by:

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GAO "found no undue emphasis" on NASA’s consideration of proposed schedules or likelihood of meeting 2017 goal.

And one more with link to the GAO statement:

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Link to GAO statement on SNC bid protest: http://1.usa.gov/17drs5q .

yg1968 · « **Reply #542 on:** 01/05/2015 08:14 pm »

NASA's reaction to the GAO's decision on the SNC protest:
http://www.nasa.gov/exploration/commercial/crew/index.html#.VKroLSvF-Ag

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"The GAO has notified NASA that it has denied Sierra Nevada Corporation's protest of the Commercial Crew Transportation Capability contract awards. NASA is pleased the GAO's decision allows the agency to move forward and continue working with Boeing and SpaceX on the Launch America initiative that will enable safe and reliable crew transportation to and from the International Space Station on American spacecraft launched from the United States, ending the nation's sole reliance on Russia for such transportation. The case remains under the protective order and blackout until the GAO releases its decision."

Read the GAO's full statement on its ruling at:

http://www.gao.gov/press/pr_statement_sierra_nevada_bid_protest.htm

vt_hokie · « **Reply #543 on:** 01/05/2015 08:25 pm »

Did SNC ever stand a chance once it was awarded the "half" award in the last round? And if not, why did we even waste taxpayer dollars funding the charade?

yg1968 · « **Reply #544 on:** 01/05/2015 08:36 pm »

Quote from: vt_hokie on 01/05/2015 08:25 pm

Did SNC ever stand a chance once it was awarded the "half" award in the last round? And if not, why did we even waste taxpayer dollars funding the charade?

The full decision by the GAO hasn't been released yet. So it's hard to criticize it without having read it. But I kind of agree with SNC that too much emphasis was put on the 2017 target date in the selection statement. SNC is behind because it received a half award for CCiCap and it seems that SNC lost out in CCtCap because it was behind Boeing and SpaceX (both of which received full awards under CCiCap).

dglow · « **Reply #545 on:** 01/05/2015 08:49 pm »

Quote from: vt_hokie on 01/05/2015 08:25 pm

Did SNC ever stand a chance once it was awarded the "half" award in the last round? And if not, why did we even waste taxpayer dollars funding the charade?

Did SNC ever stand a chance one it became apparent DC's prop system required a do-over? Straw, meet camel.

Comga · « **Reply #546 on:** 01/05/2015 09:43 pm »

Quote from: yg1968 on 01/05/2015 08:46 pm

SNC Press release on GAO decision:

http://www.sncspace.com/press_more_info.php?id=422

From the press release (with my emphasis):

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The company is privileged to have been part of NASA’s Commercial Space Program since its inception over 8 years ago. SNC remains fully committed to being a part of returning world-class human spaceflight and enhanced cargo capabilities to low-Earth orbit.

Does their use of the past tense indicate that they will not be going after the remaining milestones in the old contract, such as the next free flight?

mkent · « **Reply #547 on:** 01/05/2015 10:27 pm »

Quote from: Comga on 01/05/2015 09:43 pm

From the press release (with my emphasis):
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The company is privileged to have been part of NASA’s Commercial Space Program since its inception over 8 years ago. SNC remains fully committed to being a part of returning world-class human spaceflight and enhanced cargo capabilities to low-Earth orbit.

Does their use of the past tense indicate that they will not be going after the remaining milestones in the old contract, such as the next free flight?

I think you're reading too much into it. I think they're just saying that they are unlikely to move forward within the Commercial Crew program.

I see no reason why they wouldn't complete all the tasks that they are on-contract to do and collect the money for it. There is only up-side to do that, no down-side.

abaddon · « **Reply #548 on:** 01/05/2015 10:37 pm »

Quote from: vt_hokie on 01/05/2015 08:25 pm

Did SNC ever stand a chance once it was awarded the "half" award in the last round?

If either Boeing or SpaceX had fumbled the ball, yes.

ChrisWilson68 · « **Reply #549 on:** 01/06/2015 01:32 am »

Quote from: vt_hokie on 01/05/2015 08:25 pm

Did SNC ever stand a chance once it was awarded the "half" award in the last round? And if not, why did we even waste taxpayer dollars funding the charade?

SNC was always choice number 3. But it wasn't a waste to fund them because choice number 1 or number 2 could have faltered and SNC could have moved in to replace that contractor.

Quote from: mkent on 01/05/2015 10:27 pm

I see no reason why they wouldn't complete all the tasks that they are on-contract to do and collect the money for it. There is only up-side to do that, no down-side.

There's a simple reason they might not: if the cost to them to complete the milestone is greater than the payment they would receive for it.

llanitedave · « **Reply #550 on:** 01/06/2015 05:38 am »

Quote from: ChrisWilson68 on 01/06/2015 01:32 am

SNC was always choice number 3. But it wasn't a waste to fund them because choice number 1 or number 2 could have faltered and SNC could have moved in to replace that contractor.

Yep. Like Kistler's contract going to Orbital after it failed.

docmordrid · « **Reply #551 on:** 01/08/2015 05:32 am »

SpaceX passes CBR

Link....

woods170 · « **Reply #552 on:** 01/08/2015 06:08 am »

Quote from: docmordrid on 01/08/2015 05:32 am

SpaceX passes CBR

Link....

That's slightly old news and was reported in the appropriate SpaceX thread. Also of note: SpaceX did this within three weeks of Boeing doing exactly the same.

abaddon · « **Reply #553 on:** 01/08/2015 03:30 pm »

Quote from: woods170 on 01/08/2015 06:08 am

That's slightly old news and was reported in the appropriate SpaceX thread. Also of note: SpaceX did this within three weeks of Boeing doing exactly the same.

I agree it is a bit old news, but are you saying that SpaceX passing the first CCtCAP milestone is not relevant in the Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) discussion thread?

woods170 · « **Reply #554 on:** 01/08/2015 03:47 pm »

Quote from: abaddon on 01/08/2015 03:30 pm

Quote from: woods170 on 01/08/2015 06:08 am
That's slightly old news and was reported in the appropriate SpaceX thread. Also of note: SpaceX did this within three weeks of Boeing doing exactly the same.

I agree it is a bit old news, but are you saying that SpaceX passing the first CCtCAP milestone is not relevant in the Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) discussion thread?

You do realize there are dedicated threads for both Dragon2 and CST-100? Most of the milestones are reported primarily in those dedicated threads.

abaddon · « **Reply #555 on:** 01/08/2015 03:59 pm »

Quote from: woods170 on 01/08/2015 03:47 pm

You do realize there are dedicated threads for both Dragon2 and CST-100? Most of the milestones are reported primarily in those dedicated threads.

Of course, but that doesn't make it not relevant here. Thread overlap is a common thing. But, I'm not going to bother arguing further about this, it seems we just don't agree.

yg1968 · « **Reply #556 on:** 02/26/2015 05:22 pm »

SpaceX's redacted CCtCap contract has been released (but Boeing not yet). See this thread:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=36899.0

bulkmail · « **Reply #557 on:** 03/05/2015 05:00 pm »

Both SpaceX and Boeing CCtCap contracts are published (with blackout redactions):

https://blogs.nasa.gov/commercialcrew/2015/03/03/cctcap-contracts-available-online/

At Parabolicarc they have extracted the milestones, but I'm unsure about what this forum policy about links to other sites is.

QuantumG · « **Reply #558 on:** 03/05/2015 08:04 pm »

Quote from: bulkmail on 03/05/2015 05:00 pm

At Parabolicarc they have extracted the milestones, but I'm unsure about what this forum policy about links to other sites is.

There's no problem. We do it all the time.

ngilmore · « **Reply #559 on:** 03/05/2015 08:17 pm »

Well, apparently the redactions indicate order of magnitude.