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Offline RandyP

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1220 on: 08/02/2018 08:29 pm »
Why is NASA only naming 8 astronauts for the first 4 flights?
I see the two on DM-2 and two on CFT-1 plus Ferguson, but aren't the post certification flights part of crew rotation.  In which case I would expect 3 astronauts plus one Russian for each of the PCM flights?
So 10 astronauts?

Where are you getting 8 from?  It should be 2 on DM-2, 1 or 2 plus Ferguson on CFT (unless they exercise the extended mission option), and then 4 total (at least 2 from NASA) on each of the PCM flights.

I got the number 8 from a Business Insider article and it does say "at least 8"
https://www.businessinsider.com/nasa-commercial-crew-spacex-boeing-astronaut-selection-2018-7?amp%3Butm_medium=referral

So are these first PCM flights going to have a total crew of 4 (NASA, Russian, and International Partner)?

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1221 on: 08/03/2018 04:44 pm »
You would also have one Russian and one international astronauts on each of the PCM flight?

To be negotiated...

and as always "it's complicated" in the case of the Russians.

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1222 on: 08/03/2018 04:50 pm »
Well, so much for diversity...…….

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1223 on: 08/03/2018 04:51 pm »
NASA announces astronaut crews for first commercial vehicle flights.

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1224 on: 08/03/2018 04:55 pm »
There has been an AMA going on with the astronauts on reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/94aqd7/were_going_to_be_the_first_us_astronauts_to/

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1225 on: 08/03/2018 05:15 pm »
Quote from: NASA
Additional crew members will be assigned by NASA’s international partners at a later date.

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-assigns-crews-to-first-test-flights-missions-on-commercial-spacecraft
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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1226 on: 08/03/2018 05:19 pm »
Well, so much for diversity...…….

Yeah, every one of them is a military pilot.

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1227 on: 08/03/2018 05:38 pm »
Well, so much for diversity...…….

Yeah, every one of them is a military pilot.

There is some logic in having military pilots on the first flights of a spacecraft.

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1228 on: 08/03/2018 06:16 pm »
Well, so much for diversity...…….
Yeah, every one of them is a military pilot.
There is some logic in having military pilots on the first flights of a spacecraft.

Yes, though it is presumably a bit of a coincidence that the four astronauts assigned to the Post Certification Missions are also military, just as it is a bit of a coincidence that all three NASA astronauts currently serving on the ISS as part of Expedition 56 are civilian.

And speaking of those PCMs, with Josh Cassada and Suni Williams assigned to the Boeing flight and Victor Glover and Mike Hopkins assigned to the SpaceX flight, that has effectively assigned them to the upcoming ISS Expeditions ... would it be 61/62 & 63/64?  When are we likely to find out which Expeditions the particular astronauts are assigned to (this should be clear from their training schedules, shouldn't it?) and thus know which PCM is scheduled first?

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1229 on: 08/03/2018 06:31 pm »
When are we likely to find out which Expeditions the particular astronauts are assigned to

I'm interested to see how they demarcate Expeditions going forwards, since there's no particular reason that Russian crew rotations would have to remain in sync with US/ESA/CSA/JAXA rotations.

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1230 on: 08/03/2018 08:30 pm »
When are we likely to find out which Expeditions the particular astronauts are assigned to

I'm interested to see how they demarcate Expeditions going forwards, since there's no particular reason that Russian crew rotations would have to remain in sync with US/ESA/CSA/JAXA rotations.

My understanding is that even though the US plans to do overlapping hand-overs with its
6 monthly crew rotation the Russians still plan to do their  hand-overs as non-overlapping.
This means that to ensure that there is always at least 1 USOS and 1 Russian on the ISS
at all times in case of emergency, then there would be 1 Russian on each US crew launch and 1 USOS
member on each Soyuz launch. Consequently the increments would remain synchronized.
This is the pattern that will be used when the USOS crew goes to 4 members.

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1231 on: 08/03/2018 08:48 pm »
Quote from: Hopper
Our background as test pilots and engineers was a consideration for this stage of these new vehicles. As far as other factors, you'll have to ask our boss! - Hopper

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/94aqd7/were_going_to_be_the_first_us_astronauts_to/e3jnds6/

Quote from: Doug
One of the reasons that we are in this position is because we have a background in flight test and space flying experience. We're able to adapt to a lot of different ways to operate a spacecraft. There is a significant collaboration between NASA and the companies to make these vehicles operate with relative ease. There is a constant feedback loop with regard to changes and improvements that might help in this goal. Each of us will specialize in one capsule before flying - Doug

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/94aqd7/were_going_to_be_the_first_us_astronauts_to/e3jnm7l/

Quote from: Suni
The the astronaut office asks us if we have a preference, and they take that into consideration, but there are other factors like what the mission will entail and the level of experience. -Suni

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1232 on: 08/03/2018 10:40 pm »
You would also have one Russian and one international astronauts on each of the PCM flight?

To be negotiated...

and as always "it's complicated" in the case of the Russians.

Are they balking at $82M per seat?
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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1233 on: 08/03/2018 11:05 pm »
Quote from: Bob
The exact length for the first SpaceX flight is still being worked out. ISS is a busy place, so we have to make way for other traffic too. Right now we are expecting 2 weeks to 30 days. -Bob

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Quote from: Bob
Q: Is there a bathroom on the new commercial flights? dragon and starliner crew

A: For Dragon, yes. -Bob

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1234 on: 08/03/2018 11:09 pm »
You would also have one Russian and one international astronauts on each of the PCM flight?

To be negotiated...

and as always "it's complicated" in the case of the Russians.

Are they balking at $82M per seat?

It's barter. They get a seat on commercial crew in exchange for a Soyuz seat.

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1235 on: 08/03/2018 11:11 pm »
Quote from: Doug
I wouldn't say there are any major differences. It's more subtle. The way they are laid out and how they operate are slightly different. For example, the Starliner has three seats in row and one at the feet of the other three, while the Dragon has all four seats in a row. - Doug

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/94aqd7/were_going_to_be_the_first_us_astronauts_to/e3jmppi/
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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1236 on: 08/03/2018 11:21 pm »
Quote from: Bob
Q: would you please explain does SpaceX'es helmet visor open?

A:
The visor does open. We normally have it open on our way to the pad, but closed for launch and for entry. -Bob

Quote from: Doug
Yes. There's two push buttons about where your chin is. They allow it to pop open whenever you need it to. - Doug

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/94aqd7/were_going_to_be_the_first_us_astronauts_to/e3jm7wq/

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1237 on: 08/03/2018 11:35 pm »
Quote from: Bob
Q:
To both the Starliner and Dragon crews. Will you be given the chance to fly the spacecrafts manually at some point during the missions or is it so heavily automated at this point that you wont get that opportunity? Congratulations and good luck on your missions!

A:
The details are still being worked out, but during the test flights, we expect to perform some checkout of all systems, including the manual flying! -Bob

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1238 on: 08/03/2018 11:52 pm »
Quote from: Doug
Q: I'm a tall person who would love to travel to space someday. Do you know the max height for Crew Dragon and the CST-100 Starliner?

A: My friend and Canadian astronaut Jeremy Hansen is a pretty tall guy and he fits in both vehicles. - Doug

[For reference, Jeremy Hansen is about 6'2" (according to CBC).]

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1239 on: 08/08/2018 12:57 pm »
Eric Berger mentioned on Off Nominal podcast that he heard Boeing will be charging NASA $110M if NASA chose to add a 3rd astronaut to CFT.

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