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Q&A with ULA's Dr. George Sowers per ULA/Blue Origin announcement
by
Chris Bergin
on 20 Sep, 2014 18:11
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ULA's George Sowers - VP, Strategic Architecture & Advanced Programs at ULA - United Launch Alliance - Lockheed Martin & Boeing - has agreed to a Q&A session with members of the NSF forum, relative to the Blue Origin announcement. Dr. Sowers has been leading this activity for ULA.
Keep your questions to single points, one question, per each member, in one post, so as not to overload. They need to be on topic.
First questions can be posted below. Dr. Sowers will be around this weekend and early next week to answer them.
Resulting quotes are obviously copyright to NSF. (I'll be looking to create an article from anything interesting at a later point).
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#1
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Kryten
on 20 Sep, 2014 18:14
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When did ULA become involved with BE-4, and what was the basic reasoning behind becoming involved?
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#2
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Joel
on 20 Sep, 2014 18:23
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First of all, really happy to see this development! In addition to the engine cooperation between ULA and Blue origin, are there any plans to cooperate on other areas? For example on reusable rocket boosters?[/size]
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#3
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quanthasaquality
on 20 Sep, 2014 18:26
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Didn't Atlas V vs Delta IV show that kerolox first stage with expensive engine is cheaper than hydrolox first stage with cheap engine? Why compromise with methalox?
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#4
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dkovacic
on 20 Sep, 2014 18:26
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Why did ULA choose to anandon RP-1 and switch to methane?
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#5
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david1971
on 20 Sep, 2014 18:31
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What will be the major milestones for this project, and what is the associated timeline?
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#6
by
Space Ghost 1962
on 20 Sep, 2014 18:32
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Is ULA pursuing multiple complementary strategies, paralleling Delta IV (hydrolox) and Atlas V, with these changes? Specifically how much is a BO derivative following the Atlas V Phase 1/2 direction changes like 5 meter first stage, and how much of existing Atlas V 4 meter is retained?
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#7
by
Hauerg
on 20 Sep, 2014 18:37
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Is a modified/new upper stage part of the current trade studies?
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#8
by
sdsds
on 20 Sep, 2014 18:40
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Is ULA planning continued use of the Atlas V solids with its new launch vehicle?
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#9
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RonM
on 20 Sep, 2014 18:41
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Will the switch to BE-4 methane engines enable later versions of Atlas to be reusable?
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#10
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Ronsmytheiii
on 20 Sep, 2014 18:42
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Can you give a status update for ULA's Integrated Vehicle Fluids program?
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#11
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arachnitect
on 20 Sep, 2014 18:43
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Thank you for answering questions Dr. Sowers.
You may not be able to share much about it, but I'd be very interested to hear anything you can say about the evolution of ULA launch vehicles that will be using this engine. Is this the beginning of a common launch vehicle family?
Congratulations on starting a new program and good luck as well working with Boeing on CCtCap.
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#12
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butters
on 20 Sep, 2014 18:46
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What is the expected timeframe for Blue Atlas, and how does that compare to the schedule for the XCOR-powered upper stage? Is ULA committed to seeing both of these projects through to operational status?
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#13
by
R7
on 20 Sep, 2014 18:48
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What kind of various flight configurations will the new LV feature?
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#14
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tesla
on 20 Sep, 2014 18:56
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Will the redesigned Launch Vehicle(s) be known by a new name, other than Atlas 5?
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#15
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bubbagret
on 20 Sep, 2014 19:01
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What potential synergies, if any, do you see between the Blue Origin/ULA partnership decision and other programs, such as DARPA XS-1? Does this decision better position BO/ULA as a more attractive prospect in relation to, or even to potentially take the lead in any other potential programs?
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#16
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Hyperion5
on 20 Sep, 2014 19:05
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Will ULA also use the Blue Origin BE-3 engine for the upper stage, or will there be an open competition for the upper stage engine?
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#17
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DGH
on 20 Sep, 2014 19:06
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Are you planning on the same payload to GTO as Atlas or larger?
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#18
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Chris Bergin
on 20 Sep, 2014 19:10
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One question each. Ask four and your post will be edited to the first.
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#19
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robertross
on 20 Sep, 2014 19:13
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Thanks for doing this!
What are the expected pad modifications required to support this new family of launch vehicles?
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#20
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kevin-rf
on 20 Sep, 2014 19:21
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Dr. Sowers, thank you for taking the time. Hope things are progressing well.
One question, the current engine compartment (boat tail?) is a smaller diameter than the current Atlas V tanks (but I think the same diameter as the prior Atlas III tanks), will the new vehicle (Does it have an official name?) use a similar design and be able to use the exist mobile launch platform and VIF without modification (even if larger, say 5m tanks are used)?
Again, thank you
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#21
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edkyle99
on 20 Sep, 2014 19:22
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Is ULA's intention to create a common booster core that would serve, or replace, both Atlas and Delta?
- Ed Kyle
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#22
by
BrightLight
on 20 Sep, 2014 19:29
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Will the composite tankage presently being tested for SLS by Boeing and NASA be used on a rocket based upon the ULA/Blue Origin engines?
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#23
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TrevorMonty
on 20 Sep, 2014 19:43
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Blue Origin are planning their own RLV based on BE4. Will they fly it from ULA launch facilities?
PS congratulations on ULA's new exciting future.
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#24
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cosmiste
on 20 Sep, 2014 19:46
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How throtteable will be the BE-4 on the new Atlas X ?
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#25
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tobi453
on 20 Sep, 2014 19:54
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Will the next generation ULA launch vehicle also get a new upper stage or a RL-10 replacement?
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#26
by
2552
on 20 Sep, 2014 20:12
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Is a 3-core Heavy version of the BE-4 vehicle being studied?
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#27
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DaveS
on 20 Sep, 2014 22:27
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How are you planning to handle this new vehicle re: ground systems with the minimum amount of disruption to the existing Atlas V pads at VAFB and CCAFS? I'm thinking in terms of schedule impacts.
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#28
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Falcon H
on 20 Sep, 2014 23:17
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Will the new launch vehicle be reusable, or designed with reusability in mind?
Thank you!
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#29
by
HIP2BSQRE
on 20 Sep, 2014 23:22
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The USAF recently issued a RFI looking for a replacement engine for the RD-180. The RFI calls for "a replacement engine with similar performance characteristics to currently used engines, alternative configurations that would provide similar performance (such as a multiple engine configuration) to existing EELV-class systems, and use of alternative launch vehicles for EELV-class systems." What do you see as the potential impact of this RFI and possibly RFP for ULA and your recent announcement with Blue Origin? The AF may be looking at a national engine/rocket competition that includes Blue Origin but also SpaceX and wants the new engine to be available commercial to any of the US rocket builders.
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#30
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dglow
on 20 Sep, 2014 23:42
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The BE-4 is being described as a LOX+LNG engine – not methane. Is this distinction important to ULA and Blue Origin and, if so, how?
And thank you for your time and attention.
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#31
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 20 Sep, 2014 23:57
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With rocket stage re-usability being the "hot thing" of rocketry recently, are there any plans and studies inside ULA to make this new LV reusable? If so, are there any plans that ULA would co-operate with Blue Origin to develop that capability?
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#32
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 00:11
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Wow! Thanks for all the great questions. But before I dive in, a few general comments.
It was a great week for ULA. In fact, the 24 hours starting with the NASA commercial crew announcement and finishing with a reception we held with Blue at the National Geographic Museum in DC was probably the best day ever.
Starting with Boeing being announced as one of the commercial crew winners, this was very emotional for me. Despite being deeply disappointed for Sierra Nevada and all my friends up there, we are now FINALLY going to get to fly human on Atlas again!! It has been a 15 year odyssey for me. At LM, I led the Atlas efforts on OSP which was baselined on EELV. Then there were the dark days when talking about humans on Atlas was heresy. Almost fired on several occasions... Then helping get the commercial crew program started and nurturing it through the interminable steps of CCdev1, CCdev2, CCiCap and now CCtCap. Whew! Rocket science is the easy part...
Then we had the successful launch of CLIO. Launching at the
last second of the window is even harder than launching at the first second of the window.
Then the great day we had with the Blue announcement. It feels fantastic to be back in the vehicle development game again. I've attached some eye candy. We had this as a full scale banner for a backdrop of the dais at the reception.
I have been very impressed with the speculation about our vehicle plans on the other thread. Some of it is pretty close to the mark.
Lastly, the great folks at Blue Origin don't like the acronym BO for obvious reasons. They like "Blue" for short.
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#33
by
rcoppola
on 21 Sep, 2014 00:20
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See if I can squeeze this in...Will this engine be baselined for Boeing's Commercial Crew Contracts?
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#34
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 00:22
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When did ULA become involved with BE-4, and what was the basic reasoning behind becoming involved?
We've been working with Blue for many years. I remember giving Jeff Bezos a tour of the Atlas factory in Denver a year before ULA. We were on their CCdev team from the very beginning. In term of the BE-4, ULA started doing serious propulsion trades over a year ago. The BE-4 was in the mix from the beginning. We turned up the gain substantially as the political situation in Ukraine deteriorated. Blue was one of the companies we put on contract back in June (recall our press release at that time).
Reasoning is straight forward. We were looking at alternatives and the BE-4 was a very-very credible option, despite the fact that nothing was publically known.
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#35
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 00:25
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First of all, really happy to see this development! In addition to the engine cooperation between ULA and Blue origin, are there any plans to cooperate on other areas? For example on reusable rocket boosters?[/size]
Our joint investment in the development of the BE-4 is just the start of a long term partnership. We are in discussions about other collaborations including reusability ideas.
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#36
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 00:45
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Didn't Atlas V vs Delta IV show that kerolox first stage with expensive engine is cheaper than hydrolox first stage with cheap engine? Why compromise with methalox?
There are several questions on the fuel choice for the BE-4. I'll try to answer all of them here.
I like to think of methane as being about halfway in between hydrogen and RP. It's about half the density of RP but twice that of hydrogen. There are many benefits of methane as a fuel which are outlined in Blue's public fact sheet. Those are all attractive to ULA. Since ULA fields both hydrogen and RP boosters today, accommodating methane is well within our capabilities.
But we didn't make our decision based on fuel. We did a system level comparison of all our options including both technical and business considerations. Both non-recurring and recurring cost were major drivers. The total package won us over.
As to the question of LNG vs methane, it's kind of a distinction without a difference. LNG is a commercially available commodity which is typically >95% methane. The engine is being developed and qualified with LNG. We felt using the term LNG emphasizes the commercial, low cost nature of our mindset as we develop this engine.
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#37
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 01:12
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What will be the major milestones for this project, and what is the associated timeline?
Major milestones were in our press release and FAQ: Power pack testing begins this year. Full scale engine development testing in 2016 and first ULA flight in 2019.
The power pack is essentially the entire engine sans combustion chamber. Preburner, boost pump, lox and fuel pumps. Testing to begin within weeks at Blue's west Texas site. The hardware is being finished in Kent as we speak. Beautiful stuff built on the most state of the art tools imaginable. A 3-d printed mock up of the power pack is on the test stand being used to finish facility plumbing and instrumentation. Sweet.
BTW, touring the BE-4 test facility back in February pushed me over the top. 1Mlb+ capable stand, 60ft tall run tanks for Lox and LNG, massive, brand new, state of the art, and 100% private. Pic is on Blue's factsheet. If you look close you can see a pick-up truck for scale.
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#38
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 01:22
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Is ULA pursuing multiple complementary strategies, paralleling Delta IV (hydrolox) and Atlas V, with these changes? Specifically how much is a BO derivative following the Atlas V Phase 1/2 direction changes like 5 meter first stage, and how much of existing Atlas V 4 meter is retained?
As my boss Tory Bruno said in Wednesday's press conference, the vehicle announcement will be before the end of the year. My team is working hard to get there.
That being said, the lower density of LNG compared to RP implies more volume for the booster. Do the math, as several have started to do on the other thread.
The beauty of having two fully certified systems in our fleet is that we can be very deliberate about how we introduce new systems and capabilities. Given the criticality of the payloads we launch, deliberation and prudence is a necessity. The rule of wing walking: never let go of what you have until you have a firm grasp on the future.
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#39
by
baldusi
on 21 Sep, 2014 01:26
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How does this work integrates with the Common Upper Stage and IVF? Does BE-3 is a possible option for it or you're thinking more of EELV/CUS and then BE-4 boosters/CUS and then a possible BE-4 Boosters / New Upper Stage? A sort of Tick-tock strategy.
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#40
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 02:08
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Is a modified/new upper stage part of the current trade studies?
Of course. But to the rule of wing walking, we may do it a stage a a time.
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#41
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 02:23
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Is ULA planning continued use of the Atlas V solids with its new launch vehicle?
Yes.
It is clear to us that the versatility afforded by differing SRM configurations is a benefit to our customers.
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#42
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 02:30
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Can you give a status update for ULA's Integrated Vehicle Fluids program?
IVF is a very exciting technology we continue to pursue. In addition to our internal R&D, we have NASA funding and are racking up lots of time on the IC engine that's the heart of the system. It integral to our ACES design.
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#43
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 02:39
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Thank you for answering questions Dr. Sowers.
You may not be able to share much about it, but I'd be very interested to hear anything you can say about the evolution of ULA launch vehicles that will be using this engine. Is this the beginning of a common launch vehicle family?
Congratulations on starting a new program and good luck as well working with Boeing on CCtCap.
As I said earlier, our vehicle plan will be revealed later in the year. Overall we intend to offer more capability for less money at the same (world's best) reliability.
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#44
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 02:41
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Will the switch to BE-4 methane engines enable later versions of Atlas to be reusable?
Maybe
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#45
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 02:49
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What kind of various flight configurations will the new LV feature?
The genius of the EELV program was the creation of families of vehicles that address a wide spectrum of requirements. We intend to maintain that philosophy.
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#46
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 02:52
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Will the redesigned Launch Vehicle(s) be known by a new name, other than Atlas 5?
Ha! I'm anticipating a very emotional debate on naming. Suggestions welcome. I kind of liked DAVE...
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#47
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 02:57
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What potential synergies, if any, do you see between the Blue Origin/ULA partnership decision and other programs, such as DARPA XS-1? Does this decision better position BO/ULA as a more attractive prospect in relation to, or even to potentially take the lead in any other potential programs?
No direct connection to XS-1. But like I said earlier, this is just the beginning for the Blue/ULA partnership.
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#48
by
rayleighscatter
on 21 Sep, 2014 02:59
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Is the new vehicle planned to have its own new pad or will an existing ULA pad be modified for it?
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#49
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 03:00
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Are you planning on the same payload to GTO as Atlas or larger?
Larger. More capability for lower cost.
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#50
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 03:08
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Will ULA also use the Blue Origin BE-3 engine for the upper stage, or will there be an open competition for the upper stage engine?
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We are excited about the BE-3 which is completing certification as we speak. But we have a lot of upper stage engine options including XCOR and RL-10. An embarrasement of riches.
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#51
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 03:10
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Thanks for doing this!
What are the expected pad modifications required to support this new family of launch vehicles?
Obviously, we have to add LNG fueling capability to our pads. Other than that, not much.
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#52
by
Nindalf
on 21 Sep, 2014 03:47
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The genius of the EELV program was the creation of families of vehicles that address a wide spectrum of requirements. We intend to maintain that philosophy.
So is the idea that in this next generation of vehicles, one vehicle family will still belong more to Boeing, and one to Lockheed Martin, particularly when it comes to selling services to non-USG customers?
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#53
by
M_Puckett
on 21 Sep, 2014 03:54
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Could this new vehicle ultimately lead to a consolidation of the lines?
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#54
by
Darkseraph
on 21 Sep, 2014 04:28
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Will this be a tap-off cycle engine like the BE-3?
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#55
by
TrevorMonty
on 21 Sep, 2014 06:12
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Sorry about the Blue Origin acronym, wasn't done intentionally, edited where possible.
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#56
by
DJPledger
on 21 Sep, 2014 06:57
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Will this be a tap-off cycle engine like the BE-3?
No, BE-4 will be ORSC.
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#57
by
strangequark
on 21 Sep, 2014 07:37
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Do you have any insight that you can share into the trades that led to the choice of oxidizer rich versus fuel rich staged combustion for the BE-4?
As for names, I humbly submit Zeus. He was the successor to Atlas, and the other Titans. In addition, he was the god of thunder; essentially the Greek version of Thor. A bit roundabout, but hopefully a decent homage to the lineage of your current lineup.
Just to reiterate, thank you so much for contributing your time in answering all of our questions.
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#58
by
Zed_Noir
on 21 Sep, 2014 07:45
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So where will the production line of the new launch vehicle be located if it's been decided?
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#59
by
Nick Simeonoff
on 21 Sep, 2014 07:49
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What is the targeted specific impulse of BE-4?
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#60
by
Ludus
on 21 Sep, 2014 14:23
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Does this program take the place of a program to build the RD-180 in the US which might be expected to produce a vehicle with real continuity with current Atlas in less time?
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#61
by
PahTo
on 21 Sep, 2014 16:04
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Dr. Sowers,
You've already answered my questions--thanks a ton(ne) for making yourself available!
Exciting times indeed...
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#62
by
Arb
on 21 Sep, 2014 20:56
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Here's the image of the BE-4 test facility that Dr Sowers mentioned.
Can anyone spot the pickup truck?
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#63
by
Ronsmytheiii
on 21 Sep, 2014 21:38
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Thank you Dr Sowers for taking the time to answer my question, I am really looking forward to seeing IVF and the BE-4 in flight!
Also circled the truck below
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#64
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 22:10
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Dr. Sowers, thank you for taking the time. Hope things are progressing well.
One question, the current engine compartment (boat tail?) is a smaller diameter than the current Atlas V tanks (but I think the same diameter as the prior Atlas III tanks), will the new vehicle (Does it have an official name?) use a similar design and be able to use the exist mobile launch platform and VIF without modification (even if larger, say 5m tanks are used)?
Again, thank you
We expect modifications to the VIF and MLP which are under evaluation.
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#65
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 22:12
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Is ULA's intention to create a common booster core that would serve, or replace, both Atlas and Delta?
- Ed Kyle
Those details will be forthcoming later this year.
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#66
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 22:16
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Will the composite tankage presently being tested for SLS by Boeing and NASA be used on a rocket based upon the ULA/Blue Origin engines?
We are aware of the composite tank work ongoing at BA. But as of now we don't plan to incorporate that technology in our next generation launch system.
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#67
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 22:20
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Blue Origin are planning their own RLV based on BE4. Will they fly it from ULA launch facilities?
PS congratulations on ULA's new exciting future.
That question is better asked of Blue.
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#68
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 22:23
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How throtteable will be the BE-4 on the new Atlas X ?
It will have a throttle range similar to the RD-180.
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#69
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 22:26
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Will the next generation ULA launch vehicle also get a new upper stage or a RL-10 replacement?
We are studying various options, but will most likely use our existing upper stages initially.
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#70
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 22:30
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How are you planning to handle this new vehicle re: ground systems with the minimum amount of disruption to the existing Atlas V pads at VAFB and CCAFS? I'm thinking in terms of schedule impacts.
The details are being worked out, but the objetive will be to minimize impacts to the ongoing manifest.
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#71
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 22:34
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Will the new launch vehicle be reusable, or designed with reusability in mind?
Thank you!
The BE-4 is certainly being designed to be reusable. And although we are studying reusability concepts, this next booster will be expendable.
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#72
by
Jim
on 21 Sep, 2014 22:36
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So the transition to the new vehicle might be similar to Atlas II to Atlas V (without the Atlas III step)?
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#73
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 22:43
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The USAF recently issued a RFI looking for a replacement engine for the RD-180. The RFI calls for "a replacement engine with similar performance characteristics to currently used engines, alternative configurations that would provide similar performance (such as a multiple engine configuration) to existing EELV-class systems, and use of alternative launch vehicles for EELV-class systems." What do you see as the potential impact of this RFI and possibly RFP for ULA and your recent announcement with Blue Origin? The AF may be looking at a national engine/rocket competition that includes Blue Origin but also SpaceX and wants the new engine to be available commercial to any of the US rocket builders.
ULA submitted a response to the AF RFI and will participate in the industry day and one-on-one sessions this week. The response by the AF to our partnership with Blue has been extremely favorable so far.
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#74
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 22:51
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See if I can squeeze this in...Will this engine be baselined for Boeing's Commercial Crew Contracts?
No. We plan to use our existing Atlas V to support launch of Boeing's CST-100 through the CCtCap phase. Future plans will include human rating the new system.
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#75
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 23:02
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How does this work integrates with the Common Upper Stage and IVF? Does BE-3 is a possible option for it or you're thinking more of EELV/CUS and then BE-4 boosters/CUS and then a possible BE-4 Boosters / New Upper Stage? A sort of Tick-tock strategy.
We continue to work on ACES and IVF as I wrote in a previous answer. We will most likely start with the BE-4 booster and then work the upper stage as a senond step. The BE-3 is certainly an option for ACES.
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#76
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 23:03
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Is the new vehicle planned to have its own new pad or will an existing ULA pad be modified for it?
We will modify existing pads.
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#77
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 23:07
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The genius of the EELV program was the creation of families of vehicles that address a wide spectrum of requirements. We intend to maintain that philosophy.
So is the idea that in this next generation of vehicles, one vehicle family will still belong more to Boeing, and one to Lockheed Martin, particularly when it comes to selling services to non-USG customers?
To be determined.
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#78
by
Apollo100
on 21 Sep, 2014 23:09
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Thanks for taking the time to answer these questions. Very enlightening!!!
Did you guys ever consider a new engine from Rocketdyne?
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#79
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 23:27
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Do you have any insight that you can share into the trades that led to the choice of oxidizer rich versus fuel rich staged combustion for the BE-4?
As for names, I humbly submit Zeus. He was the successor to Atlas, and the other Titans. In addition, he was the god of thunder; essentially the Greek version of Thor. A bit roundabout, but hopefully a decent homage to the lineage of your current lineup.
Just to reiterate, thank you so much for contributing your time in answering all of our questions.
The trades that led to the specific design of the BE-4 are Blue proprietary. Ask them. They are very forthcoming
Zeus is cool.
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#80
by
M_Puckett
on 21 Sep, 2014 23:30
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Titan is up for grabs again!
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#81
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 23:33
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So where will the production line of the new launch vehicle be located if it's been decided?
Blue and ULA are looking at a number of options.
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#82
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 23:42
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What is the targeted specific impulse of BE-4?
It is Blue proprietary. But we are being pretty conservative to start with.
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#83
by
georgesowers
on 21 Sep, 2014 23:53
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Does this program take the place of a program to build the RD-180 in the US which might be expected to produce a vehicle with real continuity with current Atlas in less time?
We are still keeping a number of contingency options alive, but the BE-4 is definitely plan A.
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#84
by
e of pi
on 22 Sep, 2014 00:02
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Dr. Sowers: I don't actually have a question that hasn't already been asked, but I did want to post to join others in thanking you for conducting this Q&A here. I think this is a very interesting announcement, and I'm looking forward to seeing more about the vehicle BE-4 will be used on!
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#85
by
georgesowers
on 22 Sep, 2014 00:11
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So the transition to the new vehicle might be similar to Atlas II to Atlas V (without the Atlas III step)?
Not really. I think of it as being pretty similar to AII to AIII. Actually somewhat more modest since we're probably not going to alter Centaur in the firt step.
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#86
by
georgesowers
on 22 Sep, 2014 00:23
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Thanks for taking the time to answer these questions. Very enlightening!!!
Did you guys ever consider a new engine from Rocketdyne?
Of course. The AR-1 is technically a very viable solution. But our trade study included both technical and business considerations.
Aerojet Rocketdyne remains a very important member of our team.
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#87
by
georgesowers
on 22 Sep, 2014 00:24
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Titan is up for grabs again!
I started my career on Titan.
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#88
by
Llian Rhydderch
on 22 Sep, 2014 02:58
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Dr. Sowers,
I, too, have found that my questions have been asked, and very straightforwardly answered, by your super helpful responses. Thanks.
It is really great to see ULA responding to the new spaceflight reality that is present in 2014 and see you aiming for a lower-cost but high-reliability launch solution!
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#89
by
arachnitect
on 22 Sep, 2014 05:14
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So where will the production line of the new launch vehicle be located if it's been decided?
Blue and ULA are looking at a number of options.
I'm a little surprised the answer to this one wasn't simply "Decatur." What else is an option, MAF?
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#90
by
Prober
on 22 Sep, 2014 14:42
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So the transition to the new vehicle might be similar to Atlas II to Atlas V (without the Atlas III step)?
Not really. I think of it as being pretty similar to AII to AIII. Actually somewhat more modest since we're probably not going to alter Centaur in the firt step.
The Common Centaur for current Atlas V & Delta IV is still on track in the in term, or no? Centaur has such historical value in Rocket History. Even today many of its manufacturing techniques are still unknown in the contest of building one from start to finish. May we look forward to video documentation (volunteers
) before changes are made to ACES etc. ?
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#91
by
Jim
on 22 Sep, 2014 16:16
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1. The Common Centaur for current Atlas V & Delta IV is still on track in the in term, or no?
2. Centaur has such historical value in Rocket History. Even today many of its manufacturing techniques are still unknown in the contest of building one from start to finish. May we look forward to video documentation (volunteers ) before changes are made to ACES etc. ?
1. It isn't a common Centaur. It is a common upper stage.
2. They are known and documented already.
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#92
by
wannamoonbase
on 22 Sep, 2014 16:56
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Dr. Sowers,
What is the level of purity of the LNG, does H2S have to be removed?
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#93
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Lee Jay
on 22 Sep, 2014 17:19
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I want to assume I know the answer to this, but you know what they say about assuming.
So, would you expect a future upper stage replacement to remain LH2/LOX (a "high energy" stage) or would you consider an LNG upper stage? I understand why an RP1/LOX upper stage isn't the best for GEO/Earth departure missions, but with LNG being in the middle between RP1 and LH2, I'm wondering if such a thing is back on the table or not.
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#94
by
rayleighscatter
on 22 Sep, 2014 21:26
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Is the new vehicle planned to have its own new pad or will an existing ULA pad be modified for it?
We will modify existing pads.
First I should say thanks a lot for coming and answering all of these!
As a follow up, does this mean ULA intends for a pad to support multiple vehicles? And if I may... which pad(s)?
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#95
by
Ronsmytheiii
on 23 Sep, 2014 02:02
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Will the redesigned Launch Vehicle(s) be known by a new name, other than Atlas 5?
Ha! I'm anticipating a very emotional debate on naming. Suggestions welcome. I kind of liked DAVE...
How about the Blue Atlas-Thor, the BAT!
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#96
by
Proponent
on 23 Sep, 2014 08:48
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Since we're on the topic of names, could I ask how the Atlas V became the Atlas V without there ever having been an Atlas IV?
EDIT: "and Atlas IV" -> "an Atlas IV"
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#97
by
edkyle99
on 23 Sep, 2014 14:23
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Since we're on the topic of names, could I ask how the Atlas V became the Atlas V without there ever having been and Atlas IV?
Lockheed Martin had Atlas III and Titan IV. The next rocket became "V", and some consideration might have been given to naming it "Titan V", but "Atlas" won out, allowing the name to symbolize a merger of the two product lines, which is really what Atlas V represents.
- Ed Kyle
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#98
by
R7
on 23 Sep, 2014 15:02
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Name suggestion: Since ULA is marriage between BA and LM and this would it's first own offspring
Juno V
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#99
by
robertross
on 23 Sep, 2014 15:50
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We should probably keep the name suggestions on a separate thread, so as not to muck up this excellent Q&A thread
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#100
by
Lar
on 23 Sep, 2014 16:11
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We should probably keep the name suggestions on a separate thread, so as not to muck up this excellent Q&A thread
(mod hat)
Yes please.
(amazing people hat) and what an awesome thread.... I wish ULA and Blue all the best in this... it's exactly the sort of thing that I had hoped might happen.
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#101
by
HIP2BSQRE
on 23 Sep, 2014 19:35
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The USAF recently issued a RFI looking for a replacement engine for the RD-180. The RFI calls for "a replacement engine with similar performance characteristics to currently used engines, alternative configurations that would provide similar performance (such as a multiple engine configuration) to existing EELV-class systems, and use of alternative launch vehicles for EELV-class systems." What do you see as the potential impact of this RFI and possibly RFP for ULA and your recent announcement with Blue Origin? The AF may be looking at a national engine/rocket competition that includes Blue Origin but also SpaceX and wants the new engine to be available commercial to any of the US rocket builders.
ULA submitted a response to the AF RFI and will participate in the industry day and one-on-one sessions this week. The response by the AF to our partnership with Blue has been extremely favorable so far.
Follow up, what would happen if the AF/Congress picked another engine to replace the RD-180 that belong to say SpaceX. Would ULA have to use the alternative engine selected by the govt?
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#102
by
georgesowers
on 23 Sep, 2014 22:12
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So where will the production line of the new launch vehicle be located if it's been decided?
Blue and ULA are looking at a number of options.
I'm a little surprised the answer to this one wasn't simply "Decatur." What else is an option, MAF?
You're right. The vehicle will be built in Decatur. I was thinking engine when I answered.
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#103
by
georgesowers
on 23 Sep, 2014 22:15
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So the transition to the new vehicle might be similar to Atlas II to Atlas V (without the Atlas III step)?
Not really. I think of it as being pretty similar to AII to AIII. Actually somewhat more modest since we're probably not going to alter Centaur in the firt step.
The Common Centaur for current Atlas V & Delta IV is still on track in the in term, or no? Centaur has such historical value in Rocket History. Even today many of its manufacturing techniques are still unknown in the contest of building one from start to finish. May we look forward to video documentation (volunteers ) before changes are made to ACES etc. ?
The common Centaur idea has transitioned to ACES. The secret sauce manufacturing techniques used for Centaur are common to ACES which contribute to its outstanding mass fraction.
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#104
by
georgesowers
on 23 Sep, 2014 22:21
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Dr. Sowers,
What is the level of purity of the LNG, does H2S have to be removed?
Commercial grade LNG is >95% methane. The fuel is being used as is.
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#105
by
georgesowers
on 23 Sep, 2014 22:22
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I want to assume I know the answer to this, but you know what they say about assuming.
So, would you expect a future upper stage replacement to remain LH2/LOX (a "high energy" stage) or would you consider an LNG upper stage? I understand why an RP1/LOX upper stage isn't the best for GEO/Earth departure missions, but with LNG being in the middle between RP1 and LH2, I'm wondering if such a thing is back on the table or not.
We're not looking at LNG upper stages at this time.
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#106
by
georgesowers
on 23 Sep, 2014 22:26
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Is the new vehicle planned to have its own new pad or will an existing ULA pad be modified for it?
We will modify existing pads.
First I should say thanks a lot for coming and answering all of these!
As a follow up, does this mean ULA intends for a pad to support multiple vehicles? And if I may... which pad(s)?
That is a possibility.
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#107
by
georgesowers
on 23 Sep, 2014 22:28
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Since we're on the topic of names, could I ask how the Atlas V became the Atlas V without there ever having been and Atlas IV?
Lockheed Martin had Atlas III and Titan IV. The next rocket became "V", and some consideration might have been given to naming it "Titan V", but "Atlas" won out, allowing the name to symbolize a merger of the two product lines, which is really what Atlas V represents.
- Ed Kyle
Ed's answer is pretty close. But Ed's story is more logical than I remember.
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#108
by
georgesowers
on 23 Sep, 2014 22:31
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The USAF recently issued a RFI looking for a replacement engine for the RD-180. The RFI calls for "a replacement engine with similar performance characteristics to currently used engines, alternative configurations that would provide similar performance (such as a multiple engine configuration) to existing EELV-class systems, and use of alternative launch vehicles for EELV-class systems." What do you see as the potential impact of this RFI and possibly RFP for ULA and your recent announcement with Blue Origin? The AF may be looking at a national engine/rocket competition that includes Blue Origin but also SpaceX and wants the new engine to be available commercial to any of the US rocket builders.
ULA submitted a response to the AF RFI and will participate in the industry day and one-on-one sessions this week. The response by the AF to our partnership with Blue has been extremely favorable so far.
Follow up, what would happen if the AF/Congress picked another engine to replace the RD-180 that belong to say SpaceX. Would ULA have to use the alternative engine selected by the govt?
Unlikely. The USG can't really dictate HW choices to private companies.
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#109
by
Lar
on 23 Sep, 2014 23:09
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Reminder, one question per post, one post per member. People have been doing followups, and you're trading on Dr. Sowers' great kindness in choosing to answer those. Let's not overstay our welcome. Thanks.
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#110
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Damon Hill
on 23 Sep, 2014 23:32
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Will natural gas be delivered to the launch site via pipeline and tested/purified/liquified locally, or delivered as LNG via tank truck as LH2 is delivered to KSC/Vandenberg?
I know that LOX is manufactured semi-locally at KSC (my sister lives about two miles from the dedicated plant). Raw ingredients are electricity and air--what could be simpler? Nitrogen and other gases (except helium, of course) would be obtained simultaneously via cryogenic fractional distillation. There are turnkey systems, even powered by diesel engines, to do this sort of thing.
I could see a methane launch facility taking pipeline natural gas and running a complete propellant/pressurant operation of their own, including facility electrical power, powered entirely by the gas. It might be a cheaper overall option given the abundance and lower price of natural gas these days. SpaceX seems to like being tightly integrated, and it might work well for their Boca Chica facility if it goes methane in the next decade or so.
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#111
by
baldusi
on 24 Sep, 2014 00:25
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I have already posted a question. I just want to say how amazing is this opportunity. I want to express my deepest thanks to Dr. Sowers.
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#112
by
deltaV
on 25 Sep, 2014 05:18
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Do ULA's agreements with Boeing, Lockheed, FTC and/or the Air Force limit its options in new launch vehicle development? For example I've heard that ULA cannot develop reusable vehicles; is that right?
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#113
by
dror
on 25 Sep, 2014 20:34
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Atlas has it's perfect record and timelines.
The new vehicle will be more capable and more affordable than the Atlas 5 but will have no record other than ULA's reputation.
Do you expact it to be able to compete in the free market, as it is expected to be 4 years from now?
